I think this topic has a potential to top Paul Markham's ownage.
How about complete stats kiddo.
You can save your 0.37% of SE stats. We already seen those. :1orglaugh

Hi Jack,

Ok this is interesting... why did you buy it then?

Whenever I buy traffic, I always asked for managed traffic, and make sure to tell whoever I am buying it from that it is a test purchase, and that I will buy more if it works out well for us.

In my opinion, the traffic seller has to really know his traffic, and is therefore the best person to manage the traffic. With a little management work on their end, they can keep a good customer for months of not years.

Buying unmanaged traffic is just gambling. Might as well bet it all on craps.

Since Frisky wont post the REAL stats I did some digging and have them for everyone to see.

But first let me point out the two different pages he bought to, He did indeed buy 27876 hits to this page http://www.myfreeporncams.com/export...e/?AFNO=choker

Now this url is supposed to go to a random online now girls page, When I click it i go to
http://www.myfreeporncams.com/cam/Ma...=1&AFNO=choker which does not show w girl online it shows this text

Loading Marie_Amore's chat...
MyFreePornCams is loading the Flash client. This may take a moment.

And after 10 minutes it still shows this text and still has not loaded.

I close the window and click it again and i get http://www.myfreeporncams.com/cam/Ja...=1&AFNO=choker

Loading Marie_Amore's chat...

MyFreePornCams is loading the Flash client. This may take a moment.

Same thing here, no live random cam feed even after 10 minutes, I clicked 8 more times and its the same thing all 8 times. No wander its 100% bounce rate. Now lets get into the real stats that Frisky is afraid to post.............................

Ok, so to recap he bought 27876 hits to this page which is suppsoed to be a random online now girl http://www.myfreeporncams.com/export...e/?AFNO=choker but only works half the time. I'm sure after this post Frisky will fix it so it will work all the time.

Now he posted stats on this url buy and said the bounce rate is 94.29% which with it not working half the time I believe.

What he doesnt want anyone to know is that he also bought 45,969 hits to this page http://www.myfreeporncams.com/ notice there is no tracking url? It goes straight to his page with no way to track the pergormance. Why is that? Strange isn't it?

By looking at his stats he posted we can tell that during this time frame his site recieved the following hits

27876 from me via http://www.myfreeporncams.com/export...e/?AFNO=choker
45969 from me via http://www.myfreeporncams.com/
1290 from oneclicktube.com
260 from search engines

75385 from known sources, 95000 total so theres another 20k he got that I have no idea where it's from.

If anyone doesn't realize what's going on here, this page http://www.myfreeporncams.com/export...e/?AFNO=choker
supposedly had a bounce rate of 94% which I believe, but the other traffic I sent to his main page had to have a bounce rate of around 80%.

So basically what Frisky has done here is shown YOU the page that did bad because it DOESNT FUCKING WORK HALF THE TIME and refused to show you stats of the page that did better.

He also accused me of selling questionable traffic because he doesnt know how to read google analytics.

:Oh crap

Hi mark,

You are right but i knew from the getgo that choker wouldnt manage the buy. Honestly, i gave him plenty of warning before i bought his traffic that i would be posting all stats on gfy. He is telling everyone his "managed" traffic is the bomb, but ive never seen it happen, which says enough to me.

He already admitted after being outed, that this so called US_PREMIUM traffic has been redirected up to 10 times through various sites. Looking at just one of these questionable sites, i can only wonder how the others are. Or even if there is even 1 real site from someone else than choker in his system sending this traffic.

He also admitted to buying a lot of traffic from other brokers.

So how does chokertraffic work?

He buys cheap skim cj traffic from other brokers, then sends it through a funnel of questionable sites/domains, so it looks like its all coming from different publishers/site owners? So we cant track down the original source? And selling it as premium to unknowing webmasters?

He now pretends everyone can know this traffic is leftover crap from others. Yet in his system its made to look like you are buying hq traffic for $4/k. Nothing about unsold, redirected 10 times, leftover skim from others or filtering through his own network of cj sites. No wonder it doesnt perform, it would never ever perform no matter how you manage it. Sending a surfer from one fake thumb to up to 10 different sites with fake thumbs while pretending and selling it as premium traffic? Sure doesnt sound really honest to me. And im putting it lightly.

Others in this thread have called it downright shady, especially with the texts used on his site to sell this.

It doesnt come as a big surprise to me, after 9 years ive seen it all. Why i went ahead and bought his traffic anyway?

