holy shit.

its an education for us.

you say "Brokers buy from each other all the time, have been forever.". well that is not posted anywhere on any broker site, including yours.

that is the point.

fyi i dont care about his stats, so please dont use this 1/3 argument in your reply to me. it has little to do with hidden industry practices.

u are almost a whistle blower if all these practices you are leaking are true about traffic brokers.

i will never buy another click.

In other words
WHAT DOES NOT WORK FOR ME, IS GOOD ENOUGH TO SELL.
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We should just rename Frisky and Choker to montague and capulet life long battle between these two it seems.

That's because your 3rd-world country is probably getting filtered. Where are you from?

I guess thats what he is saying. But that would account for all of his traffic i bought from him. This portion is even worse, 0 time on site, 100% bounce. This means one part is reaaaaally shit and not worth a cent, the other part is downright shady.

Not sure whats worse for him to out at the moment.

I wonder how many of these so called sites sending me this crap are his own shitty sites filtering the worst of the worst before its being sold to people as premium traffic. How many of these questionable sites did a surfer get redirected to before they saw mine?

And whats up with his statement that he cost me 100k in income? What is he referring to with that?

well choker admits he sends traffic from his own network, probably feeds it from other brokers though. look at the trades for the site, they are all clones so i assume thats his network.`

since it looks like a 100% skim network would explain the page views. looks like the thumbs filter by niche.

Sending traffic from his own network is fine.
Sending it from questionable sites, filtering crap traffic through it up to 10 times as he admitted and selling it as premium for a high price, misleading customers with his explanations of premium clicks on his site.. Wow, thats something totally different.

Im pretty sure not all brokers work like this, i urge you all to start looking at your stats. Dont buy crap like this!

So, this definition is a new way of saying CJ traffic?
You buy from a broker, send it to your sites, it doesn't convert, you sell it as premium US traffic.

two things you never want to see how it's done: Making sausages and how brokers receive and filter their traffic. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Show ALL of the stats of STFU. :2 cents:

What page are you sending that too?

If it is TGP/MGP style with no link to any other page on your domain the bounce rate SHOULD be 100%! Means 100% either closed the window or went to your sponsor without loading another page on your domain. Totally would make sense.

100% skim cj sent to a cam site.

Links pulled.. and then put back up.. pulling them.. back up.. I'm out..

i thought it was pretty much common knowledge that brokers are buying traffic from one another. anyone who thinks differently is pretty naive ;]

let's see all the stats

There is entirely too much noise in this thread. Here's a suggestion to Jack and Choker: Stop fighting with each other and drop the insults. It makes you both look bad.

There's a good opportunity here for everyone.

Jack:
You are testing his traffic and finding problems. If these problems are real, point them out and let Choker fix them. You will gain a new business partner that you can respect that will help your business.

Choker:
If there's an error in your system or business somehow (I'm not saying that there is), then this is a good time to discover it and fix it. It will increase the value of your service and you will gain more customers.

For everyone else, we can all learn more about reading GA, or who to buy traffic from, or who NOT to buy traffic from. I think there is alot of interest in this thread but I'm losing patience digging thru all the useless arguments just to get to the important stuff.

Peace.

@mark: i asked about 4-5 times if he could manage the buy. He didnt want to for obvious reasons. Crap teaffic cant be managed into something good.

Nobody needs to buy this shit. I dont care if i look unprofessiobal outing him im sorry bro.

Looks he has two different landing pages with choker. One is his main index page and the other with free preview of random webcam model thats currently on-line. Idiot is only showing stats for this random webcam link where surfer is sent directly from chokers network. Imagine you surfing porn and instead of busty pornstar you come to some gross BBW mature with Camel cig in her mouth? Are you going to continue clicking around on that site? Choker asked him multiple times to post entire stats and not random model link only. Of course being the asshat Frisky is, he ignores that request.

Just tell him he is a fake nick and call marco and eastwood to vouch for you.

If a Traffic Broker, says what pages you can and can not send to. He even manages the traffic for you, then why sell the traffic???????????????????????

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How much money have you both lost by fucking around with each other on GFY?

Not really necessary when this thread is already filled with questions raising everyones eyebrows about choker and chokertraffic except for your fake nick, the other retarded fake nick, and choker himself.

