55 secs on site time is about right from what Ive seen for skim. The real q is are you going to turn a profit on your $400 longterm incl rebills? I doubt it but those are the stats that will be the most telling.

Which maybe isnt really fair to skim brokers as everyone I have ever asked about this has said they never try to sell skim directly to a paysite. But I know some are doing it. Have to be.

But the numbers will be interesting. Maybe you will come close to breaking even which would be very good really. And maybe not.

What guys want to see is what a lot of skim does sales and $$ wise to a cam site.

Thanks for an interesting thread Jack :thumbsup

That is the whole problem. Everybody's US or Premium Country skim is at about $3.5-$4K. Which is just too high to make a profit. If it was half that, maybe it could be converted at a profit by more wms and more would be sold.

To those who say, "someone is buying it". Somewhat true but there is way more available as a year back like 5+ times in many niches and types.

There is always another new wm who throws his/her couple hundie away is part of what is supporting it.

If the price were half at maybe $2/K premium and stuff like no refer, no cookie were maybe $0.5/k maybe more would sell.

There is a ton available.

Choker has indeed kept to his word, I notice that 3 WL Cam sites, 1 Blog/Directory and www.meetprofiles.com have all been approved. Now if only he'd take Paypal or a credit card that didn't involve getting anywhere near Alertpay.

Choker, how do most Aussie's pay you ? A $100 limit on payments via credit card(alertpay) is quite low.

Just went and checked out the all time analytics for some of my sites, millions and millions of hits and never had a single 0 time on site or 100% bounce hit, NOT A SINGLE ONE. That's fucked up, and highly deserves an explanation or investigation by YOU. Even for your own good.

Everyone please go form your own opinion by loading your analytics and trying to find any hits to your site(s) that have 0 time on site and/or 100% bounce rate. Go ahead, we'll wait.

Other than that, he posted the overall stats for your traffic and made a [good] point of showing the 6% of it that didn't even register (zero) and was so fucked up it broke records of horribleness. 6% of what he was charged for basically doesn't exist. Shit I would honestly rather you pocket 6% of my deposit than receive some shady shit like that, oh wait you also already take a % for deposit (for understandable reasons).

I'm very unbiased, which is why I'm against you or him at times, but this is clearly fucked up. I personally don't care how shitty the traffic performs because I know most skimmed traffic is utter garbage, but when 6% of what you send performs in such a bad way that it seems impossible, like I said, it definitely deserves some explanation. I would really rather not add to the negativity of someones business but those stats are clearly SO fucked up. WTF? I've stopped my orders and probably just going to take the small deposit back unless you can come up with some kind of reasonable explanation for that wild ass shit man.. I want to test the traffic out and form my own opinion but if shit like that is going on I'd rather not waste my time or money.

Interesting note: it's more like 6.66% :o - is it traffic from dead people? I keed.

Sorry, for flaming or whatever but this thread just really pissed me off.

What a fucking moron loooooooooooool. And you seriously said that the OP owned himself in the thread? Jesus christ kid...

Hey fakenick1000, have you ever bought traffic from him and looked at the sites it comes from? I'll answer for you: no. Fucking retard, get lost.

OMG someone gets it finally! Keep the good traffic and sell the rest. If you want to buy good traffic you've got to remove the middlemen. I'll let you figure out where you buy traffic without a middleman, since that's half the battle.


Most of the traffic for sale is from sites like that and duplicates of sites like that. Whether they are his no idea. But if so that just pisses me off more.


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I skim traffic to paysites, I run popunders, redirects, I buy traffic to pages that are skimming and running popunders, etc etc, and there are [profitable] conversions. I've even posted stats plenty of times. You can most definitely buy traffic and not waste your time and/or money. Saying otherwise is just proving YOU weren't successful at it. No shame in that, just try again. Probably a good idea to do it different the next time around though.

If it could be converted for a profit by everyone, then it would not be for sale!

He makes a good point (Vjo), skimmed traffic brokers sell is far far too expensive for almost anyone to turn a profit. Keyword almost. But the tired saying of "broker traffic doesnt convert or it wouldnt be for sale" is simply incorrect.

Agreed :) All traffic converts just that it must also make a profit and since there is like 5 times less buyers at most skim brokers compared to 1-2 years ago, then maybe it is overpriced.

I can make profit on skim also Jakez but it is very marginal right now and way too difficult overall. I think most of the traffic that is not sold is sent back isnt it?

Maybe it is better to sell 3 times as much in a day at 60% of the price. (1.8 unit sold vs 1 unit) Seems a waste all that traffic is not sold.

But that is where my contribution ends. I dont have knowledge on all the other factors such as IF any of the real premium traffic IS siphoned off to the owners as hinted in this thread.

