He could be referring to that Google domain name placement thing that was brought up in the other post relating to this one.

Funny how little clown keeps avoiding requests to post all stats yet repeats "you cost me 100k in income" question over and over as if thats what this bet was about. What a punk.

Not strange ... I have purchased traffic for both mainstream and porn.

BOTH times (the porn one is about 80% done) I have found that sales and signups have dropped tremendously during the month of purchased traffic. My porn sales are DOWN around 75% on the first 20,000 hits of a 27,000 package I purchased. Most hits stay around '0' to '5' seconds on the website. I also hit them hard with a exit console that usually produces very very well ... but, during the first 20K hits, even the exit traffic is not converting.

I honestly believe purchased traffic from ANYONE is pure SHIT and NOT going to make you any money.

Just my honest opinion.

:( :mad: :( :mad: :(

sorry bro but i disagree and so do my stats

Google is #1 in my book

carry on

Before I post, take note that I don't know, or care about either of the 2 actually involved in this debate.

That being said, as I read through the entire thread, one thing rings in my head constantly...

Choker, you keep bringing up that he's not posting full stats, but instead is posting only 1/3 of total traffic stats you sent him.

Now, what concerns me is the following:

Are you admitting that 1/3 of your traffic sold is absolute garbage and/or fake? If I were a buyer and I bought x amount of "premium"* traffic only to find out 1/3 of it is worse than garbage, I'd be highly pissed. So please clear this up.

* the OP is saying he bought premium_us traffic, you're saying it was geo_us or w/e and not premium but didn't start this claim until 4 pages or so into this whole ordeal, OP then claims you changed it in your back end.. This need to be resolved as well.

My reason for posting on this matter is simple.. we're looking to start up some blogs and such in the near future and have been considering buying traffic to get them jump started. I'm not defending the OP as I have no idea who he is, what he's about; nor do I care.

If you'd prefer to call me an idiot, that's fine as well; but the issue above is a real concern that I think you should explain. Because without explanation here's how I see it... you're selling ~70k as premium_us but in reality, only 2/3 of that traffic is "real", the other 1/3 is mixed in garbage. It should be very obvious as to why this is a concern.

No I'm not saying that 1/3rd of my traffic is garbage or fake, to recap what has already been posted, the 1 third he is sending to a random page that only works half the time, Try it yourself. Others have and have confirmed this. He is sending the same traffic to both pages, yet one has a bounce rate of 94% and the other around 80%. So the problem is obviously not the traffic since both pages get the same traffic.

I didn't change anything in any backend, I'm sure someone who cares enough can do a google cache search and see this. Premium is a play on words the OP is manipulating. to me and pretty much most people consider premium to refer to the country, ie premium countries are us uk ca germany etc. Non premium are brasil mexico etc

Well i've just read IT ALL and i'm none the wiser :(

This thread isnt about any bet retarded fake nick :)
Go clean up your mommies basement, nobody cares for your fake nick trolling :)

get off his case already?

Don't be jealous of Choker

Regarding your first paragraph, thanks for explaining.

Regarding the 2nd... I'm not sure what to make of this. You're saying 2 things here, the first of which is that he didn't actually buy premium_us traffic but instead he actually bought geo_us traffic. But you are also saying the the term premium traffic only refers to the country of which the traffics comes from. So it's a bit contradictive and really needs to be cleared up.

The way I understand it, you basically have 2 types of traffic...

Premium which equates to managed/clicked traffic, like from a text link, banner ad, etc.

Then you have non premium traffic, which equates to skimmed traffic from tgps, tubes, etc. - like when a visitor clicks a thumb that he thinks is going to show a picture but instead takes him somewhere else.

Not trying to bash you here but you're taking 2 different stances on the whole premium thing which raises concern. Or it could just be me, I don't know ><

Ive been buying and selling traffic, gone from webmaster to manager to company owner, and ive never ever seen something this crappy for a long long time.

But yeah. Seems the definition of quality and premium is completely different on chokertraffic. Now he starts boasting about it being good at 80%. Im used to buying traffic with a br of 30-40 for the same price. Not even mention 1/3 of his traffic is pure crap filtered through questionable sites up to 10 times before the buyer gets it.

Cool way of making money :)

Sleazy has no idea of traffic lol. Any traffic he sees is at tge freeway when he is collecting empty beer bottles :)

Thank you bob. Guess the 50% not loading stats choker pulled out of his ass card is played out too :)

Yeah I've seen all kinds of cams sites that get popped up (talking about the internet as a whole here) and it's never 100% a hot chick. The scripts can't tell whether or not the model is in front of the cam when they send traffic to it. I really don't understand what all the fuss is about Jack's landing page, it takes no longer to load than any other cam landing page and shows a live model on cam the same amount of times also.

But the little 50 post guys who supposedly joined in 2011 love to grasp at these little straws poking fun instead of bringing up any kind of good point or argument.


Lol visited that on my iphone and clicked a thumb and it skimmed me to a parked domain. LOLERSKATES Let me grasp at straws and point out this stupid little thing in every post for 7 pages.

