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Paul Markham 05-31-2011 02:32 AM
Butterfly isn't the only idiot in this thread. Sad reflection of the business. :(

A. Putting up a site with 10,000 full length videos of which the core could be anyone's is simple. The problem is affording it. Unless you get a some people to pay the hosting, BW, labor costs. You're losing money. Big time. Fabian might have a clue what his hosting bill is, but I suspect it's another thing delegated to others that he doesn't know. :disgust

Of course asking anyone doing business with Manwin to support you or get them to advertise isn't going to get a great response.

B. Suing someone for doing something not illegal in their home country isn't easy or cheap. And the success of it would leave you with what? A line of people doing exactly the same thing and not posting on GFY. In fact people who you might find tough to track down. Acacia who were a team of lawyers couldn't sue me in Czech. Because Czech hadn't signed up to the patent law they were using.

Then you need to prove AdultKing actually did the deed and not just the man who came up with the original idea. How do you intend to do that?

What experience do you have of doing this Fabian?

C. DWB's post about Manwin buying up servers. That could cripple them. How many servers would they need to buy if people adopted the idea?

D. Manwin's position as the biggest in the business, if based on Tube traffic, isn't going to mean squat in time. Tubes are just another costly tool to teach people not to pay for porn. Something online porn has been very successful at. So who ever you are Tubes are going to teach more and more customers not to pay for porn.

If there success is based on what's inside their sites, then I'm amazed. Because what's inside their sites isn't that good. As I showed when I did the reviews of some of the scenes.

Got this bit wrong in my last post.

Quote:
Customers mostly decide the fate of a company. At the moment Manwin spend a lot of money teaching surfers not to pay for porn. Staying a multi million dollar porn company needs people to pay for porn.

DWB 05-31-2011 02:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 18178007)
There is nothing to take but the shirt off my back, my dog and my cat.
They will take the dog and the cat. :2 cents:


Quote:
Originally Posted by SZNY (Post 18178080)
So because of you Chow is now having a love relation with his right or left hand for the upcoming 7 yrs?

Man if that is the case I really hope you take care of that guy and probably his family
We are taking care of his family and trying to get him released. But if you've ever been through the legal system in China, you'll know what I mean when I say there is a lot of red tape to cut through.


Quote:
Originally Posted by SleazyDream (Post 18178665)
"When the winds of change blow, some people build walls and others build windmills..."
- Old Chinese Proverb

love that proverb!
Chow pointed out that this is actually not a Chinese proverb, as the Chinese prefer to build walls. Really big ones. You may have heard of one of them, it's called The Great Wall Of China.

The first wind powered machine was actually traced back to the Greek engineer Heron of Alexandria. China and Tibet actually only had prayer wheels during this time, and not real windmills. They were wall builders. :2 cents:

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AdultKing 05-31-2011 03:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DWB (Post 18178784)
They will take the dog and the cat. :2 cents:
Not in this country they won't, companion animals are exempt when it comes to enforcing civil claims. :)

CamTraffic 05-31-2011 04:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 18178294)
i am pretty sure you can buy their traffic
give it a shot
start with 1000...and then keep on doubling it
stop kissing ass seriously. they wont use your feeds :2 cents:

Paul Markham 05-31-2011 04:59 AM
Quote:
"When it rains, some people sell umbrellas and others give them away..."
- Old Paul Markham Proverb

And far more relevant to online porn than the old Chinese one. :thumbsup

gideongallery 05-31-2011 05:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirty Dane (Post 18178719)
No, you didn't. The user had only 1, ONE, video, and that can't make him repeated infringer. User was booted for something else. But you still don't understand that logic, do you? :1orglaugh
no you moron the user had one video left up AFTER getting banned for MULTIPLE tos violations/copyright infringements

that clearly proves your "if the account is banned all the videos go poof" arguement was false

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To keep the safe harbor, not only must they ban the infringer, they must also not have actual knowledge of the videos (with or without DMCA notices), and they must act upon obvious or suspected infringements.
total bullshit the safe harbor was designed to prevent this exact type of censorship.

Relentless 05-31-2011 06:11 AM
Wouldn't step one of successfully attacking anyone about anything in any way be: Not posting on GFY that you are considering doing it?
This thread is like a guy thinking about killing his wife and asking on GFY if anyone knows where he can find a secluded area with soft soil so he can dig a shallow grave.

