It's still good branding though. If 100 million people viewed your video and you tagged it right, plus you run a hard anti-torrent / DMCA program - if people like what they see, they will search for it again later and hopefully pay.

It's not a perfect strategy, but it's one I'd at least be willing to try.

:2 cents:

Jay...if you put a video up on Pornhub and it's on the first page for half a day...then yeah you'll get some branding. After that? You are getting people SEARCHING for your content (either by the name of the girl or the website) and then you're not getting any branding...you're just making money for Pornhub off your content at that point.

We are getting incredible results now from viral marketing. I would suggest you go that route with your new solo pornstar girl sites. Those girls are already stars. They don't need pornhub's "branding" (just like we don't need it).

Just set up some non-adult oriented facebook's for all of them and have them go in there and talk about everyday life.

It's like the movie "Inception". Trust me, the people will "discover" the girls and you will get more sales than pornhub could ever "send".
Just put up a facebook with NO adult images and have the girls work it.

Twitter and MySpace are still very good as well. And Twitter can be as adult as you want it. It's all about the actual girl interacting.
Check out this blog I made for CM using ONLY my cellphone to take pics of her: http://theclaudiamarieblog.com/

That is becoming pure gold for sales.
Don't let Pornhub use you again.

Not entirely different from what I put up last year LOL www.claudiamariefan.com

Need to get working on that one btw, remembered I had It when I saw yours now :)

Nice blog Nicky!
You should grab those pics I have on her blog and use them on yours too. They aren't "porn" at all and some of them are just of her cooking dinner, cleaning house, etc. Surfers eat that shit up. :)

Hmm thats nice, thanks. I need to change the theme of the blog though and make It non nude. That will fit the content better.

I'm finding that for blogs anyway...non-nude is best cause it gets them to click the link to the site to see her nude. :)
And I'm driving traffic to the blog from the social networks like twitter and facebook and myspace.

So it's almost like the surfer is on a "quest" and when they hit the tour page they are ready for more.

yep, It's good thinking for sure. :thumbsup

I hit up a bunch of program owners that are on there alreadys an the consensus of 100% of them is "barely worth your time"

If you run a scam dating site or penis pills, you could probably do well.

not much of a 'quest' on tube sites. It's all right there for them.

That was my experience as well Jay.

Thank you Robbie, that's all I have to say. :)

Think I'll hire an army of Facebook and Twitter posters for this.....

Hey Robbie - speaking of blogs, I would like to trade some links with my network of girls and yours - hit me up [email protected] or 62835707

Wow! You're right

I'm from London. So another fail.

When I visit a Mall that gives away the product I'm looking to for and then don't have to buy said product. Your example will be spot on.

Therefore the surfers control Manwin, they have to be on the top of their game or the surfers bugger off.

Only in your mind.

3. Kind of fits your definition of control. But the amount of testing they do is limited.

Still a clueless cunt I see. Well done on getting people to 'debate' with you though, fuck knows how you do it.

All you people do is argue...

best just to put the senile old idiot on ignore.

This threads still going?

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Still running a shitty paysite?

No wonder you need a lot of traffic to get a sign up.

Well done on scraping a living, fuck knows how you do it. :1orglaugh

Seriously Jel, stop showing up your short comings.

Here you go then.

300 Tubes sites with shit traffic.

Disclaimer: I run cam sites so I have no issue whatsoever from tubes content, which is not live or interactive, and so not stealing live chats customers, that I know of.

These content producer vs tube threads are always the biggest hit in gfy, esp if paul markham is inside, and he's always inside them.
Nathan in one line said he don't care if guys on tubes don't buy, as long as they're all in their tubes so under their control, rather than guys browsing other sites so in control of someone else.
That's true as if someone buys, they will buy something they see where they are browsing (which is tubes), if you have no traffic, sure you have no sales, is just so logic.

In April made a $10,000 flash anim champaign on pornhub + tube8 via trafficjunky, to feed a new site of mine which have the tube word in it, tubecamgirl.com , where I give free live content away, like does cam4 and myfreecams. A few guys who signed up from pornhub already spent $500+ each, so I would say tube traffic can convert on cams.
And there's those who don't purchase but keep on my site, so I control them, as Nathan said, and if they will ever buy something in future, they will from what they see in the site where they are. Note that the cam biz is quite odd to the point there is guys who see the girl put dildo in pussy and ass for free in tubecamgirl, then take her in private at $3 a minute keeping her clothed, to talk of their life story or so, this is not porn really.

So I can't say if there's money in porn, but for sure the porn controls lots of people who want to see it for free, then from there, they'll buy stuff, maybe cams or even prerecorded porn (this nathan says about brazzers ads, I can't verify as I have cams only).

My 2 euro cents

can i borrow a copy? :winkwink:

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I will take one as well.

You guys will have to wait until the real owners of Manwin give their front clown (Fabian) a copy so he can read what the company is doing himself. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Paul is from London? Explains everything. Ex-Pat Brits like Paul are generally clueless bastards. Look at them still trying to sell panties and knickers sites and bowing to German Queens as if Royalty still meant anything. It's all so clear now. :D

Yes I'm sure cam sites do well from Tube sites, you're not having your content used to feed another part of the industry.

I'm sure some do buy pre recorded porn from a Tube site. The question is numbers, ratios and what it's true cost is. 1 sale off a Tube site = 10 lost sales elsewhere.

When the Cam site model moves to being free, then you'll be screaming. When paysites wake up and realise they can give your product away for free or at a very low price, you'll be screaming. If paysites ever wake up. :Oh crap

Thanks for the compliment. Shows what a clueless bastard can make in porn. Probably more than you will and I definitely will last longer than you will. So where does that put you?

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That puts me in a nice $xxx.xxx income there Paulie. You? LOL

This message is hidden because Paul Markham is on your ignore list.

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ditto. it makes the board is so much better too...

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Paul who?

Thank you for the info.

It looks like every webmaster who's saying tubes didn't hurt the industry is making their money with cams, and that only shitty paysites and oversaturated content are the reasons for bad sales.

So since cams are also one of the main income streams of tubes, why doesn't everybody who is not into cams promote heavily myfreecams.com (no, it's not mine) ? It's a free cam site and is based on donations from the viewer only.

It would be a great test if these free cams will or will not lower overall cam sales and eventually it will cut the main income streams of tube sites. No income - no tubes.

All illegal tubes would be out of business within two weeks if not everyone would buy ad spots there and the handful of big sponsor programs that are promoted heavily on the biggest illegal tubes wouldn't pay them.

And since I'm not into cams I will start now to add links to myfreecams.com on all my seo pages. :winkwink:

fuck the tubes

Ah, the Paul Markham school of thinking.

Did you buy his ebook?

If my Auntie had bollocks she'd be my Uncle.

Are you into cams? Start to fear?

It's basic economy: no income = no business!

Do you think big illegal tubes would be still around if they wouldn't get paid by sponsors?

Nearly every sponsor program has the rule "put our ads only on sites with legal content". Stolen, copyright infringing content is illegal, so the sponsors are not binded to pay illegal tubes.

But as long as the big sponsors didn't get their asses together to stop paying illegal tubes I think it's a good start to cut their cam sales by promoting absolutely free cams.

good infos as always. based on that, i wonder if its prudent to remove videos from the tubes after they've seen a day on the homepage?


not to be a whore, but i mentioned this method in my short non-Markham-affiliated pdf:

PornCMS Guide to Solo Model Profits
https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1009157

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