Youtube worked like a cashcow for me. Adulttubes have also generated some sales but faaar from the result I had with Youtube.

I wish free porn would go away so those that bash it could get a taste of what would happen if the mass attraction was gone with all the competition around and a few major players already here to suck up the volume.

fire up the betamax we're going back to 1985!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No let's just go back to the days before idiots like you thought giving the product away in great quantities, was the way to sell it.

The lunatics took over the asylum.

Post stupid quotes and sill pictures as obviously you're too stupid to get involved in this debate. It's above your pay scale. :1orglaugh

if i put a plastic bag over my computer screen will it stop the flow of free porn and return sales to how they were during the first world war?

I remember the days when people traded tapes, recorded them and gave them friends or when you could buy a 100 tapes for 1 penny, or when you could go get free previews of new movies, or when you could 'trade' porn legally in shops, oh the days of nothing for free, nothing super cheap... it's all gone.

Can you imagine the earnings if watching porn became mandatory?

Paul. I don't run paysites. Thought you knew that?

Anyway, glad to see you've admitted lying about having me on ignore. I'll add it to the list. Nice to see you again. And your awesome ideas.

I make blogs and concentrate on SE traffic, still works for me. If I make a tube I do one kinda like a blog anyway with good unique text and only small vid clips. If the content is good enough and you niche It they will buy.

could you imagine the sales if the navy seals took out the tube sites and obama passed a law that all porn sites had to buy content from paul markham's content store?

Can it bring in a few sales, sure.

Is it worth decimating the entire industry and your own business for those couple of sales? No fucking way.

Both myself and all of my male friends (8 of them I discussed this with) used to be porn consumers. We've discussed this free porn issue in detail as I've tried to understand their brains, to maybe better my business. EVERY ONE OF US no longer pays for porn and instead watches it for free on tube sites. However, some of us do pay for live cam shows. But recorded porn, nope. Have not had to in years. That is 8 out of 8 guys who were at one time porn consumers.

While some of you may think you're doing well with them and getting some sales, what you are losing is 10 fold. Maybe more.

1. I could not have made anywhere near that much without hosted galleries and promotional material Paul. As an affiliate I had to have a traffic draw. My traffic draw was using promotional materials provided to me by the paysites. Those paysites included HUSTLER (since you like to bring up the old magazine companies). I still get a check every month from LFP Inc.

2. No I did not make millions "giving away free porn". I made millions providing a SAMPLE of scenes that were provided to me legally to PROMOTE the site that the scene came from.
Piracy STEALS content and deliberately tries to remove any mention of the site it is stolen from in order to sell non-porn related items like dating and cams.

Don't know why you can't see that.

Just made another tube sale, wheeyy!

Robbie:

I am currently spending thousands on an ad for several of the biggest tube sites. Guess WHAT? 7k+ uniques from the ad (killer CTR, that ad) and 0 join form hits. Hahaha! You read that right: ZERO. So I am taking a bath on my ad buy BUT I decided to do it for the following reasons:

My site ErosExotica DOES "kill" with tube traffic; ppl watch a clip and WHAMMO! Mad sales. So.....

Let's try actually ADVERTISING on the tubes! yay! Right? WRONG. Zero sales from the ad in four days. ZERO. Ad runs another ten days so will let you know if things pick up but I'm not counting on it.

I'm sending clicks to my biggest and best paysite, the one that is making me and my partners rich, and I can't get a SINGLE JOIN FORM HIT? Wow. Robbie is, therefore, correct.

Perhaps I need to design a better landing page that works better for banner ads (and I'm working on that now) but I doubt that will help. Sure, ppl watch a video then buy but apparently thousands and thousands of ppl can click an ad and....not even consider buying. Absolutely wild but is it shocking? No.

i give myself credit for even attempting such lunacy and have learned (and paid for) an invaluable lesson: spend your dough building your OWN traffic sources.

Buying random banner spots at tubes for paysites will only work if you're selling some sick or very extreme shit. I'm pretty sure that is the reason why brazzers cut their flash banners promo vids with the most extreme action were surfers see violence and humiliation of women - that's about the only thing that may entice them to join. I do not think they're joining brazzers in droves though, most likely that's a numbers game for them, branding and eliminating of competition.

And even with the extreme and unusual stuff, you only have 2-3 months until surfers get used to the idea of your site and no longer join in any substantial numbers to justify your banner spot price. At least I haven't seen any paysite that lasted more than 3 months advertising at tubes - aside from brazzers/mofos of course, but they're the whole different story.

At least you're trying and will know for yourself if it works for your content or not.

Please let us know what the end result is when you're finished with the ads. I know a few guys claim to do well from tube traffic with certain types of content, but they can probably be counted on one hand. I've also heard of a group of African prostitutes who they think have built some resistance to HIV and for some reason are not catching it even though they are having unprotected sex with some HIV+ customers.