AdultKing 05-31-2011 06:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 18179103)
Wouldn't step one of successfully attacking anyone about anything in any way be: Not posting on GFY that you are considering doing it?
This thread is like a guy thinking about killing his wife and asking on GFY if anyone knows where he can find a secluded area with soft soil so he can dig a shallow grave.
No. Not at all, this is just a message to Manwin to clean up their act or others will do it for them.

Jakez 05-31-2011 07:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by V_RocKs (Post 18178697)
I signed up to several manwin tubes under several nicks. I tried uploading content. I uploaded both legal and illegal content. The legal content never made it to the surfer. The illegal did. So somebody screened my video uploads and instead of blocking water marked, clearly illegal content they let it go through. The 6 to 8 minute stuff was all scrubbed. Hmmmmm?
They don't really want their tubes free of piracy. They don't want unwatermaked short videos hogging up space on their site when they could have long videos from paysite members areas that attract traffic and if it gets DMCA'd something similar will just take it's place. The trick I'm sure is to get the illegal shit posted long enough to grab some SE traffic from people looking for paysite content on tubes. If the videos get DMCA'd who cares, they've already secured another visitor.

zbuckz_lloyd 05-31-2011 07:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DWB (Post 18177512)
AdultKing, I did the same thing you are thinking. I hosted with a company in the Netherlands who didn't give a shit about DMCA law. Then I paid a team of Filipinos to upload Brazzers and Mofo videos day and night. Must have been 1000s of scenes.

Then I bought a ton of traffic, got the usual sponsors, popped up webcams , you name it.

And you want to know what happened? Manwin bought the host and shut the site down.

So you wanna know what I did? I fucking moved it to another host. :thumbsup

Then Manwin bought that one too and shut the site down again.

I figured third time is a charm, so I hosted it in China. I figured for starters, they don't allow porn but since I know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy named Chow, I figured we could make it happen and it would be untouchable.

Guess what happened?

Yup. Manwin bought them too. But did they shut the site down? No, they shut the whole host down AND told the Chinese authorities about the operation and the guys went to prison for 7 years each. Poor Chow.

To put it into perspective, do you think an army of piss ants who built a colony under a super highway even knows that super highway exists? They don't. It is too huge for them to even know it's there. So they just go on about their piss ant business oblivious to what is happening above them. But every now and then those piss ants climb up on the highway by mistake can get squished.

My point is, they are a steamroller driving full speed on a super highway and you are a piss ant. And collectively, we are an army of piss ants standing in the face of this steamroller up on a super highway.

And I know what you're thinking. You're thinking that while a piss ant may not know about the super highway, he may know about the steamroller. Right? I thought the same thing and boy was I wrong. Because what Chow and I found out was... they own the super highway AND a fleet of steamrollers. So not only do we not even know that the super highway is there, but on it is not just one steamroller, but an army of steamrollers. And you know what they are doing? They are running over piss ants who are busy looking for some sugar or a rotten apple to eat.

Nathan can confirm my story is true.

FREE CHOW! :2 cents:
Priceless!

merina0803 05-31-2011 08:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DirtyDanza (Post 18178170)
Nathan seems to run a good biz and changed the way of the net...


now my only question is Nathan .. can I please have some traffic? pretty please? I mean just a small link in the network somewhere you won't even notice and it would mean the world to a small time guy like myself...

you know I convert :)
************* not bringing it in? :1orglaugh goon

merina0803 05-31-2011 08:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by V_RocKs (Post 18178697)
I signed up to several manwin tubes under several nicks. I tried uploading content. I uploaded both legal and illegal content. The legal content never made it to the surfer. The illegal did. So somebody screened my video uploads and instead of blocking water marked, clearly illegal content they let it go through. The 6 to 8 minute stuff was all scrubbed. Hmmmmm?
montreal ips only man. :1orglaugh

Fabien 05-31-2011 08:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 18177324)
manwin is like an 800 pound gorilla raping a flock of sheep. The solution is to find a 7000 pound elephant to rape the gorilla. ( because elephants don't like raping sheep , they love the soft feel of wool )
You seem to know what you're talking about :1orglaugh

Bladewire 05-31-2011 08:37 AM
"Will I get this done ? I don't know." Then you wont get it done.

Question is, when you ask yourself why you tried in the first place, what will the answer be? Here, take a cookie, soon you'll feel right as rain.

:2 cents: Almost every torrent/tube starts out as a one man job. Just do it and let it be done. Once you put your idea into ACTION others will follow, that's how this industry works.

SpicyM 05-31-2011 08:51 AM
You will only support them this way.

