I hear ya. That could help a lot and real good point.

Noone has addressed why there is 5 times fewer buyers and 8 times more traffic in some niches or types compared to 1 1/2 years ago (among most skim brokers) and why lowering price to allow more profitability (just a tad) would not sell more hits and be win-win.

Lets say a broker has 350,000 hits in a type of traffic (maybe high prod US only) and only sells 80,000 (per day). How is it benefitting the broker as the other 270,000 clicks are going back to a site owned by the orig seller. Click not sold.

But maybe that is not for me to know. :)

In my book Choker is good people, even if it was hard getting my sites approved. Now, Choker, can I use some easier method to get you cash from Aussie Land to you ?

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Best gif ever (courtesy of Martinsc)

I actually have a bag of chips right now. :) But I always get to these threads too late at night. (US time)

Lets face it, you put the US people to bed and everything screams to a halt.

Where does it say there are less traffic buyers around and more traffic to buy? Or that the leftover traffic is going back to the traffic sellers?

To answer anyways:
Maybe (<-) since times are tough lately the available traffic is being squeezed more and more first for what it's worth by brokers and the leftovers value is decreasing more and more.

Anyway, Choker said that he has no problem selling out the traffic. So someone must be buying it. It's pretty obvious the reason he says to send it to dating and cams and not paysites is because dating and cams are doing well despite the quality of traffic, which is probably why those types are his biggest buyers. I only wish he would filter it better or find publishers with quality sites so that the traffic would work with paysites and whatnot and he could charge more for it, no one could say anything bad about it, and he wouldn't have to explain all the time why it doesn't work with certain types of sites.

Ya know Choker has that "must have content" rule. Choker is like Sargento cheese from Wisconsin. He is "very, very persnickety" :)

Choker, if you can bend that rule for me, (you are the only one who has it) I would submit a fantabulous site. But I hate rejection. :) Especially by Choker. Anyone else. But I can NOT be rejected by Choker. :)

I am old school. I havnt hosted a pic or vid in ages. LOL :winkwink:

In answer to your q. I hate to name the broker but who is the biggest broker of skim :) In "no refer" for example there used to be 40 buyers, (1 to 1 1/2 years ago) now there is like 5-10.

Go look. This broker tells you how many buyers per niche/type. Same for No Cookie. US High Prod. Tranny.

Across the board there are def way less buyers and way more traffic available.

Why? I would think because many guys tried and many failed to make a profit. So why not lower price.

I doubt we will get a straight answer on this Jakez but I just like to mention it to the brokers. Who knows.

The board is full of reps trying to sell skim. Skim is not selling but they refuse to lower price. If price were lowered 25% I would buy way more (skim) traffic than I do.

Maybe Choker is selling all his but he is way smaller than the others from what I can see.

Does Jack have any evidence of surfer activity besides google analytics? Is it a whitelabel or do you have access logs too?

Is the GA code on EVERY page on that site?

You could lower it 25% and still a bunch of guys would not be profitable but there would be a few guys who would then crack the nut and who would buy more. And the broker and traffic seller makes more at the end of the day.

And there would still be a ton of unsold.

I am talking to Traffic Holder and Traffic Shop in particular. Who else is there really. :)

Traffic Adept went belly up. And Pro Traffic is also kaput now I guess arent they.

Choker is maybe #3 now days but the other 2 have way more traffic I do believe.

The bounce rate is not Chokers fault. Look at the pages Frisky is sending traffic to. They are total shit. No one is gonna buy anything there.

Just shows what a clueless dimwit Frisky is.

When you send traffic they usually give you a return link (to another of your own sites) for any traffic that clicks but is not bought.

I think they all do this.

Thus, there is 350,000 hits available (on ave) and only 80,000 sold for example by a broker, the other hits get jerked somewhere else. However their script is worked out. So in essence they retain control and try to sell it otherwise.

Maybe the market is self regulating and it prob is. It could just mean that Traffic Holder for example could not sell it but the click still retains value as maybe then ND takes a shot or such.

