Fuck SE traffic. Vietnam and Turkey do the best. As in Vietnam and Turkey traffic on your shitty one click tube. Thats right, number one and two countries on that site. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Oh, and lets not forget 0.37% SE.

What you are not telling people is that you bought much more than 27k from me, in fact 70% of your sites traffic is from me. Your site gets about 4k a day with 3k a day coming from me. Strange how most of the traffic you buy from me your not running thru a linking url, just sending it straight to your site. Your reasoning for doing this is?


http://www.chokertraffic.com/screenshots/screenshot.gif

LOL! Funny how retards value alexa for their intel hahaha. Noob.

I guess gfy.com is all Uruguay and Hungary too. Damn, you make yourself look more ridicilous everytime you post boy.

Go get your fake nick to mommy, she wants her basement back :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Dude give it up. The stats are more then clear. I explained it how many times now? 5-6 times?

You got exactly what you wanted me to prove. There is no way around it, no dancing, no tippietoeing out of this one choker..

I dont have to explain anything, the numbers are up there for everyone to see. Go to bed, and make up some other excuses about this part of your traffic tommorow im sure you can give it another try.

Im not comparing the conversion here, or the sales (if any) im making of your total traffic. That will be a whole different thread believe me. When the time comes, and you have send me ALL you owe me, i will be so polite to post those stats too, dont you worry about that at all :1orglaugh:1orglaugh Untill that time is there, this is what you asked me to prove. And this is the proof being posted.

Cant handle it? To fucking bad, shouldnt have asked it, i warned you you wouldnt want me to post the stats, now go cry me a river. Ask your fake fucks here to back you up, maybe they can call you and give you a shoulder to cry on.

Just finishing up a 30k U.S. traffic test campaign from Traffic Holder and the results are disappointing. Choker won't let me give him a PayPal deposit for testing. Purchased traffic is a waste of time.

Not all purchased traffic.

This traffic, yes, this is crap beyond any level of crappyness. To be honest, i never checked and saw anything worse then this portion of the traffic im getting from choker.

Someone explain something to me please about this screenshot:

http://www.iblametubes.com/c1.JPG

Why is "MeganFoxxx" in the URL?

It seems to me that 99.99999% of any traffic with this keyword will be from people looking for "Megan Fox" so of course the bounce rate would be extremely high. It doesn't matter if people are coming to this site looking for Megan Fox or people leaving a site with a model named "Megan Foxxx", this is guaranteed to be useless traffic.

selling traffic does not pay the bills. all traffic sellers are affiliates too. they have all tested their traffic on different sponsors, landing pages, and ads and they never sell converting traffic.

just my :2 cents: not knocking any traffic broker in particular..

i like all these screenshots from both sides btw. although i think the thread is a little too agro to be professional. try acting like cursing, insulting fools in a real office and see how long you guys last. this thread could produce results if everybody wasn't being dickheads..

its called a name. People have names. some people have the same or similar name. :winkwink:

Oh what a charmingly delightful little spat you two ladies are having. I suggest meeting for a couple of appletinis and working all this dreadful business out. Toodles .....

My question was, Why was the name in the URL?

Here's my point.

If there is a gallery of images somewhere of a girl named "Megan Foxxx", it's extremely likely that most of the traffic to this gallery is bad because it is mostly coming from searches or links for "Megan Fox".

Therefore, the traffic on this page is already low quality because people found "Megan Foxxx", not "Megan Fox". By "Bad Traffic", I mean pissed-off people who have been misdirected to that page.

Now, let's assume that people on this page saw a text link for exactly what they were looking for on Jack Sparrow's website. JAck's site would have a hard time converting this pissed off customer, wouldn't you agree?

Considering the very high bounce rate, this has to be at least one of the things going on with this traffic.

Trolls deserve nothing more then that to be honest.

And yeah, i act like this when someone behaves in my office, in real life too. If they cant handle it they can go work for 50% less at the local coffeeshop.

