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Frankfurt Fabian... :1orglaugh

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My business partner has a shit load of adult domains sitting around not doing anything, well they dont appear to be doing anything the guy is really creative at doing things that you cant see up front with them, plus his main focus for the past couple of years have been on his mainstream marketing. He has always been against TGP sites and tube sites and has never built any.

I took one of his adult domains and put a tube on it running the CyberSEO plugin that he bought over 2 years ago and never used it. In 4 days have 87 pages in Google already, on a 10 year old domain. Showed it to him today, now I have instructions to build 113 more of these tubes. At least I wont be bored :)

If you cant beat'em, then join the fuckers.

:1orglaugh aaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwww thanks for trying :winkwink:

how hard would it be to physically eliminate someone?

there are people for hire who'd pop someone for 5-10k.

These kinds of posts show the quality of people in this industry...

How many industries do you know where people in it openly talk about _KILLING_ a competitor...

_THIS_ is the reason why this industry is failing, and nothing else. Bunch of wacko's and criminals...

thanks for advertises ;)

Pot / Kettle ?

Are you really surprised that if you step on too many peoples toes and destroy their business someone might want to seek vindication?

It's only a matter of time before someone gets in contact with some russians or albanians or latinos and take care of you and anyone you're associated with.

You ruin big cashcow businesses. You ruin lives. Don't for a second think there won't be payback.

Sorry, there is no pot/kettle with killing someone... thats just brain dead.

The most important fact also being we have no destroyed anyone business in any illegal way... if you think that deserves killing someone... just proves what kind of person you are... that's your only solution, that's a sad sad thing.

You have put out of business people making hundreds of thousands of dollars per month. A lot of these people are involved in organized crime or are 'connected' one way or another.

If you think you are getting away with what you're doing, you're naive.

Name one business that was making hundreds of thousands per month that he has put out of business.

I would love to know too...

and what would that solve ?:2 cents:

Welcome to Germany!

there is no german based tube site, message board, website or whatever where hardcore content is freely available. you have to dig real deep or it's by german people who operate from outside Germany.

make it like that worldwide and see your revenues go up again :2 cents:

Looks like you forgot Chris Malick who fucked somany people including many mafia organizations yet still walks freely.

How Dumb are you.

This is not about a someone this is about a company. No matter what our differences business wise, I have no personal issue with Nathan. He is a smart guy, trying to make a buck and he has been very successful at doing so. He has proved his credentials time and time again.

I repeat THIS IS NOT PERSONAL! Keep comments like this to yourself, it makes you look like a complete fuckwit.

If I was 15 years old, I'd sit down the street and shoot every one of those windows out with my BB gun. :upsidedow

Nathan,

If I could provide you a service which kept up to 80% of content off your tubes that copyright owners have expressed the desire not to be there , would you use it ?

If no, would you use it if it was industry funded with Manwin contributing 20% of the running cost ?

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you made me :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

knew that was going to happen
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...and nothing ever will.

Don't understand why some people don't invest their time in developing or working on their own products instead of hating and trolling. Pretty lame attitude :2 cents:

My options are open, you forget my objective here. It's to stop Manwin raping content they don't own or have a right to profit from. If any method works then it's a good result.

I have several plans of action, only some discussed here.

I wouldn't place bets on that if I were you :2 cents:

I have been around a long time, I don't play games, especially ones with these stakes,

Hi,

of course we would use it... I would also have no problem funding it with my share based on brazzers and mofos content.

How do you plan to get it to be used by all the sites? You have mine, no worries there, but what about the many other tubes?

So you wouldn't mind your current number of videos being cut to shreds ? If not, I think we need to have a chat, because an interesting idea came up tonight at a dinner I went to with a few friends. It's late here and I am off to bed, I'm happy to have a chat tomorrow if you are willing.

The caveat however is , that if such a system was put in place, you would have no control over it, it would be industry sponsored and operated by an independent third party which would need access to your network. Only that way could there be no accusations of cheating the system.

You overestimate the number of content that will be removed by such a system... greatly.