The click retains value even tho it is not sold by TH and hence I guess the market is what it is.

this thread makes about as much sense as one TGP gallery making 10 sales on my site and another the next day with the same posting making none and the bad sales one being said to be the same quality. duuuuu

does choker have the best traffic in the world. NO. neither does google. Wake the fuck up. You need a BRAIN to convert it. Choker would not have survived this long if some people were not able to convert his traffic at a profit. What works for some, doesn't for others.....

He just filtered you with the word CHOKER so no worries about other traffic sources.

In other words ( I swear this is the last on this) if they (the middle man broker) lower prices they have to also lower prices to their sellers who then say "screw you" I am setting my script to way less TH and way more ND.

So maybe TH charges high because they are the first crack at the traffic. Hmm "if the suckers (or in a very few cases, profitable buyers) buying at the skim brokers wont pay .4 cents a hit than I'll send this shit (via script) to ND"

So maybe we skim buyers are all big suckers. :)

We HAVE to out produce ND to compete.

That is how it really is.

Read it and weep. :)

so whats the ratio ? u got? lol

Nothing against ND. They are my god. :) But I think they might be able to out convert me. Maybe? Maybe not? Maybe? :)

Scripts are what REALLY ruined this biz LOL but that is another story and I guess we cant stay in 1999 forever. :)

Skim makes more than clicked obviously for sellers.

So why do they not sell it themselves (in answer to some questions earlier) They do sell it themselves but it is run over certain hotbeds to milk it for all it's worth before they sell it.

Like EVERYTHING in adult there is no such thing as a free lunch or even a free piece of pie or even a few leftovers. :)

Especially, it is a TOUGH business for the affil or ANY middle man. Dont think it isnt. Very tough.

If only you had the balls

Good q cooldude, I like you but an affil never gives his exact ratios. :)

But nowdays I am looking to buy more traffic and ramp my shit up. I still have a few winners. :)

If I am able to even begin to convert skim at a profit, then bet your sweet bippy I am competing with the best in the biz. :)

TO RECAP

"Damn right, bounce rate needs to be read carefully, depends on where the surfer is coming from, going to and what he's "expecting to see". So people buy traffic from other traffic brokers and then resell it on......hmmmm sounds like securitisation to me and look where that left us."

I AM AN IDIOT and was a paying customer. End of.

LOL :thumbsup That was funny.

Let me think.. there is an old SNL episode with a mosh pit over in England.. damn Ill think of it.. they are bouncing around every yank that goes over there.. funny as hell.. damn what was it.. they also had the guy from Duran Duran who go bounced around.. funny sketch. Anyone?

Anyhow I can see you all working Choker around. LOL

We need images or vids. Ill think of it.. :)

The customer is always right. :)

But I doubt Choker will lose much sleep. Choker had a buttload of traffic 8 years ago. Got to admire him. He knew how to program in the early days when it counted.

Technically it isnt Choker's traffic. He just owns the franchising at Grand Central Station. It all flows through his hands. Brilliant really.

It all comes from the early circle jerk days which is all skim is really.

Found the ep :)

MTV Spring Break U.K. 93

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so funny they bounce around Pauly Shore, Simon La Bon (Chris Farley) and others in a Mosh Pit of British, punked out hooligans. hehe :) Sandler as Pauly Shore and Melanie Hutsell as a really funny looking Brit punker.

No luck on finding the vid :disgust

look at the site in this idiot's sig:

http://www.majelazezediamond.co.uk

i think it's safe to play "guess the race" game here

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no wonder he;s acting like a total fucking imbecile

:) Mwah :))

I think it's that Choker's finely tuned sense of judgement caught your personality earlier than the rest of us. Now you've had a chance to bleat a bit more, we all see it. :thumbsup

Independent test:

http://www.myfreeporncams.com/export...e/?AFNO=choker

I've visited the page 3 times over a period of 24hrs. I used 3 different browsers:
* Every time I visited the page, it did load a chat with a girl (no empty couch).
* Every time I visited the page, it did take a long time for the chat interface to load. The page itself loaded instantly, but it took respectively, 35, 40 and 11 seconds for the "loading interface" message to disappear and the video to appear.

