:winkwink: :thumbsup

And others who want to keep their day job, there is a reason some of us use a different name and it is because we have other lives.

These are the sort of photographs I enjoy taking...

http://www.cinemaerotique.com/pp/01.jpg
http://www.cinemaerotique.com/pp/02.jpg
http://www.cinemaerotique.com/pp/03.jpg
http://www.cinemaerotique.com/pp/04.jpg
http://www.cinemaerotique.com/pp/05.jpg
http://www.cinemaerotique.com/pp/06.jpg

They are of course just support materials to our films such as

Barbie's washday

Here you can see examples of lighting and editing, the acting pretty lame though.

Heh I know - this is why I wear a green coat and am a cartoon. :)

Hey man, we should do some cross-promotion for this site:

Barbiland

:thumbsup:thumbsup

(Cool video!)

You gotta love Paul :)

Paul, don't break your arm patting yourself on the back. You're always critiquing everyone's else's photos but the model on camera right has her right eye in darkness, an amateurish mistake if ever there was one.

I'm betting he ignores that comment.

Sick thread..
Do you guys really have time and will to write all these HUGE posts? Oh Lord.. I'm too lazy to even READ that shit

there is a direct relation between number of words posted on gfy and monthly income.

check the long-winded fuckers on here. their money is way down.

gotta go...

But Jim! This is not a mistake, this is on purpose! Anything you will tell him about his pictures that is "amateurish" was actually CAREFULLY planned. ;)

True, can't get everything right shooting on film.

It's the looks in the eyes that sells porn.

Well not true. Her right eye isn't in darkness, it can be seen so in a shadow.

I have one telling me I don't use lights properly to create mood, then when I do with hi lites and a little shadow others tell me it's wrong.

Can't win. LOL

It seems Cherry might be a full time Cinematographer. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0285779/

So need to see some of his porn video work.

Stand by what I said about his stills, they are not as good as he makes out.

Still wondering if his full time job is in shooting.

some sexy pics

I'll buy you a pass for his site if things are tight still Paul

OK then, will wait for you to do that and email it to me.

Or are you lying?

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If you really can't afford it Paul, sure. Just post saying "I can't afford to pay for a pass to a porn site and need Damian's money" and it's as good as yours, love.

xoxox

"I can't afford to pay for a pass to a porn site and need Damian's money"

And just to inform you I tried your idea of changing the email. Will inform you of the details.

OK then. You really have no shame, do you?

What's your email address?

No need to thank me.

Oh wait, you didn't.

Shadows are not a problem in photography, in fact light tells a story, builds atmosphere, drama ....


http://www.segalportraits.com/show-i...ning-by-candle

http://www.boerner.net/jboerner/wp-c...pelaarster.jpg

The obsession with flat shadow-less lighting was probably for the color printing process back in the day.

But now we can have dramatic expressionistic lighting and photography, yes it allowed, the "rules" Markham talks about are very rarely enforced if ever, only result in a minor fine.
in fact I can find no reference to them in Langford's "Basic Photography" or his "Advanced Photography" . I hear they are mentioned in a rare and difficult to obtain e-book.

paul_eva at paulmarkham.com you will need to approve your email address at Spam Arrest.

Why should I be ashamed?

Waiting to see how well it works first.

Because you are asking me for 30 bucks.

Sad day.


a) You could have thanked me for doing the work in the first place, regardless of the success. And Paul, look at your mail, then look at mine. Even you know mine will do better. Trolling or no trolling.

b) How are you measuring its success? Didn't seem like you've got a set up ready to split test seeing as a) you asked me to 'programme' you some email software and b) you constantly say split testing is a ridiculous waste of time?

I repeat my offer of buying you a month on ynot mail so you can actually count and track opens and clicks, something I doubt you are set up to do.

Let me know.
D

sat bump for this thread.

Not if you help me out. For you it will be a great day.
Facing the plight we are facing of being penniless I can only hope someone like you will help me out.

Still not got the login/pass.


Thank you for the idea.

We only mail out from Newsletter@ we don't use unknown email addresses to send out the updates. So not taking you up on this offer.

Split testing a tour is simply tweaking results. If after 12 years of misleading, over inflating and down right lying to customers anyone thinks that changing the tour is going to make a huge difference. Then they're grabbing at straws.

The change will often be negated by the cost and possibility of a new testing tour doing worse than the existing one.

The only way to reverse the slide in sales is to change the approach of this side of the porn industry. In that more traffic, usually gained by more free porn, and marketing will effect a customers decision in any way other than minor.

Also if you do achieve some marvelous converting tour, everyone will copy you. Therefore the little gain is lost and the exercise needs to be started again.

Tours have become duplicated, cloned and often little to distinguish one from the next.

The only way to change a buyers decisions now is to show him something that's not on every other site and can't be achieved by tweaking or changing a tour.

I realise as a marketing man you don't have the ability to do that and need to rely on convincing people that "testing" tours sprucing emails and getting the right keywords and color join buttons will effect the business in some great way.

