make love... not war

Yep, all this is because I gave a wrong account name :) Or is it because you called a paying customer an "idiot" because you actually don't have a fucking clue what you are doing ?

This is getting better and better. First we have delusional Dutch boy screaming "you don't get me", now we got drunk of his ass Brit who expects everyone to read his fucking mind and know by heart his domains and account names. Please don't stop! Both of you, frisky and drunk Brit. You provide quality entertainment.

Oh yeah, you are a dream customer. Do you think anyone will sell you traffic or do business of any kind with you after what you have posted here tonight? seriously, think about it, get a cup of coffee and sober up

Nice try :) you're exposed. Will people take my money..? I think YES...will people pay YOU MONEY ?.....probably not as likely :)

I was a paying customer of Choker Traffic and he publicly called me an "idiot" because he didn't know his customers. He has been accused of sending SHIT traffic by other people.
Because I withdrew business from Choker he is now attacking me.

My cliffnotes to this point:

Frisky's intention was to buy traffic from Choker and then claim it was crap. Choker helped him do this (God knows why) by selling him crap traffic. In defending why said traffic was crap, Choker succeeded in drawing attention to the fact that Frisky was omitting some stats but also when responding to questions from others cast serious doubts on the quality of not only his own traffic, but also that of everybody else who sells traffic.

The debate continues.

Yep, an education

Lets not forget about how you are attempting to get my paypal account deleted because I called you a idiot. Accused by people other than Frisky? Who? Let me repeat how I called you a idiot so we can be crystal clear here ok?

Anyone who thinks that a broker buying traffic from another broker is cheating or doing something unethical is a IDIOT. If I buy traffic from a broker and send to your site and charge a fee for managing the orders how is this cheating or unethical? It's not.

Yeah lots of people will take money from someone who may get drunk and try to harm their business. Your a real winner aren't you.

You're a complete retarded FOOL, I made a generic comment about the repackaging and reselling of ANYTHING leading to less transparency. You then jumped in "over defensively" and called me an idiot. FUCK YOU GRANDAD. If you think I'm gonna pay your sad ass grandchilds diaper fees when you call one of your customers an "idiot" you can forget it. The fact that you "didn't know" I was customer, "denied" I was a customer, tried to "make out I was doing a chargeback" makes you scum. Fuck you, the thread is there, fucking read it.

No, he called you idiot because you're one. Drunk idiot. Something tells me that british mensa has much lower admission standards for its members. Much lower. I would say somewhere in 60's IQ score.

Except that it does. And other traffic is counted perfectly fine. So this statement is mute.

Fact is, and choker already admitted this in this thread but is now carefully backpeddling his words after noticing how many serious biz people are reading along and are now questioning his biz ethics and selling tactics:

He buys remainder skim traffic from other brokers, filters them through his own network of questionable cj sites (fake thumbs etc), surfers are send through up to 10 of these questionable sites before landing on a buyers page. He is selling this as US_PREMIUM (although im sure he changed the text in his admib area now) for $4/k. He also stated to have no problem doing this as it was a "markets demand".

I already posted screens of his explanation of premium traffic from his own site a couple pages ago.

Furthermore, he is pretending i deliberatly bought the wrong traffic to bring his traffic in discredit. You would easily find dozens of posts, in public on gfy, where i give him a chance to manage the buy for this traffic test.

He declines it everytime, with obvious reasons. This traffic cant be managed at all, and he knows that too. He can only cling on to the facts that he didnt manage the buy, and that the site is bad or not working, or that google has a bug.

The site is loading fine. Its a custom handmade and engineer installed camsite from streamray. I actually added an additional landingpage (free cam preview) because he was complaining i shouldnt sent it to the indexpage. Now he is complaining about that landing page. He contradicts himself over and over again, because he says the other portion of his traffic is more than good enough. Ermm, hello?!? Its going to the exact same pages, from the same sources. So how do we explain that? Btw. he seems to boast about the "other" portion being good at 80% bouncerate. Hello? Premium at 80% bounce? I wonder how you call traffic compared from example oneclicktube.com (screenshots posted a couple pages ago). Superduperuberpremium? And how come the se sources and oneclicktube.com sources work perfectly fine with both the site and analytics? How does he come up with lame excuses about the pages nor loading 50% of the time?

Those arent facts, those are the excuses of a man busted epically.

