I will be shooting porn in 2015 i will still be here

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I am going to upload some watermarked content today without a partner account and lets see if it gets posted or not...

every time i tried this in the past, none of the content was posted and i own it...

which means that you have people manually reviewing uploads...

that is a violation of safe harbor and you know it....

but, i will try again today and see what happens...




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marketsmart, its actually not a violation of safe harbor, but go and try it either way...

I'll second that. In my 2 years here I have met some true characters and a laundry list of people who have no business conducting business.

So, just to be clear then, are you publicly admitting that you have people manually reviewing uploads?

And if so, what is the decision process these "people" are working off of, and then additionally, are these "people" paid employees?

Inquiring minds....

how is that not a violation? you can not manually review every user uploaded file and choose which ones are ok and which ones are not and at the same time allow the same infringing file to be repeatedly uploaded time and time again.

your argument would not hold up in court... :2 cents:

but dont worry, no one will step up and try to sue you guys anyway... :thumbsup






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So what your saying is if I created a tube site and had, say a friend upload a bunch of your full length videos and content to my site while I fully know they are full length and was is going on is not legal, THAT WOULD BE OK??

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keep thinking that to yourself, christ you guys are fucking retarded

Yes content owned by a UK company in which I have an interest was being repeatedly uploaded, removed, uploaded, removed. However I have been discussing Manwin with friends and peers for months before posting this thread. I may be the one posting but this is not an AdultKing show, I'm just playing spokesperson at this stage.

The original idea floated in the original post was simple, put a tube out of reach of Manwin that exploited only Manwin owned content. User uploaded of course, users being a room full of Indians with fast internet.

The threat of Manwin to sue me was an empty one, all that would be acheived by any attempt to do so would be a loss of money to lawyers for Manwin, there are problems of jurisdiction, applicable laws in specific countries that may be bases for such an operation, the fact that Nathan by his own words invited me to do it, the list goes on. Manwin's greatest weakness is that it has set a precedent for what is acceptable and a very good argument could be made that Manwin are trying to litigate against their own business model. If it got to court, if Manwin gained a default judgement, then they have a nice piece of paper in the form of a court order that is completely unenforceable.

An invitation was made to Nathan to come to the table to discuss options and he has done so in this thread. He has already indicated they use fingerprinting technology for content control and also admitted there is some kind of review process of uploads. This again presents Manwin a problem, it is a weakness that can be exploited by insisting that if uploads are screened for bad stuff then they can also be screened for infringement. The onus is on Manwin not to infringe on other parties rights, it is not the onus of the aggrieved party to tell Manwin they have infringed IP rights.

The next step was an offer to provide an industry based solution to remove content *instantly* that was infringing, Nathan has, on Manwin's behalf, committed in principle to such a scheme with conditions.

Now it's a case of building the scheme from the ground up, however there are several contingency plans if Manwin refuses to play ball.

I have made it clear through this thread I have no personal grievance toward Nathan, for better or worse he has been a contributor of note to this industry and is a very clever man. However most would agree Manwin needs to clean up it's act, as do many other tube operators - unfortunately for Manwin it is the test case for this issue. Manwin has set itself up as the new golden child of porn and is therefore an appropriate target for trialling methods to make infringements of the rights of others something which has real consequences.

It is up to this industry to stop what the tubes are doing, there are many creative ideas that will be floated soon. If you have an idea to stop tubes raping rights holders, then express it clearly, become involved in stopping this grubby trade of stolen content.

In the meantime, later today a website will be set up to take registrations of interest from content owners who wish to participate in an industry based solution, if enough people step up to the plate then it will be game on.

The scheme as I see it should be phased in. First with a register of content that rights holders explicitly forbid Manwin to host on their sites. It will then be up to Manwin to remove it, very fast. If they don't then they risk the consequences of not doing so, whatever they may be in practice. Then the second stage should be to automate the system with fingerprinting. Meaning that a system will be in place that will zap a video the minute it is uploaded if it's on the exclusion list via software API's provided to Manwin. As Manwin is the primary offender in this exercise, it will need to provide a significant contribution financially to keep the scheme afloat, again if it chooses not to then there are other options.

Of course all this is open for discussion between those members of the industry who wish to participate, many have already expressed a desire to have this issue dealt with, so it's time to take real action.

For those people who think that I am just pissing into the wind, that's your right to hold your opinion but there are a group of people in the background with significant resources to ensure that the issue of content theft assisted by Manwin ceases.

We screen for illegal content. As in, bestiality, child porn, rape and so on...

