Honestly, i like your style. Instead of all the hypocrits on gfy, you say whats on your mind. Some will love that, most will hate it because they cant handle the truth.

I know it got me hated for the same reasons.

Lemme know if you ever have something i can work on with you. Im ready for some change.

This is what I don't understand. Why a honest job is something bad? I mean, if it wasn't Chris (Version whatever) it would have been someone else. It WILL be someone else. Yes, the company hurts the business. Yes, they're causing trouble. and YES, EVERY SINGLE BRO IN THIS BOARD IS JUMPING ON THE TRAIN. Even worse, many of them are telling how opposed they are and playing their cards on the background while all the naive people takes a honest stand.

I mean, it's not like we have seen this 1 or 2 or 3 times. Anyone with at least 5 years in business have seen this happening no less than 100 times. Didn't we learn anything? Really? Just a hint: tube. Do a search for all the bros "strongly against it, and how it hurts the business and yadda yadda yadda"... until they were exposed with their own tubes, which they were building while smooth talking.

Bottom line is that I don't care and I didn't care about Chris relation to ICM. Maybe I'm too old, but I like to see things happening at plain sight and then make decisions based on it, test the market, "feel" the tides... rather than everything happening on the background and waking up to a whole new scenario that was arranged in secrecy.

Anyway, I understand adult industry has its own ways, which differ a lot of mainstream business, but even in adult information is power. And knowing what's going on is way better than not knowing.

But then again, maybe I'm too old for this shit :(

An honest job isn't something that is bad. I don't define anyone that has anything to do with ICM at this point as honest, therefore, to me, it is not an honest company, nor an honest job.

To each their own.

Perhaps it's time to live with in your means and sell the car and get something you can afford. Also if its true you have a coke problem, you might want to really try to kick that as I am sure it is expensive.

Why would you reluctantly take a job that there was nothing wrong with. I've never heard anything bad about trafficshop, why would you "reluctantly" work for them but hop on with ICM??? makes no sense.


yet again you will earn no points defending them. Stuart is evil because he IS a capitalist. You just totally don't get it. Being a capitalist and wanting to make as much money as he can doesn't make him evil to most people, but it does to people who *really* are in this industry. You are not in this industry. All you are is basically a bounce around from one company to the next employee. You can just as easy bounce to another industry. You own nothing here. What makes Stuart evil to everyone who is actually in this industry is because his *capitalist* success will come at our expense (not yours). Stuart has lied from day one that the industry supported this, the industry did not want it. He doesn't care about the industry he is just a money grabber, he had nothing to do with the adult industry, he just got a hair up his ass to get the .xxx tld to make money. In the end his success will be at our expense. Am I suppose to like him for it. Fuck no, I have a right to not like someone who is a piece of shit that wants to jeopardize my income. Sorry I don't give him a free pass for trying to "be rich". Fuck him. You are so clueless to what the people here think because you are not in our shoes. Is the person who steals content and then profits off of it a capitalist and should be given a free pass too? Maybe to you, but not the person who is affected in a negative way financially from it.

Mark my words, the only plan that he has that will be successful for him is to push to make .xxx mandatory. Then he gets to make 100's of millions and everyone in the industry loses a lot of money.

you are an idiot. What lesson was learned and who was getting rich quick? What the fuck are you even talking about here. Are you trying to say you learned your lesson for taking the job? The lesson you should have learned was to not do what got you fired, that is more of the lesson you should be learning. Or don't take a job and put my eggs all in one basket, because that will alienate me from the entire industry, unless if you were to sure to have that job for a long long time. (you failed). And get rich quick? Taking a good job is not getting rich quick, wtf are you talking about.


