another childlike comment from the endless source of stolen content-free oneliners.

you never support any of your whining petulance, or say anything that a freeper teenager wouldn't have said.

so explain to me why losing any one wealthy person or any thousand wealthy persons hurts this country, where there are hundreds of thousands happy to take their place, hungrier than them to create businesses?

anyone who would leave wasn't going to contribute anything anyway, and had already decided to fuck this country, so in what possible way are we harmed by seeing them run?

but you don't have the mental ability to answer such questions, you are limited to that endless unsupported babywail which is what the great 12clicks has become.

and you don't know thing fucking one about me - except that I've been here as long as you have.

Bill, I would say that just because there are lots of people wanting to take the place of wealthy people...it doesn't quite work like that.

People don't just become wealthy and take an empty spot.

I would say that if a mass exodus of wealth leaves the country that it absolutely does hurt.
There is a reason that certain states offer all kinds of incentives to attract business and people with wealth to move to their state.

Same thing with countries. :)

I have lived outside the US border for a few years and I dont miss my life one bit. My life in a 3rd world muslim country is far less intrusive and I actually find more opportunities here.

I could live in the "states" - been there three times on business - The ozzie dollar buys a lot there now! It's just a bugger that I get paid in USD :(

I hope it's true

I can add nothing more to your lack of accomplishment than you've already stated here.

You clowns that run out of the USA to a third world will quickly realize your Americans.

Right now USA still has the best money can buy for entertainment, restaurants, healthcare and most important english conversation.

No offense to you personally, but this may have been the silliest post I've seen in a long time. Wealth is not a zero-sum game. Nothing is stopping those "hundreds of thousands" from starting their own businesses. Having rich people around to invest in those startups actually helps them!

If you become rich it's not because someone left and you took their place. If a millionaire leaves the country, and a burger flipper moves into his house, does that mean that the guy flipping burgers is now going to generate huge amounts of income? Is he suddenly going to come out with a new smart phone, or open a chain of restaurants, or come up with a new mass cargo technology?

Great wealth is created by the people that are smart enough, creative enough, work hard enough, and are willing to take enough risks, to create a product or service that fulfills a need so large that a huge amount of wealth is generated. It's not some fixed "pie", whereby when you have more, someone else has less.

When someone like you advocates pushing out all of the producers, you will definitely NOT want to live in the state that you will have then created. You will end up in a situation where all you have is a languishing status quo, with no advancement from there on, which will eventually decay into total entropy.



:2 cents:.

I'll give you entertainment (only if it's live) and restaurants. But health care and language, you lose. And we're not too far behind in restaurants.

Who cares about the English language when you can speak other languages? It's a big world out there, there is no reason to limit yourself to one language and location, other than laziness and silly American pride.

Healthcare can be found abroad usually MUCH cheaper than in the USA and there is no shortage of state of the art hospitals with American and Euro doctors, at a fraction of the cost. In fact, many of the hospitals I've seen in Asia blow most of the ones in the USA out of the water in both service and price. Hence the huge increase of medical tourism.

Get out and see the world and learn how it works. Then come back and make some educated comments. :2 cents:

I did the move from the US to Panama five years ago and do not regret it for one second. Yes, I still pay US taxes, but I get a $94,000 exemption and do not pay taxes in Panama.

Infrastructure is good and I live in a very rural area. Learning Spanish has been an effort but worth the time. Anything I need is available here and anything I want and more available in Panama City. The economy is US dollar based.

Immigration is a pain but lots of people here just use tourist visas, they are good for 180 days. If anyone actually wants to know more contact me lee at dreamnet.com

This has been happening... I have four family members who went back to Germany where their Father was born.

Free healthcare! Get paid to breed! Lots of beer even on public transit! And they don't even have to lock up their bicycles when they go to town.

I'm not sure they are ever coming back! LOL! And I want to move (back) to France, where my father is from. We're just like the Mexicans! ha ha

well said.

Thanks, but I fear it falls on deaf ears

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of course it does.

There are those that aren't smart enough to understand and those that pander to them.

???? To spend a hell of a lot of money in their country?

1) To put money in THEIR banks.
2) To inject money into THEIR economy.
3) Wealthy people will usually invest in some way into the area they are living.

They are not inviting the wealthy to come so they can have tea with them.

Exactly. And I can tell you that I for one am always scheming up new projects and new ways to make money. Put me in a country like Panama or Costa Rica or similar where it's a million times easier & cheaper to open a brick and mortar business than it is here in the U.S. and I guarantee you I'll have something going on locally that will boost the economy...preferably a titty bar. heh-heh

No, it just means that you would have to pay taxes on the amount earned over $91,500.

And this is earned income, not passive income, capital gains, etc. These earning do not qualify for the FEITC.

of course. ?

i don't have a problem with any americans who are not happy living in america moving out of the country.

but if they are doing it because they do not like america, they should shut their traps complaining about america after they move. just enjoy life, you moved, congrats, now move on with your life.

100 Expats!

It's not that easy. Nothing works here (in Panama) like that and you will quickly learn a whole new way of trying to do business.

Your best bet is to continue doing something online, where your place of residence is only limited to your ability to have an decent internet connection.

