I followed the links in question myself 3 times. All 3 times I got hung up at the loading chat window and nobody ever appeared. Of course I just closed the site. Who wouldn't?

Are you one of those British kids that likes to get loaded on booze (such a lame drug) and then fight. :)

setup line for the master image smiths around here to insert a perfect image :)

Lets all jump into the mosh pit. Cmon Choker ya old bastard :) trolls, all of us... lets RUMBLE. :)

Yep, some shit saying chat loading but it never does? But according to the great Frisky there's nothing wrong with his site. I clicked 10 times, got hung up 3 times, got a model live 5 times and twice got a model in private already. 50% of the time I got what I was supposed to get, a random online now model in free teaser chat.

Sure, I'll book the transatlantic flight now. LOL

Is that his fault or Streammates for how they handle traffic to their whitelabels? I've been looking for a good cam sponsor to use to get into promoting cams but I want the landing page to ALWAYS be a live model on cam with audio. Maybe that just isn't availabe 100% of the time? Idk..

OK back on track but leave Choker's age out of this. That is the only thing that actually bothers me. :)

Fuck it is a drag getting old in the adult biz. :)

I know when you are 20, 40 is ancient. Luckily I am not 50 yet :winkwink:

Age is just a number. :2 cents:

My mother acts younger than I am.

LOL This thread needed a laugh. :)

My god, a thread goes from Sparrow doing a test with 5 brokers to a.. mess. :)

Fact is all skim is about the same and yes who cares if they trade it around. It is their traffic to do what they want and build sites how they want ect.

skim is skim .. it is a tough nut that can be cracked but ya got to work at it.

If a popunder or a skimmed click is a substantially better site than the orig parent site, then maybe that site wont do so bad. Never above 1 min on site time but still enough to make a small profit.

Work on your sites until they are finer than a babies ass then maybe you can have a shot at converting skim. Because if you can you are then in control.

Yes skim is skim but if the page is setup correctly you can skim traffic in an extremely targeted and productive way.

Buying teen traffic and receiving hits from the granny or mature page is absolutely unacceptable.

..and thats where i stopped. i wanted the facts about traffic broker business practices and that need was satisfied. all the name calling and slander is a waste of time.

if making money is not your top priority then u should never hit the reply button because you are wasting our time. if u are a webmaster making some actual money, then by all means write whatever the fuck you want.

however the good ones don't have gfy on auto refresh. anybody who replies to more than a dozen threads a day on gfy is having money problems. they either have none or have too much (Shap).

I hear ya. That could help a lot and real good point.

Noone has addressed why there is 5 times fewer buyers and 8 times more traffic in some niches or types compared to 1 1/2 years ago (among most skim brokers) and why lowering price to allow more profitability (just a tad) would not sell more hits and be win-win.

Lets say a broker has 350,000 hits in a type of traffic (maybe high prod US only) and only sells 80,000 (per day). How is it benefitting the broker as the other 270,000 clicks are going back to a site owned by the orig seller. Click not sold.

But maybe that is not for me to know. :)

In my book Choker is good people, even if it was hard getting my sites approved. Now, Choker, can I use some easier method to get you cash from Aussie Land to you ?

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:1orglaugh

Best gif ever (courtesy of Martinsc)

I actually have a bag of chips right now. :) But I always get to these threads too late at night. (US time)

Lets face it, you put the US people to bed and everything screams to a halt.

Where does it say there are less traffic buyers around and more traffic to buy? Or that the leftover traffic is going back to the traffic sellers?

To answer anyways:
Maybe (<-) since times are tough lately the available traffic is being squeezed more and more first for what it's worth by brokers and the leftovers value is decreasing more and more.

Anyway, Choker said that he has no problem selling out the traffic. So someone must be buying it. It's pretty obvious the reason he says to send it to dating and cams and not paysites is because dating and cams are doing well despite the quality of traffic, which is probably why those types are his biggest buyers. I only wish he would filter it better or find publishers with quality sites so that the traffic would work with paysites and whatnot and he could charge more for it, no one could say anything bad about it, and he wouldn't have to explain all the time why it doesn't work with certain types of sites.

Ya know Choker has that "must have content" rule. Choker is like Sargento cheese from Wisconsin. He is "very, very persnickety" :)

Choker, if you can bend that rule for me, (you are the only one who has it) I would submit a fantabulous site. But I hate rejection. :) Especially by Choker. Anyone else. But I can NOT be rejected by Choker. :)

I am old school. I havnt hosted a pic or vid in ages. LOL :winkwink:

In answer to your q. I hate to name the broker but who is the biggest broker of skim :) In "no refer" for example there used to be 40 buyers, (1 to 1 1/2 years ago) now there is like 5-10.

Go look. This broker tells you how many buyers per niche/type. Same for No Cookie. US High Prod. Tranny.

Across the board there are def way less buyers and way more traffic available.

Why? I would think because many guys tried and many failed to make a profit. So why not lower price.

I doubt we will get a straight answer on this Jakez but I just like to mention it to the brokers. Who knows.

The board is full of reps trying to sell skim. Skim is not selling but they refuse to lower price. If price were lowered 25% I would buy way more (skim) traffic than I do.

Maybe Choker is selling all his but he is way smaller than the others from what I can see.

Does Jack have any evidence of surfer activity besides google analytics? Is it a whitelabel or do you have access logs too?

Is the GA code on EVERY page on that site?

You could lower it 25% and still a bunch of guys would not be profitable but there would be a few guys who would then crack the nut and who would buy more. And the broker and traffic seller makes more at the end of the day.

And there would still be a ton of unsold.

I am talking to Traffic Holder and Traffic Shop in particular. Who else is there really. :)

Traffic Adept went belly up. And Pro Traffic is also kaput now I guess arent they.