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Why the bounce rate? I cant figure it out

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that's got to be Megan Foxx

You must be a nother fake nick to tell idiot frisky that he is sluekless and needs a brain. Oh no. Watch out for his employees marco and Eastwood. They WILL come after you. Probably booking flight already.
Oh and dont forget about thta "drunk of his ass" brit guy. He is da real internet warrior.

Wait, its White Sancho, another one of Frisky's employees in his multi-national company named BroMedia.



PS: I wonder what takes so long for dutch clown to post all stats. I Thought he was quick?

I guess the mobile traffic is also filtered: http://www.thesextubesite.com/

How many of these sites fo you run your rehashed traffic through before a buyer gets it choker?

And care to explain your statement, that you cost me 100k in income? Being the honest biz man you are, we would love to know before anyone does biz with you again.

He could be referring to that Google domain name placement thing that was brought up in the other post relating to this one.

Funny how little clown keeps avoiding requests to post all stats yet repeats "you cost me 100k in income" question over and over as if thats what this bet was about. What a punk.

Not strange ... I have purchased traffic for both mainstream and porn.

BOTH times (the porn one is about 80% done) I have found that sales and signups have dropped tremendously during the month of purchased traffic. My porn sales are DOWN around 75% on the first 20,000 hits of a 27,000 package I purchased. Most hits stay around '0' to '5' seconds on the website. I also hit them hard with a exit console that usually produces very very well ... but, during the first 20K hits, even the exit traffic is not converting.

I honestly believe purchased traffic from ANYONE is pure SHIT and NOT going to make you any money.

Just my honest opinion.

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sorry bro but i disagree and so do my stats

Google is #1 in my book

carry on

Before I post, take note that I don't know, or care about either of the 2 actually involved in this debate.

That being said, as I read through the entire thread, one thing rings in my head constantly...

Choker, you keep bringing up that he's not posting full stats, but instead is posting only 1/3 of total traffic stats you sent him.

Now, what concerns me is the following:

Are you admitting that 1/3 of your traffic sold is absolute garbage and/or fake? If I were a buyer and I bought x amount of "premium"* traffic only to find out 1/3 of it is worse than garbage, I'd be highly pissed. So please clear this up.

* the OP is saying he bought premium_us traffic, you're saying it was geo_us or w/e and not premium but didn't start this claim until 4 pages or so into this whole ordeal, OP then claims you changed it in your back end.. This need to be resolved as well.

My reason for posting on this matter is simple.. we're looking to start up some blogs and such in the near future and have been considering buying traffic to get them jump started. I'm not defending the OP as I have no idea who he is, what he's about; nor do I care.

If you'd prefer to call me an idiot, that's fine as well; but the issue above is a real concern that I think you should explain. Because without explanation here's how I see it... you're selling ~70k as premium_us but in reality, only 2/3 of that traffic is "real", the other 1/3 is mixed in garbage. It should be very obvious as to why this is a concern.

No I'm not saying that 1/3rd of my traffic is garbage or fake, to recap what has already been posted, the 1 third he is sending to a random page that only works half the time, Try it yourself. Others have and have confirmed this. He is sending the same traffic to both pages, yet one has a bounce rate of 94% and the other around 80%. So the problem is obviously not the traffic since both pages get the same traffic.

I didn't change anything in any backend, I'm sure someone who cares enough can do a google cache search and see this. Premium is a play on words the OP is manipulating. to me and pretty much most people consider premium to refer to the country, ie premium countries are us uk ca germany etc. Non premium are brasil mexico etc

Well i've just read IT ALL and i'm none the wiser :(

This thread isnt about any bet retarded fake nick :)
Go clean up your mommies basement, nobody cares for your fake nick trolling :)

get off his case already?

Don't be jealous of Choker

Regarding your first paragraph, thanks for explaining.