Seriously, go flip burgers or do whatever you did before you started working in this industry because you have absolutely no fucking clue about the adult industry. .xxx isn't change like "tgp sites going away because of tube sites". That is stupid. .XXX isn't some change in the market, its a fucking game changer. It affects everyone, not just people who owned tgp sites. And it's not like you can "adapted" and keep going. If things go ICM's way .xxx is going to be forced down your throat and regulated. Not only by Asshole staurt and his bs board on iffor but by the federal govt and could go as far as being blocked by universities all the way up to entire countries. Yeah, that's *change* like tgp sites :upsidedow


Fuck you and I could care less what you think. You will be on Chris 5.0 soon and looking for yet another job. You are so clueless it's not even funny and your opinions are a joke. You should stick to making retarded posts, about the only thing you are good at.

YET again you fail. every time you post you fail. Obviously this was your attempt at an apology post, but your defending of ICM, pathetic analogies showing your lack of total understanding and appreciation for the situation, and your excuses and justifications kind of killed the "apology" theme. FAIL.

and.... that gives him no excuse to go make a thread " post proof or be banned'. If someone else leaked the info early then he should have said no comment and just let it go until it was public.


not discussing it I think says a lot.

I run sites since 16 years (adult from 2003, when I signed in GFY) so I am not the newbie, still I am unsure on this XXX/ICM thing, if it is good or bad or the effects. I am amazed people care so much and are so sure that XXX is pure evil and whoever touch it it is the enemy - and in meantime booking XXX domains just in case?

I know Chris because I buy lots traffic for my cam sites (easier then large affiliate programs made of lots dramatic mini-webmasters) and Chris was there at trafficshop. I wanted to buy in any case, w hoever was there at sales, but one day their software went nuts and billed or delivered wrong. Chris solved all in elegant way and customer not lost, there is also matter of mood and wrong sales rep can fuck up worth million dollar future sales, you know - it is even matter the wrong word or delay 5 minutes more.

Except this single case, Chris was always there and answering while 90% of adult biz people are so lazy, offline and delayed more then who does things for hobby. In adult biz there are super unavailable guys who think they are too cool to care to anyone (and this is why some sites are doing bad, not because of Manwin really), Chris seems not affected of such pathology yet. Note that answering to GFY posts quickly does not make a webmaster efficient, it is the opposite, delay in real biz is often because lost lots of time in read and write BS here.

BUT! If he knows well this biz he had to forecast that joining XXX/ICM (in this moment) it was too risky for reputation or just friendliness that it is foundamental for a sales person of service used by many. I don't know details but he was Obviously naive in thinking people don't say "go fuck yourself" for those things. I would have not guessed XXX/ICM it is so hated (I learned now) but he should have guessed being a social sales person.

moron, you don't own a "camgirls" site. You have a white label.

Am I smooth like Google fucking you smooth, or am I even smoother than that??? Since you got fucked by google and can't use adwords I noticed that "camgirls" fell off the front page of google's organic results... So you getting fucked x2 from them.

Or am I smoooth like Rick getting camgirls.com for free in a couple months when you can't pay your pawn payments.. Now thats the smoooooth I strive to be.

Damn ..... Back to back to back home runs.

I know i'm new on these boards and probably shouldn't be writing in this thread but if i could advise you on one thing.

"After seeing their business plan from the inside I can tell you with a firm belief that they will be successful etc"

I would stop with this. Most of the people you are trying to repair things with hate them and don't want to hear about them in general. I honestly think if you stop talking about them, as well as saying stuff like "if you don't like me fuck you" etc it may help. These two things are on every post you write.

I started reading these threads a little bit before this all happened and from my view you just broke a lot of peoples trust in you. People bought a shitload of traffic from you and over time were led to believe you were a friend or cared about them and their sites etc. It happens to me a lot at my mainstream job, i start to feel of my boss like hes one of the family but then work gets slow during the summer and i either get forced into part time or temporarily laid off.

Anyway, you go to and start working for what most here refer to as the enemy and pretty much betray them in their eyes. You then try to ban a fellow gfyer for mentioning it and pretty much tell people fuck your views and beliefs on this, your friendships didn't mean squat, i could care less about your financial futures i just care about my own. I'm not saying you shouldn't have taken the job just that you should expect people to be pissed off and hurt because of how you handled everything.