I wasnt even going to post about THESE stats just now, untill he demanded proof of my statements. I provided him after warning him, in public on gfy, he and his 3-4 fake friends here did NOT want me to do this. Yet they insisted so here we are.

Everyone notices choker is dancing and twisting, slowly backpeddling his own words trying to put the blame on me.

He even attacks others that are now looking into their own stats from chokers traffic, and are seriously pissed off by what they discover. Its everyones fault but chokers own,

People are posting about being ripped off, call him a scammer. Im not agreeing with that. His ethics are just really really low. If he would be man enough about it instead of trying to bullshit his way out this thread would have been dying. Instead, he keeps fueling the fire with more bullshit, lies and contradictions that arent staffed with facts. None of them. He even states not selling to people now publicly posting about his traffic being crappy (or as some called it: fake). And they have NO problem posting screenshots of proof they did on fact buy his traffic. Denying people are his customers while they can prove they are in a couple of minutes, while he is trying to explain hos actions for over 24 hours now?! Kinda suspicious if you ask me.

If he was that honest, why all these excuses and contradictions. Is ot hard to keep up with all the bs lies choker?

And last but not he posted more then once that he was behind something that cost me 100k in income. He now avoids the question how or what, scared shitless. So thats good biz ethics to choker, trashing someones biz for 100k, admitting to this on public and them continously ignoring this question: what did you do that made me lose 100k in income choker? You owe us a big explanation about this statement buddy.

Untill he does answer that question i will continue to copypaste the exact text in this very post, because its simply enough unnecessary to explain things over and over again when all facts are so clear.

Good luck backpeddling out of this one choker, i guess this thread isnt working out exactly like you thought it would huh.

Your posts and your actions here prove that you are indeed a idiot. and scum, total scum actually, You are attempting to freeze my paypal becuase you are a drunk idiot. That's scum in anyones book. Frisky hates my guts but he would never sink as low as you are sinking. Don't expect to do any business on this board.

Can somebody send me the Google translation link for "crap" ?

I'll freeze your Paypal account and every fucking account of yours that is breaking those account RULES. You dumb fuck. Are we really debating about Paypal and adult ???

It's really annoying that I have to point out things like this:
http://i.imgur.com/CR6mb.jpg

Pretty sure there was a % taken out when I deposited money from AlertPay. Might have been AlertPay that took this out when I sent money to you, but I don't see it say that anywhere and I'm pretty sure it was on your end. No big deal at all, just annoying I have to point it out to correct you.

I guess the 0 time on site and 100% bounce is explained by Google, awesome, and it makes sense. Out of millions of hits my analytics has recorded only 0.01% has 0 time on site and 100% bounce which is like 300 hits so I just never saw stats like that before and when I tried looking for this earlier I had typed "100" into the bounce filter instead of "1" or some crap it required for 100%. Both a hit being tracked and having 0 time on site just sounded fucked up. But I'm glad there's an explanation and I apologize for my ranting lol.

I really don't expect any broker to say on their site that some of their traffic comes from other brokers. As long as you can at least see where the traffic is coming from and how it's coming, because that's very important if not the most important part of buying traffic.

Not much wrong with that. If I was a broker accepting traffic from many sources and niches and I only knew how to convert X niche traffic then I would keep that for myself and convert it and sell the rest to people who know how to utilize it. He is buying traffic from people (publishers), is he not allowed to use it for himself? Some might say yes some might say no. Only problem is when you buy the leftover crappy part of the X niche. I guess no one will ever know and we can only hope there's some available that hasn't already been filtered out for it's most productive traffic.

Yes. It's not just black and white. It's not "this traffic converts so the publisher doesn't sell it and this traffic doesn't convert so the publisher sells it". There are plenty of people who really don't know how to convert their traffic and selling it simply makes them more than whatever they've tried doing with it, and someone else will convert it. There are people who would just rather not bother figuring out what converts it and they just specialize in generating it and leave it up to others to convert. And many other reasons.

Easily, I pay more than $10/k for a lot of traffic, some certain traffic I pay $30/k+ and can't get enough of it, and would pay more if I had to.

Who? Who is checking thier stats and getting pissed off? Your bullshit is unbelievable. All your other rants are not even worth my time replying to. You got busted showing partial stats and trying to manipulate the facts, just admit it. My traffic is 75% of your sites traffic and the true bounce rate is nowhere as bad as you first claimed.

Fucking great.........wow there's 3 of you..............