Who cares if theres no model on cam sometimes, isn't that the fault of Streammate?

ok I'll explain again. Premium refers to the country. Premium is us uk ca au etc
non premium is brasil turkey etc
The op is buying the niche from me named geo_us, he was claiming it was named premium_us, he lied. End of story, doesn't matter if it was named geo_us or premium_geo_us, he was claiming that if its called premium then it must be the best traffic I have, not true, once again he was manipulating facts. Again, premium refers to the country, not the quality.

Butthurt little man? Everyone here know you're the fake one here. Delusional fuck with imaginary employees.

Bwaaaaaaaaahaha.. How many imaginary employees did you have besides marco and Eastwood?
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-imag...0/laugh460.jpg

http://www.phlmetropolis.com/Crowd%20laughing.jpg

You do realize that half of the time that 2011 guy is probably Dark Jedi who has more traffic than all of yours and frisky's combined and then multiplied by 100? He probably could have given this dutch retard few tips on how and what to do with chokers traffic but it fucking frisky we're talking about. He won't listen! He will go on and go on with his idiotic rambling about choker and obsession with fake nicks, 100K that he didn't lose, his fucking company that doesn't exist and of course his quality traffic sites that no-one seen. Come on dude.

OK -- so I'll ask you directly: no matter what you call it, if traffic is "premium", can't you monetarize it better by sending it to your own pay sites or a good affiliate program that pays $35+ PPS?

I don't give a flying fuck if Mr. "Internet User" is Bill Gates. He NEVER contributes ANYTHING to ANY thread except stirring shit up with people or between them. LOL @ "He probably could have given this dutch retard a few tips" when all he does is troll.

If we're going to point out all kinds of little things how about buying teen traffic that comes from URLs like:
teensite.com/cat/mature/index.htm
teensite.com/cat/bbw/index.htm

That's unacceptable. The system needs a major revamp.


Broker buys millions of hits and takes for himself what he knows how to convert and sells the rest to people who can convert it. But nothing wrong with that if the buyers are satisfied and know what to do with it.

Well how about it?
Obviously its not going to do any good if u buy "teen" traffic from mature site.
It also doesn't do any fucking good if you send teen or mature traffic to webcam page with Mexican guy name Poncho rubbing his cock.
Doesn't take rocket scientist.

Read again. Buying teen traffic and being sent mature/bbw traffic from a teen domain is very unacceptable IMO, and this happens in Chokers system and I know it because I have bought traffic, have you? Are you just trolling or what?

What is your account name I'll check this. I do have thumbs of mature shemale etc at the bottom of teen sites, but you can't buy this traffic by domain so I'm not sure what your refering to. So is it possible to get mature traffic from a teen site of mine? yes if the surfer clicks on a mature thumb on a teen site he can be sold to you as mature niche, but again you can't buy this traffic by domain name. The fact that he is on a teen site and clicked a mature thumb does not mean he doesnt want to see mature shit, in fact it says he does, but I need to see what niches you are ordering to see how this is happeneing in your account.

Of course its unacceptable but this is not the case here. Are you trolling or have too much time on your hands?
We are talking about buying traffic and sending it to a page thats going to fail. That webcam preview page that he was sending traffic to looks just like any popup livejasmin window on picture hosts and file sharing networks. Porn surfers aren't stupid and not the same they were 10 years ago. Of course they are going to close that page right away. The real question is why frisky refuses to show other stats for index page, after all he's directing twice as much traffic over there.

Because I would need about 100 different paysites in 100 different niches to keep the surfers going to different sites. Send 10k hits to a sponsor and you wil lbe lucky if 7500 are credited to you, not saying sponsors shave, 25% loss is about average due to many different factors. Now most sponsor programs will say they count 100% and I'm full of shit, well do your own test, its easy enough.

He can't post actual stats cause hes buying to that page withOUT the choker linking url. I reverse engineered the math and came up with a 80% bounce rate, I used his stats he posted and did the math, it's not that hard to do really.

Jakez, just ignore fake nicks like justalex, internetuser, bbarnardo etc etc. They havent been banned from this forum for shits and giggles, thats why they need to hide behind fake nicks ;) tgey dont have a clue who i am, what sites i run, or what companies i own, let alone know how much traffic goes through my sites everyday. I love how they think that all i got after 9 years in this biz is oneclicktube or myfreeporncams. Let them believe that, its exactly what i want retards like that to believe :) i like to keep my biz to myself, i even avoid events and such because of it :)

Account name is jakezz

I bought pop_lq_teens (popunder low quality teens). But I stopped the order when I saw this thread and looked at the referrer stats and this is what is being sent:
http://i.imgur.com/79NNV.jpg

I really just wish you would revamp your whole system so that the traffic is more targeted and isn't just being thrown around everywhere and you could also charge more..

Says the guy talking about shit no one cares about like whether Jack Sparrow has employees or not. I wonder if he has a girlfiend? Lets talk about that too! I have nothing more to say to you..