It's a crazy world.

Haha! Will do! Maybe a paysite devoted to those African prostitutes would sell.....nah.

I just tested the Join pages for the ad spot, everything's working. LOL Great - I mean, oh shit.

Here's the Tour:

http://www.erosexotica.com/ad/index1.html

The ONLY "paysite" that I've seen, after clicking/refreshing pages on the 5 biggest tubes literally hundreds of times over the past few days, is an EXGF site. Great, just great. the ONLY paysite is a fucking ex-girlfriend site. OMG.

The above tour, BTW, is the landing page that does great with tube traffic. No shit.

(this site will be added to my AP in about 2 weeks, announcement forthcoming)

The $226 you made, did having those limited clips on Pornhub take money out of your pocket? If the answer is no, then the tubes made you money... not a lot, but it still made you money you wouldn't have made over that time period.

I mean no offence to you as I respect your history in this industry, but if you can pull $250 a week from Pornhub and it doesn't affect your sales elsewhere, then why would you not take that? Unless it is having a huge effect across your other sales then being on there is worthwhile. If you put the video up and you all of a sudden dropped 20% of your daily sales then its hurting you and you stop doing it, but if its sales outwith your reach and not affecting your day to day sales then you just found a new money maker.

That is how I look at it anyway.

But look at it this way...

Imagine how many guys didn't join because they could just rub one off right there to those full scene clips?

I'd guess there is a reason the tubes are running mostly penis pills and cam site ads on their site.

It wasn't for a week. That's the TOTAL for 8 months. And 5 million hits on the vids from people SEARCHING for Claudia-Marie :(

100 sales down the tubes :(

I knew you would say exactly that :1orglaugh Do you even know what a campaign is? :1orglaugh

You said over and over how 1:100 is now 1:1000 and I posted stats from a banner on a tube with long videos that does BETTER than 1:100 consistently. AND I even posted the CTR which is 5.79% which is very fucking decent for a banner even if it wasn't on a tube site. Here I will spell it out for you: nearly 6 out of 100 visitors to the site click the banner and out of every 100 of those that clicked 1 buy a membership. And yeah I use imgur because it's a quick drag and drop upload to post, plus I wouldn't want a couple small images making me go over my tiny bandwidth limit :1orglaugh good one retard. You're really picking at little shit like that trying to hold and argument?

Have you ever even been an affiliate before? Have you ever been involved with a tube in any way? I don't try to tell you what you're doing wrong in selling your content.

And you think some magical law would hide porn away in members areas? Yeah lets do that so all the tubes move to some shit country with no laws and hog even more of the traffic. GENIUS!

I agree with you that everyone is giving away more and more free and the end result does not look good, but I don't see anyone getting together to do anything about it. Other than that problem, I have more than proved you wrong on many points. Are you so stubborn you can't admit when you're wrong?

Is this guy really going senile or something?

In his mind I guess we should also start a fight against showing previews before movies when you goto the theater. They're giving away plots left and right!

On banners next to videos, I average anywhere from 2%-7%, sometimes as high as 20% on a site with very low traffic. Those banners sponsors make for affiliates to use are garbage as far as CTR goes. If you want a high CTR just crop a nice image or something. No need to have a flashing banner with a bunch of fancy text and crap, such an obvious ad, you have to blend in with the page.

You've never seen those cards gas stations give you to use and get free gas for pumping only at their stations?

Nice tour. Try not advertising on just the biggest tubes. Just a guess but I'm sure the traffic blows. :2 cents:

YOU GET MY VOTE ON THIS ONE :warning

Nice way to put it.

You can't sell something that you can get for free PERIOD.

Of course you can do money with Tube sites but not selling memberships. At least not like in the "good ol' days"

Traffic is traffic. Lots of things you can do with it:winkwink:

Huh ?

Where do you get that info from ?

Other sites are now stealing tube traffic...

Or write Monica Lewinsky/Bill Clinton sex scandal and get listed on AltaVista and send traffic to Xpics :1orglaugh

I make a few bucks on mainstream tubes

True dat fine sire.
:thumbsup

Thanks, and yes you're right. LOL Crazy-good CTR for a giant tube, relatively speaking, but shitty sales thus far. :(

Your stats: are you talking about banners for cams and dating? Or paysites?

And are you suggesting advertising on smaller tubes instead of the biggies?
Great posts, BTW. :thumbsup

The word imagine means imagine. It obviously flew over your head what it was meant to mean. Good luck understanding the rest of this.

For many men viewing porn is a need. They are partly hooked to it. The idea of spending the money online spent in selling to them clearly shows how little the online guys understood about porn.