And no, I "admit" to nothing, there is nothing to "admit" to.

See my post above, if you can screen for bad stuff you can also screen for infringement. The onus is on you not to infringe on the rights of copyright holders, not the other way around.

You must realise that the big tube party for Manwin is over, we have suggested an industry based scheme and you should come on board. It's the right and responsible thing to do. You can't have it both ways, you cannot set yourselves up as the golden child of the adult industry and rape other parts of it at the same time. Just remember what happened to Rome.

delusions of grandeur ...

you can't be that stupid

your equating instigating the upload with just not stopping it

AK, no we can not, only once you grasp that fact, you will understand DMCA.

Go and setup your system, and we will use it...

you do realize that there is a liability for taking down content that has a right to be there

when it clearly illegal (CP/beastiality) the fact that contents illegal means the injured party is never going to complain

but in the case were you can't tell by looking (licienced/unlicienced) the injured party can sue, if you only take down properly notifed content the liability shifts to the notifier.

I appreciate that Nathan, but what does a US law mean to a UK entity ? Why should a UK entity bow to US law to have something removed that would clearly place you in liability in the source country of the content ? It's a serious question. My legal advice is that DMCA's mean shit when it comes to countries like Australia and the UK, all we need to do to remove content is tell you to according to my advice.

They have great poutine in Montreal. :)

That's why stage one of our scheme will be to provide a regularly updated list of content explicitly disallowed to be added to the tubes to Manwin. It will be up to them how they administer it, if they need more staff to check everything against the list so be it. When we have an API it can be automated, however that wont happen overnight.

Also, a UK company having it's content infringed in the USA is able to sue, it doesn't have to issue a DMCA, that's a US law, doesn't apply in the UK.

A whole can of legal worms is opening up here.

Because US law is a usual basis for new laws, especially in places like the UK.

Most of europe is following the same principle as DMCA. If a notice is sent and content is removed on it, there is no liability by the service provider, forum, board or whatever.

"International Law is mostly unexplored legal territory."

- The West Wing, 2004

This means most "international lawsuits" go jack nowhere.

Interesting read. I noticed how Nathan kept mentioning the word "illegal". Not that they didn't do anything wrong, but they didn't do anything wrong "illegally". So you know it's wrong morally, but legally it doesn't matter so who gives a shit?

Options I thought of:
1. Hire hackers to infiltrate the network and destroy everything
2. Work with Nathan to get Manwin to start making changes.
3. As previously suggested, catch them being shady and take them to court
4. Hire hitmen from the Deep Web (Google it). Keyword being hitmen not man.
5. Leave the industry
6. GIANT botnet to take down everything Manwin.

That being said, I don't own any adult sites, networks, businesses, etc. I just come here for the boobies :)

Fucking retard.

Bad part is there is a world full of crazy people out there. It's just a matter of time before something bad happens.

Hell, for all I know gideongallery might snap from all the times I've shown him to be an idiot who isn't even in this business and never made a dollar.

Man that would suck. I'd rather die most any other way than by the hands of gideon "dumbass" gallery :1orglaugh

I guess I should have been specific. I'm not building illegal tubes or even accepting user uploads :)

Thats the beauty of the CyberSEO plugin... this shit updates all day on its own with hosted FLVs. Traffic on this one domain has doubled every day for 5 days in a row now.

2 sites done now, 112 more to go. All on domains that range from 5 to 14 years old.

Oh for fucks sake Nathan give us a break, UK Common Law property rights are ancient principals of law, how can you be so pompous. The FACT is that DMCA is a USA Law and does not apply to the rest of the world.

With our scheme, you wont be getting DMCA's you will have a single list, updated regularly, from that you will remove content immediately as it is upoloaded or found on your servers. You will follow the laws that protect the content rights holders no matter where they are. Why ? Because it's the right thing to do, not because it's in the Digital Millenium Copyright Act which covers a few hundred million people out of many billion it does not affect or apply to.

i think a more likely scenario would be for gideon to get you incarcerated and then get himself incarcerated at the same facility and then bribe the guards with a few packs of smokes to get bunked in the same cell with you and then try to rape you....

when you finally got released, every morning when you inserted a tampon into your rectum to stop the bleeding, you would know that gideon got the best of you..

sounds plausible... :1orglaugh






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Comments like that are why I love this forum :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I did read it all.

We don't want to build tubes, we want to stop tubes raping content rights holders. If that means using "legal" means in other jurisdictions so be it. For the time being Nathan seems to back a solution, let's see how that goes.

