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theking 06-14-2011 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 18214514)
The people..

Barack Obama (D)
Top Contributors

University of California $1,591,395
Goldman Sachs $994,795
Harvard University $854,747
Microsoft Corp $833,617
Google Inc $803,436
Citigroup Inc $701,290
JPMorgan Chase & Co $695,132
Time Warner $590,084
Sidley Austin LLP $588,598
Stanford University $586,557
National Amusements Inc $551,683
UBS AG $543,219
Wilmerhale Llp $542,618
Skadden, Arps et al $530,839
IBM Corp $528,822
Columbia University $528,302
Morgan Stanley $514,881
General Electric $499,130
US Government $494,820
Latham & Watkins $493,835

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/co...&cid=n00009638


Everyone else




Those numbers represent a fraction of the approximate $750 million dollars contributed. The bulk of his money came from individuals donating $1,000 dollars or less...the people...even PAC money is from the people.

onwebcam 06-14-2011 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 18214535)
Those numbers represent a fraction of the approximate $750 million dollars contributed. The bulk of his money came from individuals donating $1,000 dollars or less...the people...even PAC money is from the people.

In comparison

John McCain (R)
Top Contributors


Merrill Lynch $373,595
Citigroup Inc $322,051
Morgan Stanley $273,452
Goldman Sachs $230,095
JPMorgan Chase & Co $228,107
US Government $208,379
AT&T Inc $201,438
Wachovia Corp $195,063
UBS AG $192,493
Credit Suisse Group $183,353
PricewaterhouseCoopers $167,900
US Army $167,820
Bank of America $166,026
Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher $159,596
Blank Rome LLP $154,226
Greenberg Traurig LLP $146,437
US Dept of Defense $144,105
FedEx Corp $131,974
Bear Stearns $117,498
Lehman Brothers $114,357

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/co...&cid=N00006424


I take it you've never worked for a large corporation? One who makes a donation in your name and/or "suggests" you do so for job security? And you obviously ignored the vids.

SleazyDream 06-14-2011 01:53 AM

good luck herding cats

Sausage 06-14-2011 02:10 AM

Well fed & entertained people don't revolt.

Kiopa_Matt 06-14-2011 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Sausage (Post 18214573)
Well fed & entertained people don't revolt.

Did you hear Lindsay Lohen went to jail (again!). I found out while I was driving home in my SUV, eating a Wendy's triple bacon cheeseburger.

ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE 06-14-2011 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Sausage (Post 18214573)
Well fed & entertained people don't revolt.

+1:thumbsup

shade001 06-14-2011 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 18214391)
The people also have the power of lawful assembly to let their voices be heard by those in power.

Not anymore, you don't. You have a peaceful protest and the riot police show up with sonic weapons, tear gas and batons. For the naive or uninformed, which seems to be most, just look on Youtube.

When your legal responses are taken away from you the only response you have left.........are illegal ones. I laugh at those who take the side of despotism.

Let the blood of patriots and tyrants fall.

u-Bob 06-14-2011 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 18214391)
the power of the vote. It is up to the people to exercise that power or not. In between those years the people have the power to contact the ones that they previously elected to represent them and let them know their thoughts and provide those that represent them with their marching orders.

ah, the greatest illusion of our times... the idea that people are somehow able to change the system by voting....

I'd LOL if it weren't so very sad.

u-Bob 06-14-2011 07:03 AM

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tony286 06-14-2011 07:17 AM

The only thing about all this hacking lately. Its becoming a much larger problem. Are governments going to start locking down the net? They arent just hitting USA sites. That of course would suck for us.

V_RocKs 06-14-2011 07:19 AM

50 thoughts

V_RocKs 06-14-2011 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 18214514)
The people..

Barack Obama (D)
Top Contributors

University of California $1,591,395
Goldman Sachs $994,795
Harvard University $854,747
Microsoft Corp $833,617
Google Inc $803,436
Citigroup Inc $701,290
JPMorgan Chase & Co $695,132
Time Warner $590,084
Sidley Austin LLP $588,598
Stanford University $586,557
National Amusements Inc $551,683
UBS AG $543,219
Wilmerhale Llp $542,618
Skadden, Arps et al $530,839
IBM Corp $528,822
Columbia University $528,302
Morgan Stanley $514,881
General Electric $499,130
US Government $494,820
Latham & Watkins $493,835

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/co...&cid=n00009638


Everyone else




I watched your videos...