It prob is. Wouldnt you take it if you owned a big skim broker network. It is all based on productivity and redirects so it would be easy to take the best productive traffic.

But even that doesnt matter if in the end of a cmpn you make money on a well honed site. You can hitbot me 20% if the other 80% makes money.

But the nature of a skimmed surfer generally makes ratios into the 1:10,000s which at almost 1/2 cent per visitor is just too high to make money.

Which is what I am waiting for Jack Sparrow to post.. $$$ made. :)

Sorry just seen this. :) That is a good point. Very good point.

I guess the cream rises to the top and not everyone in the world should step right in and make money. There is def competition at play here. Which is good I suppose.

This is also why guys with tons of traffic like Choker sell their traffic to guys who specialize in converting it. In essence it is the old two heads are better than one. One generates traffic. One converts it. And one developes content. And one developes tours. And one runs paysites. And one hosts. ect.

It takes a village. :) It really does.

People check TRAFFIC SHOP, i have people in total under me buying this yr traffic for more than 10k$... So it's traffic that is worth to them! Buy traffic there...

show me the money!

jack sparrow, u really fucked ur bouce rate by buying this traffic.

Last time I bought traffic the 3 major traffic brokers all had the same shitty time on site and bounce rate as being discussed in this thread.

Have a great week everyone ...

My granddaughters are waiting on me to take them to Disney today so I'll be quick.

Jack is NOT SHOWING all the stats. What he is showing is only 1/3rd that shows 94% bounce rate. What he is not showing is the other 2/3rd that he's buying thats obviously around 85% bounce rate. If anyone that knows our history thinks he is showing the real stats here then your a idiot. Only 1/3rd of the traffic he is buying is going thru the "choker" url, the rest is going straight to his site. Now by looking at his stats anyone can see that the other 2/3rds he is geting from me is much better bounce rate or his sites average bounce rate would be much much lower. 75% of his sites traffic is fro me.

Jack agreed to test 5 different brokers at the same time to a non whitelabel site, he broke his word and this is his "test" after I told him that 4 other people are also buying to the exact same brand of whitelabel. The traffic he is buying from me is LEFTOVER unsold traffic, it has already been to at least 10 different buyers in the last 30 days, this is the lowest quality US traffic I have, the fact that I can get $4 for it has nothing to do with anything, the market dictates this price, some people pay up to $10 per k for the best US traffic.

NO HE DID NOT post the overall stats, he posted 1/3rd of them, you are welcome to a full refund of funds you did not use at any time. And no I don't take a % of deposit. If you honestly think Frisky is showing the real stats then you are more than welcome to a refund from me. Do you realize that becasue of me Frisky lost probably 100k in income? that this is why he is so hell bent on discrediting me.

Yep! Indeed confirmed. Clicked some links around and it took me to my own site. Thats totally fucked up. I wonder if this is one of chokers sites. If so, i want to see all of them.

Is that how biz is run these days?

Slap on a shitty page with misleading thumbs, buy traffic, run it through this page, and sell that as us_premium for $4/k ??

Wow. Just when i thought it couldnt get more fucked up..

Jakez already said it wasnt the total percentage of what you sent me. Dont try to fool him with a numbers game because it still is more then clear this portion of traffic you are selling me is pretty damn weird.

Instead of attacking me, and cry about other traffic, you SHOULD be explaining WHY i get this premium traffic from you. And WHY it looks like there is something fishy going on, but you cant huh? Because the people IN this thread know theres something wrong! You CANT explain it, because you know too!

Btw. You cost me 100k? Lol, hows that?

hey i was just in there looking at available traffic.

i didn't see any info box that said the traffic was fed thru 10 brokers before you sold it.

can you enlighten me where this is indicated on the choker buy page?

(after Disney of course)

This has already been posted, but it doesnt help you discredit me so you ignore it

http://www.google.com/support/forum/...ed9f8fe8&hl=en

The way that Google Analytics calculates average time on site is by subtracting the timestamps between the first and the last pageview of a visit. If a visitor to your site bounced, they by definition only had one pageview. Therefore it is impossible to calculate an average time on site for visitors that bounced because they did not have a second pageview. There is no way for Google Analytics to know exactly when a visitor left the site since no information is sent back to GA when the visitor closes their browser or navigates to a different site.

Frisky trolling, manipulating shit and lying through his teeth again.

What else is new.

just tested it: there was a girl sitting on the couch, but it took 35 seconds for the page to load and the girl to appear.

you have been pretty outraged and aggressive during this 1-2 months broker test. however it is starting to seem like you accomplished something valuable for the industry.