Because he was constantly boasting about his traffic, and even dared to take on webcam companies with the purpose of showing how bad THEY are.

Shouldnt throw rocks in the glass house. His dare came boomeranging back in epic proportions and this is just part 1 of me reporting on chokers traffic quality (or the lack of it).

I'll be reviewing a lot more brokers btw. And i will be posting abput the good and bad things. Its just that atm, there isnt much good to say about this portion of chokers traffic.

And i will keep posting this questiom too: choker posted in this thread he was the reason i lost 100k of income. He better be explaining about this statement soon before i turn it up a notch.

I can be very friendly, but also very agressive in my postings. But it always has a reason.

@choker: you can deflect all you want. That referlink is working and is not something made up by me. It comes straight from streamate.

And another thing, i indeed did NOT post your other stats, YET. Believe me, i will when the campaign is finished.

The fact remains, even after your twisting with urls and dancing around the REAL issue here: the traffic sent to this url is very very questionable. Even when its just 6% of the total you sent up till now. Imagine what that mean for someone buying millions of this traffic and paying that much for crap filtered through these bullshit cj's. You boast about selling millions/billions of traffic, you might wanna explain why its sent like that pretending it to be premium.

All your little twisting around means shit, YOU are the one responsible for the crap you are pulling here.

A couple of us mentioned that back a few pages ago.

Frisky I'll give crecit where credit is due. You are a master manupilater on a bbs board. I have never seen anyone as good as you at twisting what people say into what you want them to say.

Outed for what? you are buying geo-us traffic, it does not say premium, look in your stats. What does it say? It says geo_us. You lie and lie, I never said it was redirected, one more time, I said it was prolly already sent to 10 other buyers in the last 30 days. How can you possibly say the traffic you are buying is crap when 75% of your sites traffic is from me? You can't, but being the master manipulater you do and make it look good. Your comment about my trip to Disney? Yeah I'll admit you ruined that for me and my grand daughters, we cut it short, are you proud of yourself? How does that make you feel? Like a BIG man? You like ruining things for a family because you don't have a family, NOBODY would tolerate such a evil manipulative person such as you. Your lies and manipulation has not gone unnoticed. You have manipulated, lied, whithheld information about this just like I knew you would. I feel sorry for you. To be this miserable and bitter? WOW

Its not my biz ethics on the line here, its yours. If that ruined your trip im sorry, but you are the one who demanded proof right away and i did.

Your feeling sad and sorry for yourself, stop acting like this is premium traffic. Btw. It said US_PREMIUM before ;)

Oh and btw. So i have to feel sorry for your little trip to disneyland, but you stated you had cost me 100k in income a couple of times in this thread. Guess its all giving no taking it up like a man huh? Care to explain the folks here how you cost me 100k of income?

I bet you dont dare to say.

Im off for a nice trip to the falls, and believe me without any reason to feel sorry for anyone. Guess thats the big difference between you and me. I can provide proof within minutes, while its taking you days to figure out some excuses and fixing lie after lie in this thread.

Go figure that one out genius.

Proof of what? You provided proof that my unsold remnent us traffic is around 85% bounce rate on a streamate whitelabel and that 75% of your traffic is from me. You also proved that you are not above accusing someone of fake traffic due to your inability to read google analytics. My biz ethics are fine, your the one that didn't show all the stats, only the ones that do indeed make my traffic look bad. A ethical person would have showed them all, don't you think?

Le sigh...

Yet he doesn't want to show the rest of the stats despite multiple requests from other people. Oh yes, those are all fake nicks, unlike Marco and eastwood that "work" for this cyber idiot. Thing is that original bet was to compare 5 traffic brokers side to side and let everyone know who has better traffic. Instead, he continued his obsession with choker and once againg proved to be penniless and brainless imbecile :2 cents:

Tell me about it. So lets recap this thread.

Frisky buys traffic from me, sends to two different urls, one of which 50% of the time the page it redirects to says "loading chat please wait", yet never loads chat and just hangs like this
http://www.chokertraffic.com/screenshots/cams.gif
Bounce rate is 94% on this page as can be expected as 50% of the time it doesn't work. Frisky posts these stats but doesn't post the stats of the other url who's bounce rate is more like 80%. Frisky makes sly accusations that my traffic is fake because 1500 or so hits show 0 time on site. Frisky then finds out this is a bug in google analytics, but of course he doesn't apoligise for his accusation. He then claims I am ripping people off because I call the traffic he is buying premium, when in fact it is simply called geo_us. He can't read my site any better than he can read google analytics. Then Frisky attacks my sites, questioning where the traffic comes from and how it's sent. Next he will claim there are no sales from my traffic, even though in other threads he said there were multiple paid upgrades the first day traffic started flowing, and this was several weeks ago.