1) Who are you to even consider the idea that we are any different than sheep, ants, bees, cattle, wolf packs? Does a lion humanely kill its food? Fuck no! That food is hunted down and slaughtered. Often the rest of the pride is opening and eating its stomach while another lion is holding it down by its neck. Silly human. You get the right to think and now you "think" you are bigger than the cockroaches...

2) You must accept the fact that billions of people will not all act accordingly... So how would you get them all to stop having governments, produce only what they can themselves consume and have only enough children to maintain a healthy, environmentally safe number of humans?

So stop all of this jibber-jabber and get on with your life... slave.

PR_Glen 06-14-2011 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by u-Bob (Post 18214933)
ah, the greatest illusion of our times... the idea that people are somehow able to change the system by voting....

I'd LOL if it weren't so very sad.

so what is your solution then if it's not by voting?

In one corner you have a man or woman working hard for a politician to be elected, not being paid to do so but because they believe in what they are saying and believe they can make a change and do some good with their local community and more. In the other corner you have an internet cynic who doesn't have a plan, doesn't have a solution, doesn't have a leader to look up to and is only looking out for themselves. Who would you listen to and take more seriously? Who would you follow?

Sure you can say: 'well the second guy doesn't need to look up to anyone!' 'We don't need to follow anyone!' 'he/she is their own person!' Right? There would have been no American revolution if they didn't have leaders to follow, if they didn't have people to believe in, if they all acted as 'individuals' rather than a group.

If you don't like who's running, find someone who should or run yourself. If you can't win, it's not a conspiracy, it's not a government cover up, it's because you didn't give the people what they needed--you know, the ones who vote...

Nikki_Licks 06-14-2011 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 18215056)
so what is your solution then if it's not by voting?

Revolution?

Once the people have lost everything and have had enough of the antics of this government....the shit is gonna hit the fan. If this happens it's not going to be pretty.....:2 cents:

tony286 06-14-2011 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks (Post 18215141)
Revolution?

Once the people have lost everything and have had enough of the antics of this government....the shit is gonna hit the fan. If this happens it's not going to be pretty.....:2 cents:

Yep as long as they have stuff to lose thats not going to happen.

ilnjscb 06-14-2011 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 18213410)
i wonder how much stephen hawking charged them to do that voice-over?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

onwebcam 06-14-2011 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 18215168)
Yep as long as they have stuff to lose thats not going to happen.

Thanks to their actions over the past few years there are LOTS of people with nothing to lose and there will be MANY more to come. Very shortly you have earnings reports, the end of QE2, debt default, and several other straws that could break the camels back. What do you think the odds are of them all being good?

d-null 06-14-2011 10:37 AM

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_Richard_ 06-14-2011 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks (Post 18215141)
Revolution?

Once the people have lost everything and have had enough of the antics of this government....the shit is gonna hit the fan. If this happens it's not going to be pretty.....:2 cents:

:)

full circle.

Coup 06-14-2011 11:07 AM

My only criticism is that they need to stop releasing customer info

Leave the people out of it and I'm cool.


Direct action is the only action.

onwebcam 06-14-2011 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs (Post 18215044)
I watched your videos...

1) Who are you to even consider the idea that we are any different than sheep, ants, bees, cattle, wolf packs? Does a lion humanely kill its food? Fuck no! That food is hunted down and slaughtered. Often the rest of the pride is opening and eating its stomach while another lion is holding it down by its neck. Silly human. You get the right to think and now you "think" you are bigger than the cockroaches...

Lions and tigers and bears oh my.. They don't hunt down and slaughter their own kind. Will they fight and kill sure but they generally hunt down others for food.

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs (Post 18215044)
2) You must accept the fact that billions of people will not all act accordingly... So how would you get them all to stop having governments, produce only what they can themselves consume and have only enough children to maintain a healthy, environmentally safe number of humans?

So stop all of this jibber-jabber and get on with your life... slave.

"environmentally safe number of humans" kill yourself now and help us solve this problem if that's your concern.