And obviously nobody is getting access to our systems, that's just insanity if you think we would allow that. That is simple business logic. It causes major liability and legal issues. Being sure nobody can accuse anyone can be done via the right contract setup with audit rights and such.

Also, you do realize that anyone in this industry can fingerprint their videos via Vobile and they will not appear on our tubes?

So if there was a magic database of video fingerprints which ran a subsytem on your backends to instantly remove videos matching those fingerprints you wouldn't do it. You'd prefer to complicate matters by having audits. Any audit can be fudged, and you are slow to remove content and hopeless at preventing it being re-uploaded, then when it is you are slow at removing it again.

I should have known better Nathan, Manwin doesn't want an instant system of removal, it's not in your business plan.

If you want to discuss this on the phone , lets set it up, if not then battle lines will be redrawn.

AK, I have no problem setting up a vobile like solution on top of what we have. But it would not be a black box, it would be an API system just like vobile.

All I am saying is that I can not let a third party into our servers to hack around...

Also, when I talked about audits, I was talking about the fact you wanted a third party to control our servers or change them somehow to be sure its really being done. THAT is what I said we can do in an audit, to verify that the system is being used.

So if we set up an industry run database of content that copyright holders could add their content to, then matched that against content on your tubes, providing you with a method of plugging it into your tube network, which would be able to remove videos and identify repeat offenders uploading such content you'd be ok with that ? If so, we might be able to work something out. Because not everyone can use vobile, however a free system would be more likely to be adopted. The concept would also include search technology which would daily audit your sites for problems, so there would be no easy way for Manwin to cheat such a system.

If we could work something out, would Manwin be willing to join in a coalition of content rights holders to take non compliant tube sites to task ?

Be my guest... no need to talk about this, get the system up, give us the details, we'll use it.

Any content rights holders who have issues with Manwin who are interested in such a system will have the chance to register interest on a web site we will set up tomorrow.

I think we may be getting somewhere. I'll post a thread tomorrow GMT +10 with details of how to pre-register for an industry wide solution to keep your content off Manwin tubes unless you explicitly want it to be there.

For those of you already on my mailing list re: this issue I'll send out a broadcast email tomorrow afternoon GMT +10.

We love you, Nathan ...

I'll take you at your word Nathan, if we can get this rolling then everyone wins. Hopefully if you adopt the system you can also assist bringing other tube sites into line which would generate great goodwill for Manwin.

Am I reading that Nathan is willing to set up affiliate links on "user submitted" content? Or did I completely read that wrong. If he's got millions of hits a day/week/hour whatever ... why WOULDN'T you want to try to work with him and capitalize on it? Your content is just going to continue being stolen anyway.

Then again I'd probably look at it differently if a bunch of my content was being stolen and submitted to tubes, I've only seen a couple dozen message boards with photos I've taken on them, and it didn't really bother me much.

Wow.... I cant believe the post or the user is still on here.

Just a few remarks:
1) The system will need to allow for owners of copyrighted material to upload things themselves since many will want to use our partnership program although they want to make sure only they can upload.
2) The system needs to be for all tubes and not just manwin tubes. We'll be more than happy to be the first ones to use it of course.
3) If we own licenses to content for use on our tubes, even if that content is in such a system as not to be used, we will not follow that system's request.

I agree, it was a stupid , virtually criminal comment. This isn't a game of personal vendettas this is business. Manwin was the issue in this thread, not Nathan personally.

That goes without saying, providing it's rights holders only and not their misguided affiliates.

That's why I suggested you join such a coalition, lets clean up tubes together and bring pressure to bear on those who wont fall into line.

If you own a license for content, presumably the rights holders would not submit it as material to be taken down.

It's late I am going to bed. I'll be posting more on this tomorrow. However this is not just an issue for Manwin anymore, this is now up to you the content rights holders to come on board and participate rather than whine on forums about your content being stolen. If everyone can contribute to such a system then perhaps pervasive changes may be afoot.

And with that , I'm out for the night and will be back tomorrow.

250.

I fail to see how your system would be different than Vobile or why Vobile won't work for everyone?

kristin,

I think his argument is that his system would be free.

Although I doubt it will be in the end, but ok.