The rest of the lifestyle, needs, climate, taxes, etc is personal.

I understand your emotion, but I think the reality is that at this point universities are run by academics who don't understand, or believe in, a free market; and couldn't succeed in a situation where they were not protected by tenure and tax funding. They are the ones that teach the teachers, and then those teachers submit their students to a lifetime of education which derides and attacks any notion of the reality of free markets, while espousing government control and the "delights" of socialistic policy. There is no attempt made at all to teach what the free market means, how it works, and what it achieves.

People have become products of this educational system and, being ignorant of even the most basic realities of how economies work, or don't work, in the real world, they end up like this. It is not their fault, and it's certainly not a question of intelligence.

It's a terrible shame, and unfortunately, by the time most people wake up to the reality of what economic control really means, it is too late, and the only people with any power are the political elite.



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There's some truth in this, but it's not quite that lopsided.

Adam Smith's invisible hand libertarians are as deluded as the believers in strict central / top down control.

Economics is not a hard science. It is a dynamic phenomenon subject to all sorts of factors and the balance point is somewhere near the middle of these extremes.

What would it require to open a strip club for instance? Paying off the local authorities (that's the way it is here in the U.S. already)? I'm still thinking it would be a million times easier to do in Panama.

If I wanted to open a club here in Vegas for example...I would need several million dollars and then have to go jump through so many govt. hoops. And then once it's open it's an ongoing hassle with the gaming commission, liquor authorities, city, county, state...headache after expensive headache....and all the while they send the undercover cops in every night trying to shut you down. :(

Has to be easier there, right?

Fair enough. Then what were your thoughts regarding my original post?

I totally agree. I would add to this...

"created by the people that are smart enough, creative enough, work hard enough, and are willing to take enough risks, and fortunate"

I say that because there are lots of people who are smart, work hard, take risks and fail, and there are the not so smart and lazy that are rather fortunate (lucky).

BTW, I understand you have something going on down here??

Hit me up when your in town and let's get together. :drinkup

Send me an email with your latest contact info when you get a chance.



.:pimp

Done. :)

I have the weirdest boner...

The rich will do anything for the poor except get off their backs.

Karl Marx

You become rich by employing people who make you $2000 a month and paying them $1000 a month.


After a revolution where the rich leave the economy normally improves within 5 years and the majority will be a lot better off.

First, there are gringos that do biz here and I'm sure it takes a certain talent, so I'm not saying doing a brick and mortar biz here can't be a lucrative venture.

I don't have any first hand experience. I can only offer what I've heard from friends and acquaintances that have done it (and not specifically strip clubs).

Other than the upfront cost, I'd say it's similar stuff to what you listed but harder to contend with plus much stricter labor requirements / laws, and for a strip club you can count on immigration and customs. And when there is something that requires courts, it gets worse. Napoleonic law here, not English Common law.

This is my take having listened to the stories.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

good luck with life.
you've wasted a lot of time reading the wrong books

I'm glad I have Cherry7 on Ignore...but since you guys quoted him:
What economy has EVER had no rich people after a "revolution"?

The ONLY thing that happens after a revolution is different people steal the original rich folks wealth and then THEY become the new rich people.

As The Who said: "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"

and I'd add to cherry7
"the new boss will never be you"

aside from online businesses, those who made their money did so by being in america. the idea that they would of had the same success in some kind of second/third world economy is laughable.

What do you mean?
You know I toured Peru in 1984 with my band. And we stayed in mansions in the mountains just outside of Lima with armed guards, private nightclubs, etc.

The majority of that "third world country" is dirt poor...they literally live in the mud. There is no middle class. But you better bet your ass that there is a wealthy class and they are multi-millionaires.

Smart people can make money anywhere. And if you got the balls...and the guts....you can probably make MORE money in a third world country (not in technology obviously)

I think he means Americans leaving the USA...

you are distorting my argument, and using straw man rhetoric, by saying I have advocated "pushing" producers out of the country.

at no point do I make that suggestion, and you can't point to a sentence where I have.

what I said was, if "they" (the wealthy) want to go, based on such offers, we are just as well off to let them go, and good riddance.

anybody who would take such an offer was already on their way out anyway.

and you haven't demonstrated that the economy is not a zero sum game, which opens up an entirely new line of argument. asserting that is not is not an argument.

BUT, following up on your line of argument - you asserted that the economy is not a zero-sum game, THEN you contradicted yourself by implying that the wealthy, and their money and productivity, is a FIXED resource, one in which we lose (the very definition of zero-sum) if we lose any of that fixed resource.

so, your whole argument is based an an assertion that you immediately self-contradict.

so what is it - are the wealthy a fixed resource, such that the american economy loses if some one wealthy person leaves, and therefore a zero sum game? or is the economy not a zero-sum game, such that if one rich person takes some offer from some shithole country and emigrates, they are no loss, because they can be instantly replaced, and the local money stream remains equivalent?

and by the way, your argument, as I just demonstrated, was silly and self-contradictory, and based on distortions of my argument (straw man) for the purposes of forwarding your political and moral agenda. Your agenda does NOT respond to how we should feel about other countries offering lures to rich americans to emigrate.