No offense to you btw, i catch what you are saying :thumbsup

ya but this isnt SE traffic and the visitor didn't have a choice to go there. they were auto redirected from a Choker site. Jack is basically testing different redirect traffic on various cam model pages. the Megan Fox reference is irrelevant.

the focus should be on finding the right type of traffic to send to the right landing page or banner. Choker has a lot of traffic options. popunders are my particular favorite.

one thing i learned is redirect traffic from tgps, tubes and cam sites do not convert at paysites. Jack is doing a test campaign to see if Choker traffic converts with cams.

as with any market testing, it is expensive and yields poor results until you figure out what type of traffic converts for what site. you can't do a complete evaluation for a few hundred $$. a professional company like Manwin probably spends over $1k a day on marketing.

No its not like that at all.

The traffic is send through chokers system to a reflink that redirects the click to a live cam show of one of the girls in the network.

He isnt sending it with a textlink or anything. Im not even sure how these sites are sending it to be honest.

But the fact remains, that the time on site is 0:00 so even it was misleading they wouldnt even be able to know because they didnt even see the site load.

So that means its not the site itself, its the portion of traffic of the sites/traffic choker is sending me traffic from. If its not the sites itself, its chokers system. Either way, point still is that there is something definatly not good with this.

Well then, there ya fuckin' go.

Thanks for confirming what I've suspected all along. They exploit their good traffic and sell the shit.

:Oh crap

You are kind of misrepresenting the stats there.

0 time on site does not mean that they did not let the site load. It means that they only visitied one page and ga can't tell how long they spent on site.

From Google Analytics Support: http://www.google.com/support/forum/...ed9f8fe8&hl=en

The answer to this question should be on par with an inability to analyze stats from GA/Urchin as well . . .

wow ,this traffic is really sucks

If buying traffic made people more money then the cost of the traffic, then why do those people not buy all of it and get rich?

bottom line, nobody would sell productive traffic...

Hi PK,

Ok sorry, I didn't realize that Jack knew that all of this was redirect.

On a related note, we NEVER buy redirected traffic. I hate it when I'm redirected. I close my browser and never, ever click thru no matter what the deal is. I assume most surfers are like me and would do the same thing, so redirects, pop-up/unders, spam, are all worthless to me.

Lots of reasons:

- It's expensive
- It's a gamble
- Market conditions change
- Content changes
- It takes time to convert surfers into buyers
- Not all surfers are buyers
- What's hot today is cold tomorrow
- What's new today is on tubes tomorrow.

etc..

This thread is on fire.

On a sidenote, i just watched my first orca/killer whale in real life. From the private jacuzzi on the porch of the cabin. Canada fucking rules!

doesn't he send traffic from his network of skim tubes like this?

http://www.thesextubesite.com/

looks like 100% skim.

Amen brutha.

Holy shit i dont hope so. Thats some nice sherlocking right there,
If thats considered US_PREMIUM i dont know what anything not premium would look like to be honest,

Maybe choker can clear up what is considered premium, because people, especially newbs, will consider something sold for $4/k high quality and not something skimmed and from a site like that.

not much detective work, just an example from choker's traffic site. though would explain the high bounce if so.

clicked a thumb and took me to:

http://www.myfreeporncams.com/cam/Ju...=1&AFNO=choker

so yeah must be one of the sources.

55 secs on site time is about right from what Ive seen for skim. The real q is are you going to turn a profit on your $400 longterm incl rebills? I doubt it but those are the stats that will be the most telling.

Which maybe isnt really fair to skim brokers as everyone I have ever asked about this has said they never try to sell skim directly to a paysite. But I know some are doing it. Have to be.

But the numbers will be interesting. Maybe you will come close to breaking even which would be very good really. And maybe not.

What guys want to see is what a lot of skim does sales and $$ wise to a cam site.

Thanks for an interesting thread Jack :thumbsup

That is the whole problem. Everybody's US or Premium Country skim is at about $3.5-$4K. Which is just too high to make a profit. If it was half that, maybe it could be converted at a profit by more wms and more would be sold.

To those who say, "someone is buying it". Somewhat true but there is way more available as a year back like 5+ times in many niches and types.