Porn is largely used as a visual aid to masturbation. It's because men need to see something to get stimulated and women can imagine it. Men would travel to Soho London from all over the Home Counties to buy porn under the counter, in States and countries where porn was illegal to be sold men would buy Playboy or Penthouse. Men sought out porn to buy before the Internet came along and removed that need.

Suddenly porn was delivered to their computer. Online porn's mistake was in thinking it had to be heavily sold. It never was, because it never needed to be. The actual idea that you need to throw tons of free porn and spend more than anything else on doing so at men to sell it is so fucked up it's laughable.

Yes I did. Sarcasm also seems to be beyond you. Adam does run paysites and however good or bad they are he's one or two steps up the ladder than you. You take the piss out of people who are so far above you it makes you look pitiful. Stick to jibing at people below you. Small list but it will hide your lack of achievements better.

You obviously have no clue how GFY works. Putting someone on Ignore is as easy as taking someone off ignore. :helpme

So you would of been one of those the industry didn't need and wouldn't of got a job here. Life sucks.

Actually that statement condemns you. If the sponsors hadn't of rushed to give away free porn. You wouldn't of needed free porn. You really don't think very widely.

Why is so much free porn needed by affiliates? Because there is so much free porn available and sales are in the 0.01% level. With just a text link and tours the surfer can't jerk off to, ratios would be in the 50% level. Traffic would be lower, sales would be sky high.

I know it is the way it is. Doesn't stop me pointing at the stupidity of it and the people who thought it was a great idea.

You got that check because by the time LFP came to the table affiliates were the barrier between the customer and the seller.

Giving away free samples = giving away free porn.
And by the time piracy was a big problem the consumer was taught not to pay for porn.

Piracy is a bad issue and believe me I've been anti piracy long before you came online. Ever heard of a guy called Steve Easton.

Great site http://www.erosexotica.com/index1.html

Well the sample at the top. Then all the free sites at the bottom are the same shit everyone else has. If online porn could afford the level of the Eros Exotica it would be in a far better shape. Doesn't have to be this style or niche, just this porn quality.

However it was fine when it was decimating offline porn.

Free porn, legal or not, is now biting the hand that feeds it.

POETIC JUSTICE.

Even those who made their living years ago throwing out free porn are screaming. :Oh crap

You forget the people who type in the URL of the watermark. Many people do type in the URL in stead of clicking a link or banner.

I also do it myself sometimes when I see an exciting weird clip, I check out the paysite of the tour. So watermarking does work if done properly. You must use a clear bright good looking watermark.

Also I only have experience with promoting BDSM content on tubes, so maybe it's different for other niches. But for BDSM content it works pretty well.

No.
Probably because I don't have any tube sites.

This from a sponsor clearly illustrates the harm "Traffic is King and the affiliates system has done to the business.

With hindsight no one but affiliates, and the few who moved on from being affiliates like Robbie, should be thinking they were in any way required to sell porn.

The entire logic of affiliates was flawed from the beginning. You didn't need them at all. You don't need 1,000s of people putting up a barrier between the porn buying sector and the porn selling sector. Having someone on a street corner with a sign pointing to a porn shop. Is fine, having him give out free samples and paying him 50% for every customer he sends is so fucking mad. Only online porn does it.

Making the task of doing this reliant on who could give out the most and best free porn, then archiving it. Is so fucking fucked up only those committing business suicide would contemplate it. Because it was inevitable to where it will go. More free porn than anyone could ever wish for and a sponsor think getting $226 from satisfying the needs of 5 million people as being good.

Even assuming Robbie is blowing up the 5 million and let's cut it down to 1,000 who really want Claudia-Marie. That's less than 10 joins in 1,000. Yes 0.01%. That in anyones book is fucked up. FUBAR.

And anyone who is stupid enough to think Tubes are the end game of giving porn away is as stupid as the guys who first thought of giving porn away to sell porn.

REMEMBER THIS;

SOMEONE WILL COME UP WITH A TOOL TO GIVE AWAY MORE FREE PORN BEFORE LONG.

Maybe then the Tube owners will be in here telling everyone how the new system is fucking up there business of giving away free porn. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Free porn = hundreds of millions of people looking at porn.

All paid porn = Tens of thousand people at a time looking, and still not everyone is buying.

If it was all paid, the industry would be much smaller, produce far less sales overall, and contain probably 75% less people - the Industry wouldn't have the volume to cover everyone. Free porn, DRIVES, the entire Industry, it is the entire Industry and without it.... EVERYONE here would be out of business.

Only idiots think free porn killed the Industry, straight up... if you think this, you're a fucking idiot.

My 14 year old nephew told me he and all his friends at school look at tube porn at just about every weekend party someone has.

So let me congratulate the winners there. :thumbsup


Don't be one of those webmasters who get caught up in the design and flash of a website. You only do so at your own peril and miss out on sales if that is how you gauge a good site.


:2 cents: Very well said.

Dang, that was a long read.