Nothing would happen, except you will be linking to them which means more backlinks.

merina0803 05-31-2011 08:52 AM
http://i.imgur.com/GjfWM.jpg

Paul Markham 05-31-2011 08:55 AM
Squirtit. Let's face it most Tube sites are STILL one man bands and will always be one man bands. The reasons are simple.

How much full length scenes does it take to get the massive traffic the top division have built over the years.

How much money will be made from advertising during the time building the traffic.

And will it cover the hosting bill?

I would estimate that it would need a dedicated server and the cost would be high for the BW at the start. As the traffic grows, then the price gets better. Or invest in at least 2 servers and take a deal that will allow you to use more BW than you burn and invest the money until the traffic starts to STICK.

Getting and keeping traffic with 3-5 minute clips only isn't going to cut it. People want 20 minute clips.

Then ratios plummet.

So you're stuck between a rock and a hard place.

If I were Fabian I wouldn't bother to threaten AK, I would let him know what the investment is to go into competition with Pornhub.

SmokeyTheBear, is nearly right.

Quote:
800 pound gorilla raping a flock of sheep. The solution is to find a 7000 pound elephant
I can find the 7000 pound elephant. Can you afford to feed it?

If you could you would have a 7000 pound elephant. Knowing the problem and answer is the easy part. Affording it isn't.

HarryMuff 05-31-2011 08:57 AM
I'm commander Shepard and this is my favorite store on the citadel.

marketsmart 05-31-2011 08:58 AM
what ever happened to the good old days when you just had your enemies murdered...

you guys are a bunch of pussies....

if you want to get rid of Manwin, take up a collection for some wet work... :2 cents:





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JFK 05-31-2011 09:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 18179674)
what ever happened to the good old days when you just had your enemies murdered...

you guys are a bunch of pussies....

if you want to get rid of Manwin, take up a collection for some wet work... :2 cents:





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This thread is getting violent:helpme

Quote:
Originally Posted by will76 (Post 18178465)
you should punch him in the face at the next show :2 cents:

merina0803 05-31-2011 09:10 AM
http://gal.darkervision.com/wp-conte...02-300x400.jpg

Juicy D. Links 05-31-2011 09:18 AM
anybody want to rub me with lotion?

SpicyM 05-31-2011 09:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicyM (Post 18179652)
You will only support them this way.

Nothing would happen, except you will be linking to them which means more backlinks.
Oh I thought you want to embed clips from their tubes, my bad.

Bladewire 05-31-2011 09:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links (Post 18179787)
anybody want to rub me with lotion?
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/7039/expansion.gif

CaptainHowdy 05-31-2011 09:38 AM

merina0803 05-31-2011 10:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links (Post 18179787)
anybody want to rub me with lotion?
that so hot!!! 150 manwin rubdowns

AdultKing 05-31-2011 10:13 AM
Had a lovely lunch with my friends, who happen to be my laywers today, I had Salmon and some really nice cheesecake for desert. Was a great way to spend a sunny Melbourne lunch time, nice to catch up with old friends.

The Porn Nerd 05-31-2011 10:24 AM
We are all just one law away from extinction.

V_RocKs 05-31-2011 11:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by V_RocKs (Post 18178697)
I signed up to several manwin tubes under several nicks. I tried uploading content. I uploaded both legal and illegal content. The legal content never made it to the surfer. The illegal did. So somebody screened my video uploads and instead of blocking water marked, clearly illegal content they let it go through. The 6 to 8 minute stuff was all scrubbed. Hmmmmm?

Quote:
The Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998
Limitation for Transitory Communications

The transmission, routing, provision of connections, or copying must
be carried out by an automatic technical process without selection of
material by the service provider.
Nathan: Your tubes are operating outside the law when they select videos suitable for distribution on your network by using humans to decide what is acceptable. You must use an automated process, such as, the way Smart Thumbs rotates all newly uploaded galleries through the index page allowing surfers to vote on what moves up, down or is ultimately removed from the page.

You don't have such a process. You have someone who works for your company making that decision.

marketsmart 05-31-2011 11:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by V_RocKs (Post 18180304)
Nathan: Your tubes are operating outside the law when they select videos suitable for distribution on your network by using humans to decide what is acceptable. You must use an automated process, such as, the way Smart Thumbs rotates all newly uploaded galleries through the index page allowing surfers to vote on what moves up, down or is ultimately removed from the page.