There is always another new wm who throws his/her couple hundie away is part of what is supporting it.

If the price were half at maybe $2/K premium and stuff like no refer, no cookie were maybe $0.5/k maybe more would sell.

There is a ton available.

Choker has indeed kept to his word, I notice that 3 WL Cam sites, 1 Blog/Directory and www.meetprofiles.com have all been approved. Now if only he'd take Paypal or a credit card that didn't involve getting anywhere near Alertpay.

Choker, how do most Aussie's pay you ? A $100 limit on payments via credit card(alertpay) is quite low.

Just went and checked out the all time analytics for some of my sites, millions and millions of hits and never had a single 0 time on site or 100% bounce hit, NOT A SINGLE ONE. That's fucked up, and highly deserves an explanation or investigation by YOU. Even for your own good.

Everyone please go form your own opinion by loading your analytics and trying to find any hits to your site(s) that have 0 time on site and/or 100% bounce rate. Go ahead, we'll wait.

Other than that, he posted the overall stats for your traffic and made a [good] point of showing the 6% of it that didn't even register (zero) and was so fucked up it broke records of horribleness. 6% of what he was charged for basically doesn't exist. Shit I would honestly rather you pocket 6% of my deposit than receive some shady shit like that, oh wait you also already take a % for deposit (for understandable reasons).

I'm very unbiased, which is why I'm against you or him at times, but this is clearly fucked up. I personally don't care how shitty the traffic performs because I know most skimmed traffic is utter garbage, but when 6% of what you send performs in such a bad way that it seems impossible, like I said, it definitely deserves some explanation. I would really rather not add to the negativity of someones business but those stats are clearly SO fucked up. WTF? I've stopped my orders and probably just going to take the small deposit back unless you can come up with some kind of reasonable explanation for that wild ass shit man.. I want to test the traffic out and form my own opinion but if shit like that is going on I'd rather not waste my time or money.

Interesting note: it's more like 6.66% :o - is it traffic from dead people? I keed.

Sorry, for flaming or whatever but this thread just really pissed me off.

What a fucking moron loooooooooooool. And you seriously said that the OP owned himself in the thread? Jesus christ kid...

Hey fakenick1000, have you ever bought traffic from him and looked at the sites it comes from? I'll answer for you: no. Fucking retard, get lost.

OMG someone gets it finally! Keep the good traffic and sell the rest. If you want to buy good traffic you've got to remove the middlemen. I'll let you figure out where you buy traffic without a middleman, since that's half the battle.


Most of the traffic for sale is from sites like that and duplicates of sites like that. Whether they are his no idea. But if so that just pisses me off more.


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I skim traffic to paysites, I run popunders, redirects, I buy traffic to pages that are skimming and running popunders, etc etc, and there are [profitable] conversions. I've even posted stats plenty of times. You can most definitely buy traffic and not waste your time and/or money. Saying otherwise is just proving YOU weren't successful at it. No shame in that, just try again. Probably a good idea to do it different the next time around though.

If it could be converted for a profit by everyone, then it would not be for sale!

He makes a good point (Vjo), skimmed traffic brokers sell is far far too expensive for almost anyone to turn a profit. Keyword almost. But the tired saying of "broker traffic doesnt convert or it wouldnt be for sale" is simply incorrect.

Agreed :) All traffic converts just that it must also make a profit and since there is like 5 times less buyers at most skim brokers compared to 1-2 years ago, then maybe it is overpriced.

I can make profit on skim also Jakez but it is very marginal right now and way too difficult overall. I think most of the traffic that is not sold is sent back isnt it?

Maybe it is better to sell 3 times as much in a day at 60% of the price. (1.8 unit sold vs 1 unit) Seems a waste all that traffic is not sold.

But that is where my contribution ends. I dont have knowledge on all the other factors such as IF any of the real premium traffic IS siphoned off to the owners as hinted in this thread.

It prob is. Wouldnt you take it if you owned a big skim broker network. It is all based on productivity and redirects so it would be easy to take the best productive traffic.

But even that doesnt matter if in the end of a cmpn you make money on a well honed site. You can hitbot me 20% if the other 80% makes money.