If you own content and you don't want it on tubes then we will try to put together a coalition to ensure it doesn't happen. If you don't care about the tubes, don't get involved.

But I repeat, this has nothing to do with tubes or tube envy. It is all about content theft.

I don't like some of the violent suggestions in this thread, Manwin is the issue not Nathan, not Gideongallery, nobody else.

This thread is to tackle content theft and the resulting distribution by tubes.

Yeah supposedly this board has the best of the best in our industry. Would expect more but then again maybe not.
Again I give some people on this board to much credit when it comes to being professional and intelligent.

In about 8 hours a site will be up for content owners to register interest in dealing with tube content theft and content removal, it will initially be a registration of interest system. Then people will be able to participate on a mailing list to cover ideas to form the coalition of content rights holders which will tackle the tubes, starting with Manwin and the ideas in this thread. The initial aim will be to create a database of content which content owners explicitly disallow publishing to tubes, we will then move forward with automated solutions.

If Nathan is good to his word, this will be an important first step in dealing with the tube content theft problem.

its all in the wording. the content is indeed user uploaded... just depends on where those users are. :1orglaugh my bet is on those cheeseheads.

sorry - no comissions for you today :1orglaugh

No, most of the real guys in our industry won't post or even read GFY anymore. The whole "trolling" thing kinda lost it's shock value a few years ago and just isn't funny anymore. And nobody wants to take the chance of getting a GFY "detective" to stir up a GFY "mob" on their ass.

I still talk and do business with many of the best of the best...but none of them come to GFY.
Matter of fact I had one of them email me this morning and said he had read one of my posts on GFY today and it was the first time he had even bothered to come here in over 3 years. :(

they got ryder trucks now :winkwink:

90% of my business is not online, I suggest you are wrong.

We will work with tubes who play ball and remove stolen content and strong arm those who refuse.

just thank your lucky stars that you have a site with a good niche.. and even with all your efforts, i still see your content all over the tubes.

if i hadnt made the switch to mainstream a couple years ago and had to rely on adult money to survive, i would be trolling craigslist looking for cock sucking jobs.. everyone said "oh noes the sky is falling" when i said tubes would ruin this business..

do you believe me now?

everyone i talk to says they beat their meat to the tubes and the only membership they buy is to niches and mostly micro niches that cater to their fetishes where content is just not readily available on the tubes..

its sad to see an entire industry being wiped out by a select few and without even a decent fight to take control back by the people that built it... :2 cents:





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you're a funny guy
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time-video.com :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

maybe you should quit your own tube game first

Money talks, bullshit walks. Manwin probably post here between stolen video uploud`s breaks.
AK put me 1st on your list. I will uploud minimum 20 videos per day for free or charge. Email me at shadyladyranch [@] gmail dot com

Yep, Im a funny guy. My tubes are not tubes, they embed, we'd prefer content wasn't stolen to embed but we dont control the sources. Chan sites are old as the hills, there is a strict removal policy in place on those but I don't personally control them. We don't need a DMCA to remove content, just a simple request and we don't upload it. Screenguide embeds youtube clips, again we don't control the content, youtube does that.

Offline, the brothel, pub, adult book shops and game development enterprises I have a hand in don't steal or supply stolen product. We don't sell stolen beer.

Where do you see my content all over the tubes? I find old stuff on fileshare and torrents...but nothing even close to what others are.

What have you found of mine? You might want to make sure that if you're seeing it "all over" that it's not something that Claudia Marie shot for another company. Her Naughty America scenes are EVERYWHERE and were out there within an hour of going up in NA's members area. lol

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Initially you wont need to upload anything, just add what you don't want published by tubes to a database.

When we fingerprint video my plan is that the fingerprint software will run locally on your machine and upload a profile to the database for use by the API offered to tube sites.

However it's early days, as people come on board they may bring other ideas to the table, The aim will be to form an independent entity to run this whole operation where the costs are largely born by the tubes to serve the member content rights holders who want to protect their content from theft.

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I'll gladly put my money where my mouth is and remove every video embedding site on our network this week, that way no stolen content will pass through to our surfers. I will issue a directive for this to be done today and completed by next friday. If the sites we embed did not steal content then people couldn't access it through our sites, anyway consider them gone, it will take a few days but every one will be removed.

with embeds you = profiting off stolen content.

ah.. that might be what i see..

i ddint know claudia shot outside of her site...






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he is already mass fail :1orglaugh

She doesn't much anymore...just for that reason. :(

They're gone, except for the youtube embed sites which will remain as they link to the original content and Google has correct removal procedures in place for rights holders.