Frisky has me in a catch 22, if I come in and defend myself in the 10 or so threads a week where he trashes me I look like a drama queen. If I don't then I look guilty. Nice move Frisky, you got me cornered. Your so good at what you do I can't win. Your really good at making your accusations in a way you can't be banned for them. If you put half this effort into your business you would have more than a 4k a day whitelabel webcam site to show for 9 years of work.

Here are the real stats

27876 from me http://www.myfreeporncams.com/export...e/?AFNO=choker 94% bounce
45969 from me via http://www.myfreeporncams.com/ 80% bounce
Average bounce from me was about 85%

1290 from oneclicktube.com 49% bounce
260 from search engines 35% bounce

Damn right, bounce rate needs to be read carefully, depends on where the surfer is coming from, going to and what he's "expecting to see".

So people buy traffic from other traffic brokers and then resell it on......hmmmm sounds like securitisation to me and look where that left us.

Those landing pages look like shit. jus sayin.

Correct, and the traffic he is buying is a mix of unsold teen,mature,shemale, etc etc whatever is leftover in the system, and he's sending it to a teen cam site. Buying United states from teen 1rst spot would be a much better match, but he didnt want this traffic to do good on his site, anyone that says otherwise is just blind.

Brokers buy from each other for many reasons, right now I have a lot of popunders available and 3 other brokers are short on them so they buy to fill thier orders. What's wrong with that? I buy feeder from other brokers to my sites when I'm sold out of my own traffic in order to generate more, again, what's wrong with that? I even manage traffic buys at other brokers for clients of mine for a fee. Again, what's wrong with that? As a traffic seller would it be better for me to deal with 1000 small buyers for 25% profit or 10 big buyers that resell my traffic for 20% or even 15% profit? I'd go with the ten bigger buyers anyday. Guys insinuating that brokers buying from each other is somehow wrong or is cheating or unethical are idiots, plain and simple.

I tried that link and got some beach whale popping her zits.
Made me close her page asap.

http://t1.pixhost.org/thumbs/2342/7527816_wtf.jpg

Choker, Jack, before you read this, please note that I am not taking either side. I am only posting my own questions on this.

But wait. First you're only making an assumption here. You don't know for sure that this is the reason why the bounce rate is so high. The fact that this page doesn't load properly should itself invalidate this experiment. How can anyone trust the data if there were problems with this page?

Also, even if the page loads instantly, I still think that there is a problem with (The Traffic + The Content offered). Notice I put them in brackets. SE Traffic or not, the traffic needs to be relevant to the content & service advertised which from what I can tell, is not even close.


Ok in my opinion, a bug in Google's program is highly unlikely. But even if there was a bug, this again invalidates the experiment.


His claim is invalid. Just because there were sales at any other time does not mean sales will happen again. There are too many variables to make a claim like that.

Not at all. Leave emotion out of it. Concentrate on the numbers only and present your case

Not at all. Just relax and present your case. You know your product and you obviously believe in it. Prove him wrong. Some of us are filtering out the noise and paying close attention here.


Pointless. Nobody cares about that. What I care about are results. Don't worry about him. Keep going.

I told him several times the traffic he is buying is leftover unsold traffic, yet he kept buying it. In fact it's prolly more shemale and mature than anything else. Going to a teen webcam site what do you expect. Every buyer except him will test 5 or 10k traffic, look at results, if bad try another niche or contact me for help. But not Frisky, he keeps the same traffic flowing then posts misleading stats about it's performance.

The bug is well documented and not speculation. It's a fact.

I'm not saying there's neccessarily (worst word to spell) anything wrong with your model, but generally as has been shown, repetative reselling/repackaging and selling on of anything leads to a lack of transparency. Oh and as I'm an idiot you can kill my UKVIXENS account now as I won't be buying again.

"I even manage traffic buys at other brokers for clients of mine for a fee. Again, what's wrong with that? As a traffic seller would it be better for me to deal with 1000 small buyers for 25% profit or 10 big buyers that resell my traffic for 20% or even 15% profit? I'd go with the ten bigger buyers anyday."

