For people waiting for our register of interest, it should be online shortly, we had a DNS issue which is being fixed to make the website accessible.

This is hilarious. It's like a kid with a water pistol squaring up to a chieftan tank.

lol mob much?

If I am holding a water pistol at an army tank, then what are the people on my mailing list who would dearly love to fuck Manwin over because of their content being stolen. I have tried to calm the waters and I am trying now to create an industry wide solution, sure I may fall flat on my face and fail, but at least I am trying something. What are you doing ?

This is silly, Vobile does exactly what he is saying already and is on tubes now. Why are you discussing creating another solution that manwin and most other tubes use already? (thanks topbucks)

Yup, those are some big and shiny letters alright! :thumbsup

Then why are so many people complaining that tubes are stealing their content ?

Can you name 20 tube sites using Vobile? Or is Pornhub even using it? I just went to pornhub...looks no different than it did before.

Now i heard and seen it all. Time to retire like Shap

As I said, API is not a problem, anything else will not work, for many many reasons... I do not really see a reason why we need to talk on the phone about this.

PornHub
Spankwire
Tube8
Extremtube
KeezMovies
XTube
(Working on adding it to YouPorn since the day we bought it)
TNAFlix
EmpFlix
YouJizz
JizzHut
The other 2 Jizz tubes
XHamster

That's 13, I am rather sure I am missing a few though.

Why so many people complain? Because they complain that Vobile costs money to fingerprint content. Although per scene it really does not add a lot of costs on top of production.

if you spent more time working on your site and its design then spending hours on your avatar and arguing on gfy then you might have more traffic to your site

LOL Money Money LOL

Is Manwin dead yet?

I have this unbelievable yearning to dance around like a Munchkin and sing "Ding-Dong! The Witch Is Dead."

350 attacks!

Roald, has Manwin made an offer to buy Freeones yet? How much? :)

this thread is spreading like FIRE!

Why do you think so? You have any solid backup for this? Cause if you do I have a reason to continue in this biz ... like I wouldnt anyways :) LOL

Of all sites out there I know of, freeones should be the last one available for sale. Its one of the few that is still making big bucks and the most important part - the site is a sustainable profitable operation :) Then again, everything has its price, but in this case the price should be ridiculously HIGH !!! :)

Rumor has It Roald tried to sell freeones to Fabian for a back-rub and a grilled cheese sammich when he was drunk on cider. :pimp

Nathan,

Just some questions, seeing as you wont let me chat to you on the phone to sort out some issues,

What is your turn around time for a DMCA ?
Do you accept DMCA's by email ?
How many breaches does an uploader have to make to be banned from your tubes ?
What strategies do you employ to prevent repeat publishing of content that has previously been the subject of a DMCA ?

thanks

AK,

1) Can't pin-point it to an exact max number, but 99% of the time, less than 12 hours.

2) Yes

3) It depends on a few things since its automated, but usually 3-strike principle. 3rd strike bans them.

4) we are working on various way to get this done, but its not simple. We are looking into our own fingerprinting tech, until that is done, we can not really do anything (neither is it directly required by DMCA). If you have a suggestion of a good fingerprinting tech I should have my IT team look at among the ones they are already checking, let me know.

Thanks for the replies Fabian. They're helpful in trying to work out an interim solution that fits with your current structures.

This is good reading..

kill illegal tubes. Do whatever you have to in order to throw a wrench in their works.

If some guy can run a tube with stolen content in it and then earn revenue from cams and dating then anyone can.

Hey, what happened to the big Vobile deal? I thought that was supposed to save everybody? :(

Only Jesus can save everyone..

Would you like to be saved this weekend?

I might be able to get a hold of someone that can save you from eternal damnation, but you must act now... the end of times is only a year and a half away... :thumbsup





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We are going to be working on illegal tubes, I saw a post on DP last night that made my blood boil. A Pakistani offering to upload full length videos from to tubes for cash in their Buy & Sell forums. He was cheap too for the time involved in doing so, about $5 - $10 for 10 videos uploaded.

It's time to end this Tube crap and really start putting pressure on hosting companies etc.

Nathan is open to doing the right thing from his end, let's try to get some of the others to follow suit.

The website for registration of interest will be up this weekend, I have had DNS issues with it thanks to one of my lazy tech staff who got a roasting yesterday, I've fixed it, once the DNS has propagated I will make a new thread announcing the site where content owners can register their interest in working toward ending the tube problem, or causing pain to those who don't comply.

Not so easy to read huh?

What you quoted has nothing to do with Vobile. Vobile is up and running on all our tubes. So if the content is tagged by Vobile it will never even go up.

My comment was in regards to content that was NOT tagged by vobile, uploaded, DMCAd and at a later stage uploaded again in part or in full, possibly recut, or slightly altered. Thus making a simple hash algo ineffective in matching it.

Any news?

I thought you guys would be offline by now.


If you're talking about the lazy Mexican mowing my yard, he ain't saving anyone.


Tubes are fairly easy to manage, it's forums and cyber lockers that are a bitch and the most time consuming.

What bothers me the most about tubes is their SEO placement. Fuck Google. Looking forward for the "too big to fail" giant to slip and crumble. No one rules forever.