Trying to ban that one guy kind of showed people you don't give a fuck about them, or at least led them to believe that in my opinion.

I don't love or hate ya as i have never done business or really spoken with you, just sharing the way i saw this unfold as it seems you may not understand why people are so angry.

hope it helps, best of luck with everything.

Wil, I took it as joke, it's not like he has any pull on getting people banned here. Obviously it was an unnecessary topic like man y others.

It's just a policy, no different than what most companies enforce. I gave him a fair warning if he didn't stop the non-stop, non-sense new threads I would ban him for the year.

He said it himself that he likes to be liked, he doesn't like being the bad guy, etc. I don't know why but it almost seems to me as if he doesn't understand why people are so mad. I was just explaining my view on everything.

You make a lot of sense, like i said i don't think he should do stuff for others just think he handled it the wrong way if he wanted to keep his relationships positive with his fellow GFYers.

There are legit concerns. Although there have been a lot of public discussions, news coverage and panels on this subject a lot of webmasters and company owners either don't know a lot about it or haven't put critical thought on the up to now given data.

good advice.


I'm off for the weekend, a lot of work waiting me.

I'll open a new thread this week in order for us to discuss .xxx in more detail.

New admin theory appears to be pretty laid back, good shit.

I dont usually work weekends, spend time with the family. Whats your user name again- I'll approve.

Thanks for the support people. I am just trying to keep it real... a wise person told me to do this and I am taking his advice. Thanks M!

OMFG this is good entertainment, I really enjoy this.

200k a year is tons of money? lol...where in kansas?

Must be a California thing. How the hell do these companies keep hiring $200k+ idiots?

No in America. Thats top 1%. I dont think its "a ton" but 200k after taxes is solid earnings imo

Yep - California is expensive to live in :Oh crap

I've never done business with Chris but have come across a lot of "Chris's" in both this Industry and the Music Industry. LOL To me, I would label Chris a "functioning bullshitter". He gets the job done, he functions, but he's flying on something (drugs? ego? mental disorder?) that propels him to say and do things that are, well, unstable and untrustworthy.

As I said, I haven't done business with Chris (or Trafficshop) but after reading this thread (and others) I would probably stay away from Chris (while doing business with Trafficshop). LOL No offense man but when this many people say they have a problem with you while others defend your work skills that tells me you may be someone who can get 'r done but someone who may not be worth the hassles.

Unless I'm missing something. The other thing I would add is it seems that some people want to help Chris, or watch out for him, and this tells me the guy isn't 100% evil just needs some focus and direction (like a lot of us). Again, unless I'm missing something here. :)

Who said after taxes?

ya they must have had their hands in all kinds of shit.

would love more details about the structure over there.

who wants to spill it??
:winkwink:

Although he makes mistakes he is still a member of this fucked up online community. If you wish harm on others for their errors what do you deserve?

As stated before, humility feeds the beast what it needs.

nobody. My point is 200k after taxes is very good money in America these days, even if you have a couple of kids.

200k before taxes is good money.
;)

Agreed. But let ME be clear here: I am not wishing anyone harm or ill will. What I'm saying is, for someone who does NOT do business with Chris then all this drama, and the posts in this thread and others, would make someone considering doing business with him a little wary. I think that's a reasonable take on things. this doesn't mean I WISH him ill will. LOL

Yeah no doubt, was just sort of a general "what if" statement. =]

Devils advocate 4L

Depends on the circumstances but yes, still good. For the average American, this would be "riches"

I bought some traffic at trafficshop with the help of chris, I think hes a nice guy & good at what he does, he may make some douche posts here on GFY but come on who doesn't lol... Anyway we all learn from our mistakes and we all gotta move on.

200,000 is good money period.