I actually don't give a fuck what is best for you, I give a fuck what is best for me ! GET IT

Won't be buying traffic from me again? You have NEVER bought traffic from me so your little temper tantrum accomplished what exactly?

http://www.ukvixens.com/chokerdick2.JPG

Couldn't even be bothered to search the URL you fucking scammer. You just proved in 3 posts that you're full of bullshit and turned a paying customer into your worst enemy !!

Lots of bullshit excuses. Facts remain the same, you got yourself cornered with all the bs. Not me.

What about your statement you are the reason i lost 100k in income? Explain that to everyone here mister biz ethics.

Paypal Notified and sent screenshots

That is in crampton64 account, not ukvixens account, so your calling me a scammer while charging back fraudulently, yeah your a real winner.

Say goodbye to your paypal account than.
Idiot :2 cents:

How was your walk with marco and eastwood little man?

Make sure you tell paypal you made this payment a year ago, had all the traffic delivered, and want to charge back because soemone called you a idiot on a BBS board. Wow, the winners come out at night don't they? I hope other brokers are reading this thread and takes note of you, a buyer who admits on GFY to fraudulently charging back payments. you are still owed a few hits in my system, I'm not gonna ban the account, you will get the traffic, but you are not someone I care to do business with, I mean publicly saying you are going to fraudullently charge back on someone? wow

You really are some sad fucked up grandad, you looked at the UKvixens domain but didn't think to check in your own system !! You know when you "beg" people that pay you not to use dirty porn words if they use Paypal....... well that isn't going to work anymore :)

To me it's clear now that Choker Traffic is a fraud, he's implying that I never bought stuff from him, which is false, and that I will charge back, also false. I have informed Paypal of his site and will be diligently investigating all his other pay options. My goal is to shut the bastard down permanently.

Um no, you said your account name was ukvixens so I looked up that account name. There was nothing else for me to check. You have no urls in your sig.

The account name you said you have with me never bought traffic from me

If you're saying you are going to report him to paypal for doing adult related transactions, they'll close your account too.

Yeah man...."cooooool" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are so right, BUT I already closed it 2 months ago :)

Ah so your notifying paypal in a effort to get my paypal account frozen or something? Not a chargeback then. Wow your not a Mensa member are you?

Ummm yeah I thought that was pretty fucking obvious, you were worried about "chargebacks".....can't think why ? Not oficially Mensa but I am in the top 3% on the standard MENSA test. You however seem to be a grandfather with a cool sideward glance trying to look cool in a white vest.

http://www.ukvixens.com/chokercunt.jpg

Just got my account paid off from Choker, that's the account that Choker earlier in this thread said didn't even exist. Such easy bullshit to disprove. It would make you question any statement that Choker made.

This deserves mention on this page too. And I'll reword it (twice) for those who don't get it:

IF YOU HAVE A SITE THAT HAS NO INTERNAL LINKS, YOUR GOOGLE ANALYTICS BOUNCE RATE WILL ALWAYS BE 100%

IF YOUR PAGE HAS ONLY EXTERNAL LINKS, OR NO LINKS AT ALL, YOUR GOOGLE ANALYTICS BOUNCE RATE WILL ALWAYS BE 100%

Was it account named UKVixens ?

Originally Posted by UKVixens
Oh and as I'm an idiot you can kill my UKVIXENS account now as I won't be buying again.

That account NEVER bought traffic, you posted the wrong account name, your are referring to a account named crampton64

Are you confused or something? I didn't say ukvixens account didnt exist, I said it never bought traffic. Still confused?

people are bouncing because they are being sent to a random page from a 100% skim cj network. pretty simple.

No it's not. The account name is crampton64
The account ukvixens submitted a url back in 2005 but never made a payment

WOW whatever !! If we want to be pedantic about usernames then we can be. You took the time to look at the site and make a critisicm about the 80GIGS content which as I move servers is 450 GIGS BUT didn't even think to check in your own system ?!?! That says a lot about you grandad.

Hey fucker Choker I'l do a million more times damage to you than you can do to me, if you have a problem with that then lets meet. Otherwise shut your lame fucking ass up.

OMG, well yeah usernames is how people identify their accounts. I edited the comments about the content because quite frankly I didn't want to offend you. You told me the wrong account name yet blame me and say I'm a fraud all because you told me the wrong account name?