I'm not breaking any account rules anywhere. Read the TOS. Oh yeah your a winner alright

Predictable, but hey this is premium us traffic :)

No it's not on my end, that is what alertpay charges, I dont get any of that money, I am pretty sure if a refund is given they credit back a portion of that.

You want a wager ? Give me a month ? Where do you buy your vests ?

And sober.
Ask Frisky for some Vietnamese and Turkish traffic from his oneclciktube site. You two should open a shop together and call it "The Tardo traffic".

Except that it does. And other traffic is counted perfectly fine. So this statement is mute.

Fact is, and choker already admitted this in this thread but is now carefully backpeddling his words after noticing how many serious biz people are reading along and are now questioning his biz ethics and selling tactics:

He buys remainder skim traffic from other brokers, filters them through his own network of questionable cj sites (fake thumbs etc), surfers are send through up to 10 of these questionable sites before landing on a buyers page. He is selling this as US_PREMIUM (although im sure he changed the text in his admib area now) for $4/k. He also stated to have no problem doing this as it was a "markets demand".

I already posted screens of his explanation of premium traffic from his own site a couple pages ago.

Furthermore, he is pretending i deliberatly bought the wrong traffic to bring his traffic in discredit. You would easily find dozens of posts, in public on gfy, where i give him a chance to manage the buy for this traffic test.

He declines it everytime, with obvious reasons. This traffic cant be managed at all, and he knows that too. He can only cling on to the facts that he didnt manage the buy, and that the site is bad or not working, or that google has a bug.

The site is loading fine. Its a custom handmade and engineer installed camsite from streamray. I actually added an additional landingpage (free cam preview) because he was complaining i shouldnt sent it to the indexpage. Now he is complaining about that landing page. He contradicts himself over and over again, because he says the other portion of his traffic is more than good enough. Ermm, hello?!? Its going to the exact same pages, from the same sources. So how do we explain that? Btw. he seems to boast about the "other" portion being good at 80% bouncerate. Hello? Premium at 80% bounce? I wonder how you call traffic compared from example oneclicktube.com (screenshots posted a couple pages ago). Superduperuberpremium? And how come the se sources and oneclicktube.com sources work perfectly fine with both the site and analytics? How does he come up with lame excuses about the pages nor loading 50% of the time?

Those arent facts, those are the excuses of a man busted epically.

I wasnt even going to post about THESE stats just now, untill he demanded proof of my statements. I provided him after warning him, in public on gfy, he and his 3-4 fake friends here did NOT want me to do this. Yet they insisted so here we are.

Everyone notices choker is dancing and twisting, slowly backpeddling his own words trying to put the blame on me.

He even attacks others that are now looking into their own stats from chokers traffic, and are seriously pissed off by what they discover. Its everyones fault but chokers own,

People are posting about being ripped off, call him a scammer. Im not agreeing with that. His ethics are just really really low. If he would be man enough about it instead of trying to bullshit his way out this thread would have been dying. Instead, he keeps fueling the fire with more bullshit, lies and contradictions that arent staffed with facts. None of them. He even states not selling to people now publicly posting about his traffic being crappy (or as some called it: fake). And they have NO problem posting screenshots of proof they did on fact buy his traffic. Denying people are his customers while they can prove they are in a couple of minutes, while he is trying to explain hos actions for over 24 hours now?! Kinda suspicious if you ask me.

If he was that honest, why all these excuses and contradictions. Is ot hard to keep up with all the bs lies choker?

And last but not he posted more then once that he was behind something that cost me 100k in income. He now avoids the question how or what, scared shitless. So thats good biz ethics to choker, trashing someones biz for 100k, admitting to this on public and them continously ignoring this question: what did you do that made me lose 100k in income choker? You owe us a big explanation about this statement buddy.

Untill he does answer that question i will continue to copypaste the exact text in this very post, because its simply enough unnecessary to explain things over and over again when all facts are so clear.

Good luck backpeddling out of this one choker, i guess this thread isnt working out exactly like you thought it would huh.

Another bet? Lets hope this one won't be like dutch boy's where he said he will compare 5 different traffic brokers but was few hundred dollars short for that.
Lets see that british internet warrior muscles. Come on lad. :1orglaugh


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Fucking drunk.

Have a good night. I am bored with you two.

