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ilnjscb 05-17-2011 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sexentertain_mike (Post 18127802)
I don't think it's uncommon to see an IPO go down and close down on the 1st day.

I'm sure it will rebound

?Nasdaq stocks posting largest percentage decreasesAP(Tue 6:03PM EDT)
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merina0803 05-17-2011 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by InfoGuy (Post 18145766)
FFN is in a spiral of death. 5 days of trading and it's down more than 35%. I can imagine the brokers calling their clients, telling them it's a bargain and asking them to buy more of this turd. :321GFY AFF

bah... this is adult... i bet there are mm's manipulating the shit out of this.

ilnjscb 05-17-2011 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Big E (Post 18146939)
(sigh) You guys really don't know much about stocks, do you?

1) They sold 5M shares (out of 26.72M), so about 20% of the company.
2) Those shares can go to zero, and it would not "affect" the company - you don't go automatically BK when your share price goes to zero.
3) When the stock price gets low enough (let's say $0.50/share), they could buy them all outstanding shares back for $2.5M and take it private (if they wanted). BOOM! They just "washed" their company from private to public back to private and made $47.5M (minus fees) from all those sucker investors.
4) The only people who "lose" money are all the idiots who bought the shares and sold them for a lower value.
5) As others have said, they HAD to do this deal to try and lower their debt - their interest costs are crushing.

IMO, they're fucked. Unless they can cut costs or dramatically increase profitable sales, they're still losing money every quarter/every year. They are in a slow death spiral.

They're not going to be able to go back to the stock market (obviously), and the reason they went to stock market in the first place is because they can't get credit from any bank.

The next thing you're going to see from them is to start selling assets, presumably the least profitable segments of the business first.. whichever those may be - I suspect Penthouse goes on the chopping block first, but who knows.. they may ride the whole thing down until it crashes.

Ironically, they ALMOST pulled it off. Basically, when you IPO, you're either growing SO FAST that you can't tranditional financing (i.e. banks) because banks don't loan on "potential" (that's what the stock market is for), OR.. you can't get traditional financing because the banks don't like your numbers/business model/whatever.

So you go to the IPO market, and hope you can find a bunch of dipshits who will buy your stock and allow you to pay off the debt you accumulated.

So, had FFN been able to get out of the gate in 2007/2008 right before the market crashed, and assuming they could have sold $460M of IPO, they would have "transfered" the debt to all the idiots who bought that IPO.

Sure, the stock would have taken a massive hit, but fuck it, what do they care? They wiped the debt, they've got an extra $75M/year (that went to interest) to add straight to the bottom line.

It was a ballsy strategy (but a very common one - google: "leveraged buyout" or LBO) but they just missed on the timing, and it will end up costing them the company me thinks..

Number 3 is wrong. When they announce they are going to do that, and they have to announce it, they will have to pay a premium. Also, if they did that too soon, they'd get sued and spend a ton defending themselves. It isn't that easy to "wash" as you say.

Their EPS is -3.14 and their income -43.15M. They have 25.31M in cash. Unless they quit going through cash, they have 7 months.

will76 05-17-2011 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Big E (Post 18146939)
(sigh) You guys really don't know much about stocks, do you?

1) They sold 5M shares (out of 26.72M), so about 20% of the company.
2) Those shares can go to zero, and it would not "affect" the company - you don't go automatically BK when your share price goes to zero.
3) When the stock price gets low enough (let's say $0.50/share), they could buy them all outstanding shares back for $2.5M and take it private (if they wanted). BOOM! They just "washed" their company from private to public back to private and made $47.5M (minus fees) from all those sucker investors.
4) The only people who "lose" money are all the idiots who bought the shares and sold them for a lower value.
5) As others have said, they HAD to do this deal to try and lower their debt - their interest costs are crushing.

IMO, they're fucked. Unless they can cut costs or dramatically increase profitable sales, they're still losing money every quarter/every year. They are in a slow death spiral.

They're not going to be able to go back to the stock market (obviously), and the reason they went to stock market in the first place is because they can't get credit from any bank.

The next thing you're going to see from them is to start selling assets, presumably the least profitable segments of the business first.. whichever those may be - I suspect Penthouse goes on the chopping block first, but who knows.. they may ride the whole thing down until it crashes.

Ironically, they ALMOST pulled it off. Basically, when you IPO, you're either growing SO FAST that you can't tranditional financing (i.e. banks) because banks don't loan on "potential" (that's what the stock market is for), OR.. you can't get traditional financing because the banks don't like your numbers/business model/whatever.

So you go to the IPO market, and hope you can find a bunch of dipshits who will buy your stock and allow you to pay off the debt you accumulated.

So, had FFN been able to get out of the gate in 2007/2008 right before the market crashed, and assuming they could have sold $460M of IPO, they would have "transfered" the debt to all the idiots who bought that IPO.

Sure, the stock would have taken a massive hit, but fuck it, what do they care? They wiped the debt, they've got an extra $75M/year (that went to interest) to add straight to the bottom line.

It was a ballsy strategy (but a very common one - google: "leveraged buyout" or LBO) but they just missed on the timing, and it will end up costing them the company me thinks..


So they went through all of that, according to what you said, to scam 50M out of wall street investors... AND THEY still probably had a NET loss for the year!! LMAO. considering they had a net loss of 43M last year! Not to mention the 500M of outstanding debt they have that will be coming due in a couple years.

They are fucked. As long as the stock price tanks it makes the stock worth that much less as they try to sell out their own shares (26M). I don't much about stocks but I know stock crashing is better than shooting up in value and making their company value worth a lot more.

FFN will be bankrupt in 2-3 years, where did this 50M cash grab go.... i would bet into someone;s pocket. I see this as a last ditched money grab on their part before the company implodes.

So which AFF shill are you ?

will76 05-17-2011 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by InfoGuy (Post 18145766)
FFN is in a spiral of death. 5 days of trading and it's down more than 35%. I can imagine the brokers calling their clients, telling them it's a bargain and asking them to buy more of this turd. :321GFY AFF

Almost 50% now.

marlboroack 05-17-2011 05:21 PM

Wonder if they would invest with me :question :question :question

SomeCreep 05-17-2011 06:11 PM

It'll bottom out at some point. Like Playboy, it'll probably have a wild ride all the way down to $1 - 2/share and then bounce back up to $5/share or something crazy like that.

InfoGuy 09-15-2011 02:24 PM

FFN hit a new intraday low of $2.50 and a new closing low of $2.52 At the rate FFN has plummeted since going IPO, it should be under a buck by the end of the year.


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