Hosting companies could put an end to this within a couple of weeks. They won't, because they are greedy, but here is how they could with one simple step:

1) If sites have more than X amount of UNDISPUTED DMCA notices, the account is terminated. Period.

The key is that they have to be undisputed DMCAs. If their client can not produce a license or proof they own the content, after X amount of these, bye-bye.

A fair number would be 10 - 20 undisputed DMCA notices. Or less.

And since they are private companies, they can make any terms they would like and it doesn't have to have anything to do with DMCA law. It is simply company policy.

What is pathetic is, hosting companies are allowing cyber-lockers, forums and tubes to fuck their long term clients in the ass and PROFIT from that ass fucking. I hope the day comes where they can be successfully sued, along with advertisers. Would love to see a lot of these hosting and ad companies lose their ass for the shit they are allowing right now.

Billing companies could do the same.

Greed. That's all it boils down to. That's what it always boils down to.

DWB,

Let's pretend you have a site which gets 1000 pieces of content uploaded each day. Do you still think its fair to shut down the site after 10 undisputed DMCAs?

Honest question.

10 DMCAs, no.

10 undisputed DMCAs, yes. But it can be 20, 50, or even 100. If you're running a site full of other people's content, it will eventually hit whatever number it is. The number doesn't matter so much as the fact that they will get terminated when they hit the limit.

If that means the sites have to hire more people, stop allowing uploads, license more content, or close, so be it. That's not my problem, it's your problem because you want to operate this type of site. For those uploading sponsor content, they can get a license from the sponsor to upload that content, and it would state the terms of use. So someone can't upload full length clips from Met-Art.com if the license only allows for 4 minute clips. No license or proof of ownership = no upload. Redacted 2257 documents would suffice for proof of ownership. It wouldn't be that difficult to do.

I know it will never happen, but it would put an end to the piracy madness for hosted accounts if there was accountability and your business was put on the line.

DWB, you realize that means facebook can close? so can flikr, and any other photo sharing or video sharing site?

youtube too of course..

So you find that a good thing then?

Also, let's say in your example, met-art themself uploads a video. Let's also pretend we have some kind of a procedure where we can verify that they have a license for it, which honestly I find very very hard to do, but ok, if you think so...

Now, let's pretend met-art got the license from producer A, and uploads the video. 2 days later producer A has some issue with met-art and revokes the license. Producer A then DMCA's us to get the video removed.

What now?

Or how about this...

someone gets a video from some site, creates his own website, uploads it there, then sends us a 5 minute trailer for it with a watermark to their website.

The actual owner of the video DMCAs us. What now?

http://images.pimproll.com/images/sc...4/sample_1.jpg
http://images.pimproll.com/images/sc...4/sample_1.jpg
http://images.pimproll.com/images/sc...4/sample_1.jpg
http://images.pimproll.com/images/sc...4/sample_1.jpg
http://images.pimproll.com/images/sc...4/sample_1.jpg

Just because they are huge sites doesn't mean they can just do whatever they want. It's the lack of accountability that has created the problem.

If Facebook, Youtube, and Flickr have to crack down, so be it. I wouldn't lose any sleep if they stopped allowing people to upload content, would you? Even if they had to close, life as we know it would continue.

If everyone has to be mindful of their chargeback ratio, then everyone can be mindful of the content on their sites. How they have to be mindful is not my problem. If you want to have that sort of site, then you also get the responsibility of keeping it clean.

I haven't planned out every detail, but you do raise a valid question.

Say producer A sends you a DMCA but you do have a license, that should not count as an undisputed DCMA. It would only mean you have a license, but the owner now wishes to remove the content. It would be a legit DMCA so long as you can provide the original license.

Sure, it would be painful for sites who allow user submitted content, but being easy is what has us in the current situation.

You and I both know that sooner or later a law will change and this will all come to an end. Maybe not this year, maybe not next year, but there will come a point in time where it will, and then everyone with user submitted content sites will have to deal with the problem at that time anyway.

I have faith that your company would be able to do it. And those who can't, let them fail, or they get bought out by those who can comply.

But like I said, would never happen because hosting companies are greedy (as is everyone else), and it would be impossible to enforce on a global scale because there will always be rogue countries willing to host anything. But for those countries who are responsible, it could nip a lot of the piracy issues right in the ass. Making it difficult to create and maintain a site like yours is why the concept would succeed.

Dwb,

I did not say I have a license and get dmca'd. I say the submitter had one but it gets taken away. We can obviously not notice that, so this somehow does not count either?

So instead of what we have today, you will have people fighting in court about which dmca counts and which does not?

And no, I think photo sharing and such is a valuable asset online.

Also, I think that this kind of law will never be changed, it makes sense online and similar things exist offline.

Keeping to my promise to take this further, a website has been set up to begin the formation of a non-profit association with the aim of combating content theft on tubes and forums.

You can register your interest at www.copycontrol.org

If you wish to become a founding member of the association then an email will be sent out to all people who have registered interest on the 1st of July 2011. The date for a public meeting to formally create the association will be announced in that email.

We hope to webcast that meeting so that people from all over the world may participate.

If you have your content being stolen by forums and tubes, then please register your interest. Those of us already involved are serious about tackling this issue head on, this year.