Regarding the 2nd... I'm not sure what to make of this. You're saying 2 things here, the first of which is that he didn't actually buy premium_us traffic but instead he actually bought geo_us traffic. But you are also saying the the term premium traffic only refers to the country of which the traffics comes from. So it's a bit contradictive and really needs to be cleared up.

The way I understand it, you basically have 2 types of traffic...

Premium which equates to managed/clicked traffic, like from a text link, banner ad, etc.

Then you have non premium traffic, which equates to skimmed traffic from tgps, tubes, etc. - like when a visitor clicks a thumb that he thinks is going to show a picture but instead takes him somewhere else.

Not trying to bash you here but you're taking 2 different stances on the whole premium thing which raises concern. Or it could just be me, I don't know ><

Ive been buying and selling traffic, gone from webmaster to manager to company owner, and ive never ever seen something this crappy for a long long time.

But yeah. Seems the definition of quality and premium is completely different on chokertraffic. Now he starts boasting about it being good at 80%. Im used to buying traffic with a br of 30-40 for the same price. Not even mention 1/3 of his traffic is pure crap filtered through questionable sites up to 10 times before the buyer gets it.

Cool way of making money :)

Sleazy has no idea of traffic lol. Any traffic he sees is at tge freeway when he is collecting empty beer bottles :)

Thank you bob. Guess the 50% not loading stats choker pulled out of his ass card is played out too :)

Yeah I've seen all kinds of cams sites that get popped up (talking about the internet as a whole here) and it's never 100% a hot chick. The scripts can't tell whether or not the model is in front of the cam when they send traffic to it. I really don't understand what all the fuss is about Jack's landing page, it takes no longer to load than any other cam landing page and shows a live model on cam the same amount of times also.

But the little 50 post guys who supposedly joined in 2011 love to grasp at these little straws poking fun instead of bringing up any kind of good point or argument.


Lol visited that on my iphone and clicked a thumb and it skimmed me to a parked domain. LOLERSKATES Let me grasp at straws and point out this stupid little thing in every post for 7 pages.

Who cares if theres no model on cam sometimes, isn't that the fault of Streammate?

ok I'll explain again. Premium refers to the country. Premium is us uk ca au etc
non premium is brasil turkey etc
The op is buying the niche from me named geo_us, he was claiming it was named premium_us, he lied. End of story, doesn't matter if it was named geo_us or premium_geo_us, he was claiming that if its called premium then it must be the best traffic I have, not true, once again he was manipulating facts. Again, premium refers to the country, not the quality.

Butthurt little man? Everyone here know you're the fake one here. Delusional fuck with imaginary employees.

Bwaaaaaaaaahaha.. How many imaginary employees did you have besides marco and Eastwood?
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You do realize that half of the time that 2011 guy is probably Dark Jedi who has more traffic than all of yours and frisky's combined and then multiplied by 100? He probably could have given this dutch retard few tips on how and what to do with chokers traffic but it fucking frisky we're talking about. He won't listen! He will go on and go on with his idiotic rambling about choker and obsession with fake nicks, 100K that he didn't lose, his fucking company that doesn't exist and of course his quality traffic sites that no-one seen. Come on dude.

OK -- so I'll ask you directly: no matter what you call it, if traffic is "premium", can't you monetarize it better by sending it to your own pay sites or a good affiliate program that pays $35+ PPS?

I don't give a flying fuck if Mr. "Internet User" is Bill Gates. He NEVER contributes ANYTHING to ANY thread except stirring shit up with people or between them. LOL @ "He probably could have given this dutch retard a few tips" when all he does is troll.

If we're going to point out all kinds of little things how about buying teen traffic that comes from URLs like:
teensite.com/cat/mature/index.htm
teensite.com/cat/bbw/index.htm

That's unacceptable. The system needs a major revamp.


Broker buys millions of hits and takes for himself what he knows how to convert and sells the rest to people who can convert it. But nothing wrong with that if the buyers are satisfied and know what to do with it.