• skim sites owned by traffic brokers
• traffic brokers reselling unsold inventory from other brokers
• 0 bounce rate in GA is misleading
• traffic brokers use the best traffic for their own campaigns

I guess you have to promote better program otherwise stop buying traffic!

Didnt say it was sold thru 10 other brokers, all traffic is sold in a series of backups, premium 1rst spot is just that, first spot, 2nd spot is unsold 1rst spot traffic, etc etc. Many brokers will name these niches mix, ie at some other brokers mix is unsold traffic from thousands of different domains, it may have been thru 1 buyer already it might have been thru 20 already, meaning the same surfer may have went to other buyers sites before yours in the last 30 days.

why does any designer worth shit not spend his time building sites for himself instead of designing sites for other people?

why does any affiliate worth shit not build his own pay sites instead of sending his traffic to other people's pay sites?

why does any content shooter worth shit not spend his time building his own paysites instead of selling the content to others?

... it's called division of labor and the law of comparative advantage.:winkwink:

Broker test> no it's not a broker test, he agreed to buy from 5 different brokers at same time to same site, he did not, he is showing PARTIAL stats of my traffic, not showing the better quality that has lower bounce rate, he's manipulating data to achieve his goal of discrediting me, if you don't see that then I don't know what to say to you. He is trying his best to say that I am sending fake traffic to buyers, manipulating and twisting data, did you really expect anything else from someone who after 9 years in this business only has a 4 k a day whitelabel cam site to show for all his work?

ok i understand how the premium 1st spot works. that wasn't my question. i refer you to your own words:

my question has not changed. where do YOU specifically mark that an available buy was previously (un)sold by another broker?

or is all of your traffic bought from other brokers?

because what i am seeing from this thread is that you either buy your traffic from brokers - which means anything of value has been skimmed off it more than once - or you resell skims from your own skim sites.

tell me what i am missing here? ..or hopefully that i am wrong.

ok then it is a CHOKER test. the results are the same. they show production of YOUR traffic.

now hopefully you can get over the 5-way test issue and focus on the problems with your traffic.

some of us are trying to sell this shit..

Choker choker choker.

Why are you avoiding everyones questions in this thread, deflecting and attacking me to get the focus on me instead of the traffic you are selling. Some called it more then just shady, but its at least misleading, dont you agree? Answer the questions, explain yourself, its not about me or my company. Its YOURS thats being discussed here.

Do you deny the site posted by agent488 is yours?
How did you cost me 100k in income? That would be interesting to know?

What part of he is not showing all the stats don't you understand? He is showing 1/3rd of the traffic results and is HAND PICKING to show traffic with a higher bounce rate, he is not showing the 2/3rd of the traffic with the lower bounce rate. Problems with my traffic? Who are you again?

Deflecting> why dont you answer the simple question of why are you only showing stats for 1/3rd of what I'm sending? Next your gonna say there are no upgrades, when in other threads you said there were a few? You are very amusing, you know damed well how i cost you so much money, don't you?

I did not say it was unsold by another broker, why are you manipulating my words, i said it was probably sent to several other buyers in the last 30 days befrore it was sent to him. Where does google mark on adwords that the same surfer has clicked on other adwords 10 times in the last 30 days? Where does anyone selling banner spots say surfers have clicked on 10 other banners in the last month. Should I also list every site surfers have visited in the last 30 days on every traffic type I have? talk about reaching, your jsut trying to dig something up arent you?

Why? The phrase "teenage sex" or "teen sex" is probably one of the most used in promoting the teen niche. Perhaps you are in the wrong business if that domain worries you.

Here we go again lol. We are alllll manipulating his words. Choker, did you miss my screenshot of YOUR site explaining your premium traffic? I guess i made that myself too right?

Bad, bad excuses.

Please answer this:

How did you cost me 100k in income?
Is the site mentioned by agent488 yours?
Are you buying traffic from other brokers and sending it to sites like this, selling it as us_premium?

If you are so open and honest, these questions should be easy to answer right?

You really think so ? :winkwink:

this link: http://www.myfreeporncams.com/signup...r&smid=5844870

is not loading on my end...

Loading perfectly fine.

You can't answer the question of why you are only showing stats of 1/3rd of the traffic you are buying from me, if you are so open and honest, this question should be easy to answer right?

yes the site is mine, yes I buy from other brokers (1rst spots) and most is filtered thru my sites before selling to others. What's your point on this? Brokers buy from each other all the time, have been forever. I have one broker buying $2000 worth of traffic a day from me right now and reselling to others. SO fucking what. What does this have to do with anything. I'd rather sell $2000 a day to a broker with $200 profit than 10 different buyers with $400 profit, less admin time and expenses for me.