No it isnt. Guess depends on where in America. Not in the Notheast it isnt. Especially in the cites, NY Boston etc...:2 cents:

what would you like to know.... i could write a book......

200K is OK.... after taxes and expenses its enough to live decently. Its not rich by my standards. Ron Cadwell $ is probably what I would like to be making (in my dreams).

Realize that your expenses grow as your paycheck does.... so it doesnt really seem like more money, you just liuve better. Smart people put alot away in the bank, which I did but had to tap into when I was unemployed......

And 328 is a chicks car but if you drive it right trust me you can blow anyone away....

In NYC 200k is similar to 60k in say, Houston. Still decent for the AVERAGE person.

I couldnt live in NYC on less than 250k per year

properties, division of labor, major revenue streams.

the money can't all be from events and mags?

just curious tho. dont cross any legal lines..
/

did manwin buy avn? spill it ..

U can redeem yourself by telling us ICM's secrets on mandating .XXX. Who are the Democratic senators being influenced that will try to introduce this bill so that we may expose them. :Graucho

No one cares how you see yourself, you sold all of us out with ICM. Full stop right there. It's about time this industry took a stand against whores like you who will fuck the rest of us for a buck.

But for those who want to express sympathy for this asswipe, fuck you too. You're tainted by association.

People don't like you b/c you are a little fucking drama queen. It ain't complicated. Get over yourself.

:2 cents::2 cents: this

and that :2 cents::2 cents: i work at subway!!

All you on the east and west coast who need 200K a year to get by are getting robbed.

Unlike Jed who went to Beverly Hills, you all should leave. :)

You can live large on 120K (200K after taxes) a year in the midwest.

Shit you can live large on 60K a year if you try. That leaves 600K plus interet you WOULD of had in 2021. Or 300K if you make 5 years.

Instead some of you WILL regret the money you are pissing away on Vegas and all the shit that young guys blow money on.

I know EVERYONE is a baller and needs 200K to live "properly". :)

When the income drops someday (from this VERY iffy business) and the cash goes bye bye I will be playing "my heart cries for you" :)

Respect the cash is all I am saying. (not to anyone in particular)

avn bought gfy :2 cents:

I agree Vjo, I was fucked when i lost the avn gig... I never expected it to go away... but ad revenues sank, revenues sank, we layed off 70% of staff and cut down from 5 mags to one. On top of that tradeshow sales were tanking... avn was in every declining biz model that ws hit the hardest - its a miracle they survived...

M ylifestyle and bills were at 200K , and suddenly i was on unemployment...

I will NEVER make that mistake again... I downsized my car, sold my house, etc etc....

never seen anyone drive a bmw right :2 cents: and a big 101

well if you dare and you ever in LA ill give you the Mulholland race tour...Cahuenga to 405.... if theres not too many cars I can do it in 15-20 minutes....Not to many people can stomach it....

Good move man. It is tough for a young guy to do. I know I was young once. :) I pissed away a larger % of my money (prob not as many $$ as you all :) ) than prob anyone and I do regret it.

In life you almost always have your ups and downs unless you are really well off. A lot of times you really dont appreciate what you have until it is gone. We ALL have to learn that lesson. Then when it is gone you suddenly learn an appreciation for the $$ but then it may be too late.

Get a $2000 mortgage if need be. Get a reasonable USED car. Only fools imo (or guys who can REALLY afford it) throw 40K+ away to car dealers. And after all that you still got $2000 to blow a month while you save 60K a year.

You literally will not be able to spend 5K a month in the midwest unless you really try.

Move to Utah or Montana or somewhere. (if you dont mind cold, the colder the cheaper) You will first of all have your choice of beautiful midwestern girls as you WILL be a baller on 1/4 the money there. :)

It is all about reprogramming yourself and getting in an area where you can live reasonable unless you really are a million $ earner which there are some on this baord I guess.

Anyhow, maybe I helped someone who is doing well think clearly and save some for a rainy day.