Choker is maybe #3 now days but the other 2 have way more traffic I do believe.

The bounce rate is not Chokers fault. Look at the pages Frisky is sending traffic to. They are total shit. No one is gonna buy anything there.

Just shows what a clueless dimwit Frisky is.

When you send traffic they usually give you a return link (to another of your own sites) for any traffic that clicks but is not bought.

I think they all do this.

Thus, there is 350,000 hits available (on ave) and only 80,000 sold for example by a broker, the other hits get jerked somewhere else. However their script is worked out. So in essence they retain control and try to sell it otherwise.

Maybe the market is self regulating and it prob is. It could just mean that Traffic Holder for example could not sell it but the click still retains value as maybe then ND takes a shot or such.

The click retains value even tho it is not sold by TH and hence I guess the market is what it is.

this thread makes about as much sense as one TGP gallery making 10 sales on my site and another the next day with the same posting making none and the bad sales one being said to be the same quality. duuuuu

does choker have the best traffic in the world. NO. neither does google. Wake the fuck up. You need a BRAIN to convert it. Choker would not have survived this long if some people were not able to convert his traffic at a profit. What works for some, doesn't for others.....

He just filtered you with the word CHOKER so no worries about other traffic sources.

In other words ( I swear this is the last on this) if they (the middle man broker) lower prices they have to also lower prices to their sellers who then say "screw you" I am setting my script to way less TH and way more ND.

So maybe TH charges high because they are the first crack at the traffic. Hmm "if the suckers (or in a very few cases, profitable buyers) buying at the skim brokers wont pay .4 cents a hit than I'll send this shit (via script) to ND"

So maybe we skim buyers are all big suckers. :)

We HAVE to out produce ND to compete.

That is how it really is.

Read it and weep. :)

so whats the ratio ? u got? lol

Nothing against ND. They are my god. :) But I think they might be able to out convert me. Maybe? Maybe not? Maybe? :)

Scripts are what REALLY ruined this biz LOL but that is another story and I guess we cant stay in 1999 forever. :)

Skim makes more than clicked obviously for sellers.

So why do they not sell it themselves (in answer to some questions earlier) They do sell it themselves but it is run over certain hotbeds to milk it for all it's worth before they sell it.

Like EVERYTHING in adult there is no such thing as a free lunch or even a free piece of pie or even a few leftovers. :)

Especially, it is a TOUGH business for the affil or ANY middle man. Dont think it isnt. Very tough.

If only you had the balls

Good q cooldude, I like you but an affil never gives his exact ratios. :)

But nowdays I am looking to buy more traffic and ramp my shit up. I still have a few winners. :)

If I am able to even begin to convert skim at a profit, then bet your sweet bippy I am competing with the best in the biz. :)

TO RECAP

"Damn right, bounce rate needs to be read carefully, depends on where the surfer is coming from, going to and what he's "expecting to see". So people buy traffic from other traffic brokers and then resell it on......hmmmm sounds like securitisation to me and look where that left us."

I AM AN IDIOT and was a paying customer. End of.

LOL :thumbsup That was funny.

Let me think.. there is an old SNL episode with a mosh pit over in England.. damn Ill think of it.. they are bouncing around every yank that goes over there.. funny as hell.. damn what was it.. they also had the guy from Duran Duran who go bounced around.. funny sketch. Anyone?

Anyhow I can see you all working Choker around. LOL

We need images or vids. Ill think of it.. :)

The customer is always right. :)

But I doubt Choker will lose much sleep. Choker had a buttload of traffic 8 years ago. Got to admire him. He knew how to program in the early days when it counted.

Technically it isnt Choker's traffic. He just owns the franchising at Grand Central Station. It all flows through his hands. Brilliant really.

It all comes from the early circle jerk days which is all skim is really.

Found the ep :)

MTV Spring Break U.K. 93

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so funny they bounce around Pauly Shore, Simon La Bon (Chris Farley) and others in a Mosh Pit of British, punked out hooligans. hehe :) Sandler as Pauly Shore and Melanie Hutsell as a really funny looking Brit punker.

No luck on finding the vid :disgust

look at the site in this idiot's sig:

http://www.majelazezediamond.co.uk

i think it's safe to play "guess the race" game here

:1orglaugh

no wonder he;s acting like a total fucking imbecile

:) Mwah :))

I think it's that Choker's finely tuned sense of judgement caught your personality earlier than the rest of us. Now you've had a chance to bleat a bit more, we all see it. :thumbsup

Independent test:

http://www.myfreeporncams.com/export...e/?AFNO=choker

I've visited the page 3 times over a period of 24hrs. I used 3 different browsers:
* Every time I visited the page, it did load a chat with a girl (no empty couch).
* Every time I visited the page, it did take a long time for the chat interface to load. The page itself loaded instantly, but it took respectively, 35, 40 and 11 seconds for the "loading interface" message to disappear and the video to appear.

</constructive feedback>

Why the bounce rate? I cant figure it out

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that's got to be Megan Foxx

You must be a nother fake nick to tell idiot frisky that he is sluekless and needs a brain. Oh no. Watch out for his employees marco and Eastwood. They WILL come after you. Probably booking flight already.
Oh and dont forget about thta "drunk of his ass" brit guy. He is da real internet warrior.

Wait, its White Sancho, another one of Frisky's employees in his multi-national company named BroMedia.



PS: I wonder what takes so long for dutch clown to post all stats. I Thought he was quick?

I guess the mobile traffic is also filtered: http://www.thesextubesite.com/

How many of these sites fo you run your rehashed traffic through before a buyer gets it choker?

And care to explain your statement, that you cost me 100k in income? Being the honest biz man you are, we would love to know before anyone does biz with you again.