Thanks for clarifying but I'm still not fully understanding how you're classifying this premium vs non premium. I'm not trying to give you a hard time, just trying to makes sense of this trainwreck of a debate...

What's confusing is you're telling me here and now that premium refers to country, nothing else...

But then on your site, while it does stick to regional for pricing, you have 2 sections. Premium and non premium...

Buy CLICKED Premium Traffic For As Low As $3.00/K
This Is ONLY CLICKED Traffic From Directory Sites Targetted By Niche
Performs Great On Tube Sites / MGP Sites
http://www.chokertraffic.com/buyers/premium/

But then you also have this page:

Buy NON PREMIUM Traffic For As Low As $0.50/K
Buy US / Canada / UK Traffic For As Low As $1.50/K
Performs Great On Dating / Webcam Sites
http://www.chokertraffic.com/buyers/geo/

And while the pricing for the 2nd page I linked is higher for US/Canada/UK traffic, it's still listed as non premium... so you're site contradicts what you're telling me now... unless I completely missed something.

I'm not trying to bust your balls here, but anyone who takes 2 minutes to read your post then check out your site, they can see the contradiction.

Want to post some proof that I have been banned before asshole?
You sure sound like you know who I AM.
You avoid everyone because you'd get your ass kicked, troll.

I've tested this before and even when a surfer kept clicking a banner (becoming raw hits) and seeing the same tour over and over they sometimes buy the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc time.. and sending them to the same tour over and over made more $$$ than sending to multiple sponsors because the original one simply converts the best.. just food for thought (I'm sure you've noticed this plenty of times already). But yeah having other sites to send them to would be ideal.

Edit: is it fair to call skimmed traffic clicked traffic? Just another thing that bugs me :(

Than keep you mouth shut.

Wow lol, it sure as hell took you long to bring up another lie. So ive been calling it like it was named for 2 days now, US_PREMIUM like it WAS named in your admin system, and you never said anything before but now you deny its called that? Lol, i think if we go search all my posts in the other thread we we notice i called it like it was weeks ago.

You keep trying to bullshit your way out of this, but you are constanty contradicting yourself. Now you dont even know how you call it yourself anymore? Lol! Yep totally convincing. I guess i just made that name up weeks before YOU demanded
Me to post stats.

The reversed engineer stuff is hilarious, funny shit there haha.

You might wanna reverse engineer 1/3 of your traffic because you said it yourself when i just mentioned the numbers: your conclusion was i was accusing you of sending fake traffic, based on these very numbers.

Its hard to keep up with so many lies or? See how i never contradict myself? Thats because i make statements based on facts staffed with numbers, versus your reverse engineering, lies, assumptions, playing with numbers.

Why dont you post some more sites in this awesome network you filter traffic through up to 10 times, purchased from other brokers (your own words buddy). Maybe we can form an unbiased opinion if we saw a couple more of those, but im pretty sure you wont post them, and we all know the reason why.

Btw. You where right about me not going as low to get your paypal blocked, i guess i cant think the same of you, since you said you are the reason i lost 100k income. We still have no explanation to that statement either.

I don't think anybody really takes Frisky seriously so I wouldn't be too worried about it myself.

Watch out for that "you're fake nick" punchline. Because everyone here is fake except for Marco and Eastwood that use same IP address as their "boss" and usually start posting on GFY after their "the boss" gets banned. :1orglaugh

Popunders are a different story. Lots of these sites that sends popunders have 20 to 40 different category pages, to create a niche for each one of thier pages is simply not feasible. What I do is test their traffic and send the same amount to 10 different niche pages of mine. Whichever one performs the best thats what I classify that domains traffic as. Revamping the sytem to make niches such as domain_teens domain_mature, well I would have 10 thousand diferent niches and it would be so confusing it would be pathetic. The 1rst spot 2nd spot etc traffic is from the exact niche thumb, but it's not $1.50 like popunders are. At the end of the day what you need to consider and nothing else is simply what is the productivty of that traffic on your site versus how much you paid for it. Example 1000 popunders with 100% productivty on your site that cost you $1.50 is the same as 1000 skimmed hits that cost you $3 per k with 200% productivity.

Sorry... I just got here. Is it Obama's fault yet?



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These popunders do good on sites like the one your buying to I have been told by more than one buyer. If it bothers that that your getting traffic from a mature site when buying this traffic, then don't buy it. In my opinion it doesn't matter where the traffic is coming from, as long as it converts. Another thing your buying all countries, that's not good. You should order just US UK CA AU to that page. When you click buy traffic you are given the choice of countries to buy from.

Looks to me 9 pages of this thread is about people caring :)

I honestly care only a little about the bounce rate, or how many times choker runs it through his sites first. I want to know the ROI, yes I know the traffic is coming slow, but that could be a good thing depending on what payment method is being used for the cams. I forget is it PPS or a %. if it is a % then this gives it time for the signup to make sales.....

Can we get a update on amount made so far? and How much traffic is left to be sent?

Does the chick in your avatar have 2 different colored eyes? HA