You don't have such a process. You have someone who works for your company making that decision.
i said this 2 years ago.. if you have human intervention, you violate safe harbor...

alas, no one wants to do anything, just complain.... :2 cents:




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moeloubani 05-31-2011 11:19 AM
Just host the sites in the US and rogue uploaders that upload to there will upload to your tubes. Make sure you have a strong connection and add 1000s of Manwin videos a day, while at the same time making sure to respond to DMCAs from them in time, where it takes you on average 5 mins to delete each video. If they want you to show proof that your uploaders aren't you then when Manwin gets sued for the same thing they will have to show the same proof. If you want to beat them at their own game then play the game, don't cheat.

Nathan 05-31-2011 11:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by V_RocKs (Post 18180304)
Nathan: Your tubes are operating outside the law when they select videos suitable for distribution on your network by using humans to decide what is acceptable. You must use an automated process, such as, the way Smart Thumbs rotates all newly uploaded galleries through the index page allowing surfers to vote on what moves up, down or is ultimately removed from the page.

You don't have such a process. You have someone who works for your company making that decision.
If you think so....

Even if I say it's not true you'll come and claim it is.. so why even discuss these things?

ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE 05-31-2011 11:44 AM
Hey Nathan can you check you'r email, I sent you a copy of the fatwa as discussed.

BFT3K 05-31-2011 11:45 AM
"Man who gets too big for his britches may get exposed in the end." - Old Chinese Proverb

Translation: You may be at the top today, but tomorrow is right around the corner, so watch your fucking ass. :2 cents:

AdultKing 05-31-2011 12:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 18180342)
Just host the sites in the US and rogue uploaders that upload to there will upload to your tubes. Make sure you have a strong connection and add 1000s of Manwin videos a day, while at the same time making sure to respond to DMCAs from them in time, where it takes you on average 5 mins to delete each video. If they want you to show proof that your uploaders aren't you then when Manwin gets sued for the same thing they will have to show the same proof. If you want to beat them at their own game then play the game, don't cheat.
I would never subject such an enterprise to US jurisdiction, sorry guys, the US doesn't rule the world legally. All this DMCA stuff is greek to me when it comes to this kind of thing.

I run sites in the US and comply with US laws, however if an enterprise like this was to be embarked on, I'd be making sure it cost Manwin as much as possible to try to litigate it out of existence. If the job was done properly, they wouldn't be able to do it anyway.

However Manwin have one option, stop stealing content. Then people wouldn't be looking at ways of dealing with them.

I also feel Nathan underestimates my resources and the offers of help I have received. He thinks I am a nobody, while I may be small, I am tenacious and I am fed up with the complete bullshit from Manwin and their modus operandi.

So to Nathan and Manwin, consider yourself on notice, battle lines are being drawn. Clean up your act and this whole concept goes away.

AdultKing 05-31-2011 12:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18180479)
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT! - What is it that he did to you again?
Manwin's content stealing tube sites host content owned by a company that one UK investment holding is a silent partner of. It's that simple. It comes down, then goes back up again quickly. People are fed up, you can only piss people off for so long before they want to bring your temple crashing down.

AdultKing 05-31-2011 12:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18180495)
Your content?
Content owned by one of my investment interests, yes.

edit: before Manwin thinks they can get at that, I have so many layers of protection when it comes to my corporate structures that effectively I own nothing except a small apartment in the city of Melbourne and a dog and cat. All of which are protected in Australian law from judicial judgments.

CaptainHowdy 05-31-2011 12:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 18180131)
We are all just one law away from extinction.
Viddy signature ...

AdultKing 05-31-2011 12:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18180556)
Okay, so here is a serous question? - Are you able to contact all the content owners that you know for a 100% provable fact that their vids/content is being abused often ie., re-uploaded? Then would you be able to start a collection, secured in an escrow account for all of this to stop permanently...? ...off the top of your head a ballpark amount?
One option being considered is the establishment of a content protection service, which will flood Manwin with so many DMCA's that their heads would spin. There are a few options being considered. If we offered such a service we may offer it on a post paid basis, so no upfront charges would be levied.

Nathan knows I am serious about this, he's a smart guy and had to know that the free ride would end. Obviously I am not going to reveal all of our ideas in this thread, but I think Manwin have been put on notice. If they want to treat it as a joke, then the joke is on them.

Anyone who thinks I act alone is seriously mistaken. The best solution is for Manwin to clean up it's act.

JFK 05-31-2011 12:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by will76 (Post 18178465)
you should punch him in the face at the next show :2 cents:
just saw the "other Thread":1orglaugh:thumbsup


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