Yeah, cos ass holes breaking processors rules is why we all have to pay 16% to 3 or 4 semi monopolies. As for Sunday afternoons, if you're the bitch in your avatar you'd be spending your Sunday afternoon in my bed. If you aren't that person then you'd be in my bed anyway just to really make you ILL !

Good fuck off then, you were never relevant

Not one person (even me, who usually reads everything) read all that, no offense Jack.

Fact is it is all academic because he has buyers for his traffic so someone is making money.

I used to make real good money back a few years ago with Choker traffic. Glad he was around. Bottom line he provides opportunities for people to obtain traffic.

UKVixens, to run to Paypal to have someone's adult biz brought down because of a 5 letter word he "may" have called you on a chat board called gfy..

Un fucking believable.

I am sure you will be apologizing tomorrow which makes all this so fucking lame.

Carry on.. it's great entertainment as long as you are not the idiot caught up in it all. :thumbsup

Who Frisky? Who is saying I am ripping them off? Show me where someone is saying I am ripping them off. You make accusations and accusations and more accusations, all lies. Who is saying I am ripping them off? No fucking body, as usual nothing but lies come out of your mouth.

WHY ?, you all go on about Segpay and any other fucking processor that procceses for shit. PAYPAL is 100% non adult, Choker practically begs you on signup with Paypal to not mention adult. Are you all processing via Paypal for various things ? If you lost Paypal would you all lose your livelihood ? (loaded question)

He doesn't accept Paypal so what are you talking about? He might have a long time ago but trying to get him in trouble with them for it is like calling the police about a drug dealer not giving you the correct amount of weed.. c'mon now.

Ok, I'll bite since I am also an idiot to have read most of these 5 pages. :)

Here's why man. Because in a nutshell noone likes a rat and it is one of those cardinal rules you just dont do publicly.

You can do a lot of shit. But I never go to actually messing with someones livelyhood. It is inviting repercussions.

I like walking through life knowing I have not pissed anyone off and if I do I make it right best I can. Maybe wisdom comes with age (which you seem to not respect :) )

Ya know why (hardly) noone ever gives me shit here, one reason only. I am not the brightest bulb here and yet people let me do my thing. One reason. Not cause I am special. One reason...

Because I never give anyone (real) shit. Old pizza guy rule: :) You can deliver to ANYONE as long as you show respect first. :)

If you are not a bit boozed then I dont understand why you would get that worked up over a five letter word that was maybe meant for ME. :) I said some stuff earlier too. :)

Now tell me you didnt really email Paypal. :winkwink:

You want the link ?

Yeah nobodys a RAT when it suits THEM :)

Wake up fuckers...........paypal doesn't do adult

Sure.. his site doesn't have it listed as a method and I asked him numerous times if he could 'secretly' accept it because I didn't feel like going through all the hassle of setting up AlertPay but he never responded. Probably because he thought I would do something like you're trying to do.

We all know Paypal doesn't allow adult buddy, but we try to make transactions anyways because it's less of a hassle and we just want to transfer some money and move on..

You want to screw up his Paypal (and yours) because he called you a name, am I understanding that correctly?

2 observations:

1. UKVixens - You are acting like a idiot basically proving he was right in calling you an idiot, idiot. You should just block gfy.com because it is quite clear you cant handle this place. I have a 5 year old that doesn't throw temper tantrums like this. I can just picture you there shaking while refreshing this thread, reading the latest posts, getting up, walking to a wall and punching it while screaming "i'll kill you motherfucker". Get medicated or find jesus or something.

2. Jack Sparrow - Traffic brokers have been around a long time, ever wonder why? The traffic isnt the greatest but guess what, some people can convert it, if everyone couldn't the brokers wouldnt be around, simple as that. Basically this whole thread proves you don't have a clue what to do with it. I clicked your link earlier. Some offline skank's page got loaded. If you get a sale off that congrats on finding one of a couple hundred people that just got out of prison today and needs to relieve himself immediately.

Choker won the "make the other side look like an idiot" battle, but his traffic is clearly crap honestly. I don't know why he doesn't setup his system better so that it's more productive instead of sending it through a bunch of shitty 1999 TGP pages.

Honestly it takes more than 200 posts in 8 years to realize that everyone around here is going to get their feelings hurt once in a while. :)

The trolls bitch slap me from time to time and even non trolls once in a while but then I even the score and then we kiss and make up a month later. :) Usually they were right. :)

But we never really intend real harm. This is a chatboard. Cmon.

some people have way too much time on their hands