Slave? Wrong person. I'm months away from being completely self-sufficient. Pretty much there already just putting on the finishing touches.

onwebcam 06-14-2011 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 18214400)
The elections are fixed. You know it, I know, everyone knows it. The only people who are allowed to get anywhere in them are those who support all of this. Look at the way things went with the debate tonight. The only one really talking about these issues is Ron Paul. But every article that came out and every news story on it just gave him an honorable mention. The chosen ones were put to the front of the line as usual.

Who won last night's Republican presidential debate on CNN?

It's a question a lot of pundits have been asking -- and there seems to be some consensus forming among the analysts: Former Mass. Gov. Mitt Romney and Minnesota Congresswoman Michele Bachmann. (The chosen ones)

But judging by the reaction of the audience in New Hampshire, a different candidate carried the night and it's a candidate many analysts are saying emerged as a loser.

That candidate? Congressman Ron Paul of Texas.


An analysis of audience reaction shows Paul was applauded twice as much as any other candidate on stage.

Throughout the two-hour debate, Paul was applauded 11 times. Romney, Bachmann, and former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty were each applauded five times. Former House speaker Newt Gingrich and businessman Herman Cain were each applauded four times. Former Pa. Senator Rick Santorum was applauded the least amount of times: Three.

After a slow start, Paul earned applause throughout the debate, on a variety of issues, including his opposition to "government assistance to private enterprise," his belief that people should be able to "opt out" of Medicare, his views on the separation of church and state, and his opposition to the United States' various wars.

"I'd bring them home as quickly impossible," he said of U.S. troops. "I'd quit bombing Yemen and Pakistan."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertai...0,419922.story

V_RocKs 06-14-2011 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 18215523)
Lions and tigers and bears oh my.. They don't hunt down and slaughter their own kind. Will they fight and kill sure but they generally hunt down others for food.



"environmentally safe number of humans" kill yourself now and help us solve this problem if that's your concern.

Slave? Wrong person. I'm months away from being completely self-sufficient. Pretty much there already just putting on the finishing touches.

You've gotta be kidding me right? You know nothing about nature it seems...

Lions have a strict class system. The dominate male is the only one passing on his genes. The dominate female forces the other females into their slave like roles. Ants... same thing... you are forced into your job. When ants get out of line they are killed.

It is just nature being nature and you are too "smart" to realize you are part of nature too.

onwebcam 06-14-2011 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs (Post 18216118)
You've gotta be kidding me right? You know nothing about nature it seems...

Lions have a strict class system. The dominate male is the only one passing on his genes. The dominate female forces the other females into their slave like roles. Ants... same thing... you are forced into your job. When ants get out of line they are killed.

It is just nature being nature and you are too "smart" to realize you are part of nature too.

You can continue making excuses for their behavior and continue on in your servitude as for me I'm off the plantation. I don't see humans as animals and make no comparisons to. Obviously you do. You fit right in to their thinking. I guess you believe you will be some master in their utopian dreams?

onwebcam 06-14-2011 04:13 PM

Two faced
 
Top 25% of world's hackers are under FBI control
The FBI and US secret service have used the threat of prison to create an army of cyber terrorists to control all cyber crime globally
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...s-fbi-informer

US bankrolls 'shadow Internet for dissidents' abroad

(AFP) – 3 hours ago

WASHINGTON — The US government is financing the development of "shadow" Internet systems to enable dissidents abroad to get around government censors, The New York Times reported on Sunday.

The newspaper said the covert effort also includes attempts to create independent cellphone networks inside foreign countries.

The operation involves a fifth-floor shop on L Street in Washington, where a group of young entrepreneurs are fitting deceptively innocent-looking hardware into a prototype "Internet in a suitcase," the report said.

Financed with a $2.0 million State Department grant, the suitcase could be secreted across a border and quickly set up to allow wireless communications over a wide area with a link to the global Internet, the paper noted.


Read More
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...s-fbi-informer

US creates a "Cyber Al-Qaeda" to destroy sovereign countries
Clinton cites 'historic opportunity" to manufacture a new enemy for the future
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43369742...new_york_times

UK Telegraph: How Fed triggered the Arab Spring uprisings [ACTUAL TITLE!!!]
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/e...sy-graphs.html



CIA Staging protests with Twitter and Facebook - U.S. Manual Guided Egypt Unrest
http://www.parapolitical.com/post/4078598359

CamChameleon 06-14-2011 04:17 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13762626

"Turkish police have arrested 32 people believed to be members of hacker collective Anonymous."