:)

Dont shoot the messenger, he wanted stats and proof of these hits he called "FAKE" hits himself, i just fullfilled his wishes.

And i even warned him he did NOT wanted to see me post them in public, but his proud shortsighted ass insisited on providing proof for everyone to see.

I bet he isnt walking peacefully through "its a small world" now and im sorry for that, but he asked for it and i did what he asked. Being the nice guy that i am :)

We really need Marco and Eastwood here. Im so surprised your "employees" aren't here to support you :1orglaugh

So how about full stats for chiker traffic and 4 other brokers. You did buy traffic from others per your agreement on that bet. Did you little man?

I doubt choker lost any. The fool probably didn't lose much eather because he didn't have any to begin with.

I keed at "little man" haha :):)

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Marco and Eastwood >> You

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He will not. Isn't it pretty obvious. Kid is just anonumous cyber punk. This topic isn't about choker's traffic. He just wants attention. For a guy who claims to be in this biz for 10 years he's a complete idiot. Can't even read google stats.

:2 cents:

I think this topic has a potential to top Paul Markham's ownage.
How about complete stats kiddo.
You can save your 0.37% of SE stats. We already seen those. :1orglaugh

Hi Jack,

Ok this is interesting... why did you buy it then?

Whenever I buy traffic, I always asked for managed traffic, and make sure to tell whoever I am buying it from that it is a test purchase, and that I will buy more if it works out well for us.

In my opinion, the traffic seller has to really know his traffic, and is therefore the best person to manage the traffic. With a little management work on their end, they can keep a good customer for months of not years.

Buying unmanaged traffic is just gambling. Might as well bet it all on craps.

Since Frisky wont post the REAL stats I did some digging and have them for everyone to see.

But first let me point out the two different pages he bought to, He did indeed buy 27876 hits to this page http://www.myfreeporncams.com/export...e/?AFNO=choker

Now this url is supposed to go to a random online now girls page, When I click it i go to
http://www.myfreeporncams.com/cam/Ma...=1&AFNO=choker which does not show w girl online it shows this text

Loading Marie_Amore's chat...
MyFreePornCams is loading the Flash client. This may take a moment.

And after 10 minutes it still shows this text and still has not loaded.

I close the window and click it again and i get http://www.myfreeporncams.com/cam/Ja...=1&AFNO=choker

Loading Marie_Amore's chat...

MyFreePornCams is loading the Flash client. This may take a moment.

Same thing here, no live random cam feed even after 10 minutes, I clicked 8 more times and its the same thing all 8 times. No wander its 100% bounce rate. Now lets get into the real stats that Frisky is afraid to post.............................

Ok, so to recap he bought 27876 hits to this page which is suppsoed to be a random online now girl http://www.myfreeporncams.com/export...e/?AFNO=choker but only works half the time. I'm sure after this post Frisky will fix it so it will work all the time.

Now he posted stats on this url buy and said the bounce rate is 94.29% which with it not working half the time I believe.

What he doesnt want anyone to know is that he also bought 45,969 hits to this page http://www.myfreeporncams.com/ notice there is no tracking url? It goes straight to his page with no way to track the pergormance. Why is that? Strange isn't it?

By looking at his stats he posted we can tell that during this time frame his site recieved the following hits

27876 from me via http://www.myfreeporncams.com/export...e/?AFNO=choker
45969 from me via http://www.myfreeporncams.com/
1290 from oneclicktube.com
260 from search engines

75385 from known sources, 95000 total so theres another 20k he got that I have no idea where it's from.

If anyone doesn't realize what's going on here, this page http://www.myfreeporncams.com/export...e/?AFNO=choker
supposedly had a bounce rate of 94% which I believe, but the other traffic I sent to his main page had to have a bounce rate of around 80%.

So basically what Frisky has done here is shown YOU the page that did bad because it DOESNT FUCKING WORK HALF THE TIME and refused to show you stats of the page that did better.

He also accused me of selling questionable traffic because he doesnt know how to read google analytics.

:Oh crap

Hi mark,

You are right but i knew from the getgo that choker wouldnt manage the buy. Honestly, i gave him plenty of warning before i bought his traffic that i would be posting all stats on gfy. He is telling everyone his "managed" traffic is the bomb, but ive never seen it happen, which says enough to me.