But the nature of a skimmed surfer generally makes ratios into the 1:10,000s which at almost 1/2 cent per visitor is just too high to make money.

Which is what I am waiting for Jack Sparrow to post.. $$$ made. :)

Sorry just seen this. :) That is a good point. Very good point.

I guess the cream rises to the top and not everyone in the world should step right in and make money. There is def competition at play here. Which is good I suppose.

This is also why guys with tons of traffic like Choker sell their traffic to guys who specialize in converting it. In essence it is the old two heads are better than one. One generates traffic. One converts it. And one developes content. And one developes tours. And one runs paysites. And one hosts. ect.

It takes a village. :) It really does.

People check TRAFFIC SHOP, i have people in total under me buying this yr traffic for more than 10k$... So it's traffic that is worth to them! Buy traffic there...

show me the money!

jack sparrow, u really fucked ur bouce rate by buying this traffic.

Last time I bought traffic the 3 major traffic brokers all had the same shitty time on site and bounce rate as being discussed in this thread.

Have a great week everyone ...

My granddaughters are waiting on me to take them to Disney today so I'll be quick.

Jack is NOT SHOWING all the stats. What he is showing is only 1/3rd that shows 94% bounce rate. What he is not showing is the other 2/3rd that he's buying thats obviously around 85% bounce rate. If anyone that knows our history thinks he is showing the real stats here then your a idiot. Only 1/3rd of the traffic he is buying is going thru the "choker" url, the rest is going straight to his site. Now by looking at his stats anyone can see that the other 2/3rds he is geting from me is much better bounce rate or his sites average bounce rate would be much much lower. 75% of his sites traffic is fro me.

Jack agreed to test 5 different brokers at the same time to a non whitelabel site, he broke his word and this is his "test" after I told him that 4 other people are also buying to the exact same brand of whitelabel. The traffic he is buying from me is LEFTOVER unsold traffic, it has already been to at least 10 different buyers in the last 30 days, this is the lowest quality US traffic I have, the fact that I can get $4 for it has nothing to do with anything, the market dictates this price, some people pay up to $10 per k for the best US traffic.

NO HE DID NOT post the overall stats, he posted 1/3rd of them, you are welcome to a full refund of funds you did not use at any time. And no I don't take a % of deposit. If you honestly think Frisky is showing the real stats then you are more than welcome to a refund from me. Do you realize that becasue of me Frisky lost probably 100k in income? that this is why he is so hell bent on discrediting me.

Yep! Indeed confirmed. Clicked some links around and it took me to my own site. Thats totally fucked up. I wonder if this is one of chokers sites. If so, i want to see all of them.

Is that how biz is run these days?

Slap on a shitty page with misleading thumbs, buy traffic, run it through this page, and sell that as us_premium for $4/k ??

Wow. Just when i thought it couldnt get more fucked up..

Jakez already said it wasnt the total percentage of what you sent me. Dont try to fool him with a numbers game because it still is more then clear this portion of traffic you are selling me is pretty damn weird.

Instead of attacking me, and cry about other traffic, you SHOULD be explaining WHY i get this premium traffic from you. And WHY it looks like there is something fishy going on, but you cant huh? Because the people IN this thread know theres something wrong! You CANT explain it, because you know too!

Btw. You cost me 100k? Lol, hows that?

hey i was just in there looking at available traffic.

i didn't see any info box that said the traffic was fed thru 10 brokers before you sold it.

can you enlighten me where this is indicated on the choker buy page?

(after Disney of course)

This has already been posted, but it doesnt help you discredit me so you ignore it

http://www.google.com/support/forum/...ed9f8fe8&hl=en

The way that Google Analytics calculates average time on site is by subtracting the timestamps between the first and the last pageview of a visit. If a visitor to your site bounced, they by definition only had one pageview. Therefore it is impossible to calculate an average time on site for visitors that bounced because they did not have a second pageview. There is no way for Google Analytics to know exactly when a visitor left the site since no information is sent back to GA when the visitor closes their browser or navigates to a different site.