"On 22 August, Turkey is planning to turn on a system that demands people sign up for one of four filtering packages designed for different types of users.

The Turkish government claims this system is needed to protect younger web users from net-borne dangers. Critics, including Anonymous, say the filtering system will be used to monitor web activity and suppress dissent."

HighlyIntoxicated 06-14-2011 04:30 PM

anon/lulz sec = us gov't creating problems so they can blame issues on hackers, and then restrict the internet.

JD 06-14-2011 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DiF0r (Post 18214486)
Exactly, there was a young hacker in our country that broke in our bank and found a big vulnerability in the system and even transferred a very small amount of money just to prove that.. He tried to make some money with reporting this issue to the bank but guess what, 1 week later "he committed suicide". RIGHT

god damn lol what country is this?

u-Bob 06-14-2011 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 18215056)
so what is your solution then if it's not by voting?

In one corner you have a man or woman working hard for a politician to be elected, not being paid to do so but because they believe in what they are saying and believe they can make a change and do some good with their local community and more. In the other corner you have an internet cynic who doesn't have a plan, doesn't have a solution, doesn't have a leader to look up to and is only looking out for themselves. Who would you listen to and take more seriously? Who would you follow?

Sure you can say: 'well the second guy doesn't need to look up to anyone!' 'We don't need to follow anyone!' 'he/she is their own person!' Right? There would have been no American revolution if they didn't have leaders to follow, if they didn't have people to believe in, if they all acted as 'individuals' rather than a group.

If you don't like who's running, find someone who should or run yourself. If you can't win, it's not a conspiracy, it's not a government cover up, it's because you didn't give the people what they needed--you know, the ones who vote...

As a lot of people around here already know: I'm a libertarian. Reason (1) teaches us that every human being is master of his own body and master of his own property. This means that every human being is free to do whatever he wants with his own body and property as long as he doesn't cause damage to another human being or his property (2). This also means that all transactions have to be voluntary. Forcing someone to buy the product you are selling is an act of aggression.

What is the state? The state is an organization that has a monopoly on certain services (protection, arbitration etc) within a certain area (meaning: the state uses acts of aggression to wipe out the competition). Furthermore, the state forces people to buy its services.

From an ethical point of view what the state is doing is an act of aggression and unethical.

From an economic and utilitarian point of view, you get the most optimal situation (the highest output of goods and services, the best quality, the least amount of waste) when all transactions are voluntary.

Realistically, we know that as long as there are human beings, there will be acts of aggression. There will always be theft, murder, rape etc. However, these are all things you can defend yourself against. The problem with depending on the security services provided by the state to protect you is that the state has no incentive to do a good job (they get paid anyway... through taxation) and that the state does not allow you to defend your own property or seek to hire protection from a more efficient security provider.

What I do is I ignore the state as much as possible. I pay my taxes because otherwise they send their stormtroopers to kill my dog, but other than that I try to ignore them. I lead my own life. I interact with other people. I make money by providing products and services other people value and are willing to pay for. I try to help my friends, family and neighbors as much as possible. I save for the future, I try to invest wisely. I work hard and am proud of what I've achieved so far in life and don't need some government bureaucrat to tell me how to lead my life. And I sure as hell won't go along with that charade they call elections.



(1) check Hans Hermann Hoppe's argumentation ethics. btw: Spooner, Rothbard etc arrived at the same point using a Natural Law. Thomas of Aquinas arrived at the same point using theology. These are the same so called "God given rights" your founders talked about.
(2) The libertarian non-aggression principle.

garce 06-14-2011 06:18 PM

If they actually had a pair of balls between them, they wouldn't be anonymous. I'd be more impressed if some guy named Dave pulled the same bullshit.

Nothing these idiots have done is going to have a positive influence.

PornoStar69 06-14-2011 06:45 PM

Anonymous = illuminati gov hackers - problem/reaction/solution

V_RocKs 06-14-2011 09:49 PM

I fuck your mom...

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