He already admitted after being outed, that this so called US_PREMIUM traffic has been redirected up to 10 times through various sites. Looking at just one of these questionable sites, i can only wonder how the others are. Or even if there is even 1 real site from someone else than choker in his system sending this traffic.

He also admitted to buying a lot of traffic from other brokers.

So how does chokertraffic work?

He buys cheap skim cj traffic from other brokers, then sends it through a funnel of questionable sites/domains, so it looks like its all coming from different publishers/site owners? So we cant track down the original source? And selling it as premium to unknowing webmasters?

He now pretends everyone can know this traffic is leftover crap from others. Yet in his system its made to look like you are buying hq traffic for $4/k. Nothing about unsold, redirected 10 times, leftover skim from others or filtering through his own network of cj sites. No wonder it doesnt perform, it would never ever perform no matter how you manage it. Sending a surfer from one fake thumb to up to 10 different sites with fake thumbs while pretending and selling it as premium traffic? Sure doesnt sound really honest to me. And im putting it lightly.

Others in this thread have called it downright shady, especially with the texts used on his site to sell this.

It doesnt come as a big surprise to me, after 9 years ive seen it all. Why i went ahead and bought his traffic anyway?

Because he was constantly boasting about his traffic, and even dared to take on webcam companies with the purpose of showing how bad THEY are.

Shouldnt throw rocks in the glass house. His dare came boomeranging back in epic proportions and this is just part 1 of me reporting on chokers traffic quality (or the lack of it).

I'll be reviewing a lot more brokers btw. And i will be posting abput the good and bad things. Its just that atm, there isnt much good to say about this portion of chokers traffic.

And i will keep posting this questiom too: choker posted in this thread he was the reason i lost 100k of income. He better be explaining about this statement soon before i turn it up a notch.

I can be very friendly, but also very agressive in my postings. But it always has a reason.

@choker: you can deflect all you want. That referlink is working and is not something made up by me. It comes straight from streamate.

And another thing, i indeed did NOT post your other stats, YET. Believe me, i will when the campaign is finished.

The fact remains, even after your twisting with urls and dancing around the REAL issue here: the traffic sent to this url is very very questionable. Even when its just 6% of the total you sent up till now. Imagine what that mean for someone buying millions of this traffic and paying that much for crap filtered through these bullshit cj's. You boast about selling millions/billions of traffic, you might wanna explain why its sent like that pretending it to be premium.

All your little twisting around means shit, YOU are the one responsible for the crap you are pulling here.

A couple of us mentioned that back a few pages ago.

Frisky I'll give crecit where credit is due. You are a master manupilater on a bbs board. I have never seen anyone as good as you at twisting what people say into what you want them to say.

Outed for what? you are buying geo-us traffic, it does not say premium, look in your stats. What does it say? It says geo_us. You lie and lie, I never said it was redirected, one more time, I said it was prolly already sent to 10 other buyers in the last 30 days. How can you possibly say the traffic you are buying is crap when 75% of your sites traffic is from me? You can't, but being the master manipulater you do and make it look good. Your comment about my trip to Disney? Yeah I'll admit you ruined that for me and my grand daughters, we cut it short, are you proud of yourself? How does that make you feel? Like a BIG man? You like ruining things for a family because you don't have a family, NOBODY would tolerate such a evil manipulative person such as you. Your lies and manipulation has not gone unnoticed. You have manipulated, lied, whithheld information about this just like I knew you would. I feel sorry for you. To be this miserable and bitter? WOW

Its not my biz ethics on the line here, its yours. If that ruined your trip im sorry, but you are the one who demanded proof right away and i did.

Your feeling sad and sorry for yourself, stop acting like this is premium traffic. Btw. It said US_PREMIUM before ;)

Oh and btw. So i have to feel sorry for your little trip to disneyland, but you stated you had cost me 100k in income a couple of times in this thread. Guess its all giving no taking it up like a man huh? Care to explain the folks here how you cost me 100k of income?

I bet you dont dare to say.

Im off for a nice trip to the falls, and believe me without any reason to feel sorry for anyone. Guess thats the big difference between you and me. I can provide proof within minutes, while its taking you days to figure out some excuses and fixing lie after lie in this thread.

Go figure that one out genius.