Truth is we've had 12 years of "Traffic is King" and "Marketing Gurus" and sales have been declining per 1,000 surfers since day one. Today the industry is hemorrhaging money. Some big sites are picking up from those getting out. but the industry is in decline. If that's the result of 12 years of "Traffic is King" and "Marketing Gurus". Then why should anything they do change it?

Another tour that misleads or over inflates the customers expectations of the site, leads to another surfer on a free porn site.

The situation today is can the majority of the industry spend the money to effect the change that's needed?

The cost of a marketing man is far less than the cost of really good content, even in the good days of online porn few could really afford it. Or had the business sense to work out how to get great content, in many niches, for free.

You're welcome. See, that wasn't too hard.

Good god man. I already explained this to you, as did The Doc.

You have a DISPLAY NAME and a REPLY TO ADDRESS. The display name is what appears in the FROM field. The REPLY TO is what email address will get the mail if they hit reply? Right?

OK?

You get that bit?

Cool.

What I am suggesting is you change the DISPLAY NAME to Paul Markham. I am not suggesting you try and mislead anyone with fake names. Is that clear?

I also am offering to buy YOU a month on YNOT mail so you can split test properly and prove that my mails are better. This, again, is not about DECEIVING anyone. It is about using a professional email solution to deliver your mail and test it. You can opt to send it from newsletter@ of you wish. Mr professional advice would be to use Paul Markham rather than Newsletter, but whatever.

Does that make sense yet?

Yes. That is right. See, you *do* understand a little of online marketing!

So now you understand what I was offering, would you like it?

If not, how are you going to split test the emails? How do you measure open rates, hard bounces and clicks?

OK, get me this login/pass you promised then we can look into doing the split test on YNOT.

Email me.

one day ill read this thread....to be honest though from my skims every single one of you are correct and incorrect.

bump for today

true


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Very true.

The real question is down from where and to where?

I suspect if the truth were told 95% of people in porn have had a cut in income. Some can afford to sit back, retire and look on from the sidelines at what the "experts" did to an industry that was once dead easy to earn money at.

And chuckle at those who will have to find a new job soon.

Your business partner and wife for example :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

ya income goes down in a recession, and the porn business took an extra hit because porn surfers found free ways to get their kicks.

anybody who is suffering right now doesn't understand economics. there's a recession every decade. u gotta save and u gotta keep sailing into the wind.

the big question is whether webmasters are willing and able to make the changes necessary to stay in this business. it has completely changed in the last 2 years but desperate affiliates are still demanding fresh FHGs so they can submit daily. every sponsor knows that area of the business is now a dead end, but time is still being wasted on fresh affiliate tools.

meanwhile, the smarter sponsors have abandoned the affiliates and started marketing in the areas where they need to be.

now i am way over my word count for today so i have to take a shot..

The big questions are.

Is the downturn in porn anything or much to do with the recession?

If it is, will the old customers ever return?

Yes sponsors need to find new ways to promote their site. The cost of marketing a site the way it used to be done is not bearable. Some are closing their affiliates programs. Yes staying open. Are they suffering as much as some affiliates would like?

You're right the days of jumping to every affiliates wish are coming to an end.

Remember the rush for automated blogs? Today the complaint is there's not enough, they're not good enough and often not updated enough.

Those complaining aren't bright enough to realise. They're not profitable enough for many site. How long before Tube clips take the same hit? The rush of sponsors to give away hosted Tube clips seems to have slowed down.

The customer has been changing for longer than 2 years, it's just that the last 2 years the changing has really hit home. Whether the business can come up with a solution is still to be seen.

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a crackhead is always a crackhead.

girls need shoes and guys need porn.

a recession alters buying habits, not desires.

the question isn't "are they buying?", its "can u sell to them?"

That's a nice quote.

But are you? Are YOU selling porn and making good money, and when I say "good" I mean 7 figures a year? 'Cause I don't give a damn who you are...it's not easy selling something that is already free.

I have finally read this whole thread after 2 days returning to it. Its a lot of reading.

But I have learned something.:thumbsup
I now understand.

Great example of why this business is failing.

Crack and shoes aren't given away in bigger amounts than what's available to buy.

The question isn't "are they buying?", its "can YOU PRODUCE A PRODUCT THEY WILL BUY AND YOU CAN SELL TO THEM?"

Some always found selling porn very easy. Because they could work at a level few others could.

Today, the porn produced is at a level 10,000s can produce and selling is very very hard. Can someone afford to produce content that's good enough to turn this position around?

A few DVD companies still produce at a level online porn can't. In general they're having to cut back.

In the beginning and now, few online porn companies could afford to pay for good porn. So the line was "The online surfer wants amateur porn." Which meant "This is all we can afford to produce."

Someone recently asked me what it would of cost 5-10 years ago to get good content. This was my answer.

The question is always not what someone can produce it for. It's what that person can sell for. Like traffic, why send traffic to a site that pay 10% and converts/retains no better than any other site?

The same applies to content. Why would a good shooter work for less than he can sell for?

I read your advice on marketing. It was aimed at Ma & Pa sites doing it in their spare time. And probably always being a Ma & Pa operation working in their spare time. I was doing that 30 years ago. So maybe it will work for some today. Diffence was I was in a booming business. Not one sliding down a pole.

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