It is one of those "the silence is deafening" situations.

http://www.bobcesca.com/images/shoelessjoe.jpg

https://youtube.com/watch?v=KQveng3Wxz8 :thumbsup

and why is anyone surprised?

it's happened. it's passed.

now watch all the broke homeless kids fight for the can of corn open and spilled on the ground.

if you're surprised, you're a moron.

Tell me this.

Does either Chris or Joan actually own an adult site? I'm guessing the answer is no. So, do you really think they care?

It's all about $$$.

No they just leach off of adult.

Time to boycott trafficshop

funny pic.

Subject: Advertising on JBM
"Please hit me up - I have a new client that wants to advertise."

OK this is getting silly.

I work for myself. I am a consultant. I do great work and bring revenue to whomever I work with. At AVN averaged 3-5 Million in revenue per year. At Trafficshop I am bringing in large volume buyers and managing their traffic buys to bring ROI and build loyal repeat users.

If I want to take on a new client its my perogative and right. I dont have to get permission from Julius, Baddog, Will76 or for that matter anyone.

I do however take advice from industry veterans that I respect.

My ICQ is always on, my phone is always on, my skype is always on. Someone wants to ask me a question - ask me directly.

I will not be flamed by keyboard warriors who live in their mothers basement.

I am here to make money, not drama.

And by the way I spoke with Sir KB (Kevin Blatt) and he assures me that he is not the fakenick that posted this thread. I am a bit dubious but he says that he is done with adult except in regards to his girlfriend Peaches (I think thats her). If so, respect Kevin... if not then I would have to say low blow.... "Not Winning".

Cheers!

I'm sure you realize that working for certain clients whom the industry is not fond of can harm future business.

you working for/consulting icm, joan, xxx?

True. People are just reading between the lines and making a bigger deal out of it because you keep admitting it without admitting it. :1orglaugh It's entertaining that you're asking for someone to get banned for telling the truth.

Sure of course.

But in the big picture... most everyone works with or has worked with lots of "grey" businesses. I can list 100 companies that fall under this "grey"area.

The industry is at a turning point right now. 2-3 companies control 80% of the traffic (i may be woirng on the numbers- but its close). These companies built themsleves by building shady tube sites, doing shady deals and generally just being shady.

If we dont get that the consumer is the lifeblood of this industry and dont turn our backs on the old addage "Theres a sucker born every minute" you will see more companies closing down, more people losing their jobs, and more webmasters flipping burgers at Micky D's.

I love this industry with a passion that most people dont. I like money, but first and foremost I am in this business becuase I feel like its a family. (Sure some of the family will stab you in the back first chance) but still a family.

I truly enjoy the way we work, the way we play and the way we interact. If someone doesnt want to be my friend for a business decision - more power to him or her. I know that my real friends will be there through thick and thin.

Sorry for my rant, but I cant sleep.

So are you (as a consultant) working for ICM Registry or another organization that is promoting the dotxxx tld? If you are, your reluctance to give a straight answer gives the impression that you are ashamed of working for them or afraid of the shit that will blow back in your face if the community finds out. If you aren't, why not say so?

Chris, you certainly do not have to ask for permission from anyone, to do what ever you want , specially not from me. You were asked a straight up question, by avoiding the straight up answer, you are creating a drama that is totally un necesarry :2 cents:

I am confused.

Have we seen a denial and an admittance in the same thread?

hmmmmmm , you talking about this ?
"If I want to take on a new client its my perogative and right"

So.... that's a cop out way of saying YES? :Oh crap

I don't live in my mothers basement and I'll tell you straight up that IF you are working for .XXX, you are without a doubt a scum bag and a huge cock sucker. :2 cents: And if you're not working for them, what I just said shouldn't bother you at all.

But if you are, at least grow some balls and be straight up about it. Spineless fucking sell outs.

thanks for the clarification.

Not sure how I got thrown in the mix, but if you asked permission from me I would be forced to think that you had suffered some kind of head injury since I would be the last person you should come to for permission to do anything.

But thanks for answering the original question. I do not know why you did not just give this response in the first place instead of calling for a ban. :2 cents:

Why is it a "low blow" for someone to post the truth? Just as its your prerogative to work with whomever you want, its the industry's right to boycott anyone you are promoting.

"I love this industry with a passion that most people dont. I like money, but first and foremost I am in this business becuase I feel like its a family. (Sure some of the family will stab you in the back first chance) but still a family."

Many in the industry (family), would consider you going to work for .xxx stabbing us in the back.

But would the Baddog have given him permission if he asked? :upsidedow

in my town, i am known as the "grey" rapist...

not really a full rapist, just a kind of "grey" one.... :thumbsup







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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

If someone is gonna push .XXX just come out and say it and if you're not, just come out and say it.

The secrecy on everything surrounding .XXX is what is weird to me. If a company wants people to buy .XXX so badly, wouldn't you come out and triumph that you have a solid salesperson working for them with years of experience at AVN, etc?

The more secrecy around this, the less .XXX will be trusted and harder to gain clients.

That's true for those of us who TRULY love the industry, yup.

However... there are a ton of people out there that don't have the industry's best interests in mind, as well as those not even IN the industry who sadly aren't going to get the memo.

it's so secretive because the motives are not genuine. the guise of "for the kids" is just for press. other than that, they don't really believe what they're slinging, because it's 100% bullshit.

this is a money funneling and everyone involved knows it.

and, fyi, dumas was involved from the very beginning.

A lot of people over the years have willingly exchanged their integrity for financial gain. Others simply refuse to sell it. (not specific to xxx... but the industry in general over the past 15 years)

Or do so in the dark...

Others again have close ties and involvement with questionable activities until they themselves get bent over and screwed hard...then act like the epitome of honesty and integrity

also present in this thread...

i don't know whether i should pull links or not.

Hard to not believe that after hearing him speak in Phoenix.

LOL guy cant even answer the question. He acts all "i dont really care what people think". But then does not answer lol.

Yeah he's been open about it for years...

last year in Vienna i was opposing .xxx at their presentation. when saying i never heard of anyone in favor of it, Dumas (sitting in the audience) raised his hand and lobbied heavily for it. i didn't know at this point he's an investor and he didn't reveal it to the audience either. there was also a second guy (dont know the name) who did the same. shitty move imo putting them as trojan horses in the audience, at least play with open cards :2 cents:

Appears to be the same for all those speaking out on behalf of .xxx, they have a financial interest to gain by supporting it. Go ahead and add Chris to that list. Where are the .xxx proponents that are completely objective and supporting it on substance alone?

here's them together...

http://www.fubarwebmasters.com/galle...501/z00270.jpg

God I love that pic LOL... the chicks' facial expressions say a lot.

Who farted?

There is so much secracy because not ONE of them will stand in front of all of you and say, "This won't help the kids and everyone knows it, I'm willing to fuck ALL of you for a few bucks."

They know they are doing the wrong thing, otherwise they would proudly admit to working with .XXX. Instead you have a bunch of cowards and cock suckers.

This won't help the kids and everyone knows it, I'm willing to fuck ALL of you for a few bucks.

You'll all kiss my ass when I post pics of my new Lambo.