ive been testing that and my firefox installation doesn't do that. Hrm... investigation time me thinks

Do you honestly have any idea of the difference of Active affiliates versus signed affiliates?

I currently don't run any paysites, I promote affiliate content and also do direct deals with sites. CCBill is very useful as it allows me to get started right away.

I do understand the reasons for the delay, but overall it will still lose the sponsor a very large number of affiliate sales on the long term. Ideally, there must be another way of working. Perhaps they could make a small amount available initially (link codes, banners, a couple of hosted galleries), then a lot more on approval.

If there's a really good site, I'll make a note to check back again if I haven't been approved, but otherwise if I do go back it will just be by chance. There are so many different sponsors out there that if one sponsor has a barrier, then we quickly switch to another.

When I say active affiliate, I'm talking about someone who actively promotes the sponsor. I'm a signed affiliate to hundreds of sites, but if they didn't have what I needed when I needed it I might not get around to going back, as there are just so many to choose from. If they send out a good email, they might get me interested again.

If a sponsor gets to the testing stage and the sales look good, then I promote them again and again, and compare their ratios to my other good sponsors to see who to invest the most time in.

INterested, but your websites load slllllowwww at least here

As for 1. It would appear that you have been in this industry long enough to realize how much fraud programs have to deal with on a DAILY basis... considering that, waiting 48 hours for approval is a small thing to ask. 'It's better to kick someone later for misuse?' pardon? do you have any idea how many webmasters are on a major program? We would have to have a team of people working full time on fraud specifically just to catch half the shit that I weed out when people apply.

2. don't most programs have export tools for such things? We do.

If you can't wait 48 and need to get shit done now? contact me, that's all it takes. If not 48 hours is a short time to wait.

Unbelievable how people don't even try to see things from another perspective...

I agree 110% with you. One of the reasons I personally try and stick to ccbill now-a-days. And I know they pay, and will continue to pay.

1. Fraud protection is not my concern. That's up to the programs to be concerned about it. If the program is so large that it needs a fraud department, again, not my concern. I'm merely stating what is entirely frustrating to deal with. You do realize people who run campaigns, build a lot of sites or do large projects are set to certain schedules they have to maintain? I don't have time to fire off an email to someone who may or may not respond. I also don't have time to sit and wait up to 24 hours to wait for an approval and link to the webmaster tools while I am in the middle of collecting links, content and ad tools for a site I am building in the next 2 hours, then repeat again for another site I will build 2 hours after that. I also don't have time to go check email, collect content and linsk for a site I no longer need because I found a replacement afterwards. Here's the deal. I understand approvals.. I have NO issues with it, but programs NEED to give us access to webmaster areas to start building right away otherwise they are missing out. People don't just build galleries all day and submit anymore. Marketing techniques are vast and the fact that the more you build the better really holds to a strict schedule. Time is key. Time costs money and nerves. I fully respect that programs have rules they have in place for signup processes but I will not use them if by the time I have access to the tools my site is already built.

most programs list in a text view for galleries exportable html that's not href'ed is useless when there's 1000's to copy and paste (as I I just enabled, right-click open in new tab). Again.. time is money. Going through 1000 galleries that way can take an hour vs 20 minutes when href'ed.

You have people in this thread (including me) telling program owners what we want. Program owners will either listen, or not. However if I have to jump through hoops to use a particular program I will move on to the next program. Time is valuable and when I sign up for many sponsors at a time I will easily forget the one that made me wait and once I get an approval email I will be busy doing something else and most likely won't check the webmaster area.

You have confused us with a service... we are a business...

So you want instant approval, instant access to galleries, no paxum or wire payout (I assume check then), and galleries you can preview when doing a dump?

Seems like 80% of programs have this, usually it's just ccbill programs that don't and you are losing 10 to 20% of your sales using ccbill anyways.

I guess my program should work for you. :thumbsup

and affiliates are not? or are we just expendable services? Lets face it, without affiliates you programs would be nothing (aside from the few with internal traffic generation)

As a business you should realize that condescending tones towards affiliates who are frustrated will land you in nowhere'svilles in the long term.

Shit.. forgot about your guys. Thanks lol. I have an account with you guy from awhile back I believe. I'm spending the whole day just organizing niches from every sponsor I have right now and never going hunting again so I'm glad you chirped in then lol

anything I can do to help :thumbsup

where did i say any of this?

You are listing demands like you are a customer. I said you have confused affiliate programs as a service and you are mistaken. We and every program out there are businesses. We all have our rules and regulations that we have to go by in order to be profitable. I understand your frustration, but these rules haven't been chosen to piss off webmasters, they are put in place to protect our businesses.

We try to make things as easy as possible for our affiliates, as we always have since we began, but we aren't going to lose money because a few webmasters can't wait 2 days for fraud checks...

you seem awfully horny to make someone agree with your position. Move on.. your opinion was made

Some may see the thread as a complaint, I see it more as tips for programs as to how to make more money by having more active affiliates. There must be another way of working that would remove this barrier

horny? don't think that is the right word there. Just protecting our stance is all.

Oh, while this back and forth was going on I got completely caught up on all approvals from the last day. So if you need to get in fast nows the time! ;)

take care, and good luck man.

iwantchixx, my replies below or not blasting on you, I'm just pointing out some things. Don't take my comments personally.

If they have solid sites, it's probably worth making a note to check back. :2 cents:

If someone really thought could actually make any real sales with a program, you either wouldn't mind waiting if you had to OR you'd deal with the owner directly. Money is worth a few days wait if you are confident in your traffic and know what kind of results you can give.

That's actually fair. Give a limited amount to get started, then if you don't check out, you don't get paid. Simple enough solution.


It should be to some degree. Because if they are hit with too much of it, guess who runs a risk of not getting paid? Hint... you.


"I will just move on to the next program"

A little hard to have companies give you what you ask for as quickly as you want it when you'll just move on the second you don't get what you want. If you think you can make money with a site then it will be important for you to check back with them, rather than just jump from program to program to program.

We are all here to make money, not sign up with the most amount of programs. I don't mind waiting for a site if I know I can make money with it. Most have good reasons why I may have to wait to be approved. Maybe people would make a lot more money if they focused on sites they can do well with instead of who can give them instant gratification before moving on to the next program.

Having said all that, it wouldn't hurt to have the owners ICQ or skype so you can talk to him directly, be it for approval or for issues that may come up later. In my experience, most of them are more than willing to help out.

HI...It must be your connect.
juicybunny.com 12.3 KB 0.29 seconds 0.02 seconds

We actually work extremely hard to make sure sites load very fast. Maybe your cool sig is slowing you down...;)
Or if you are using old firefox, we were having that trouble too recently.

You speak truth, DWB...
We've had sign-ups lately where person just pilfers or tries to, zipped content and never bothers to send 1 click. Tightening.

Always had all sales tools, galleries, videos etc available for review BEFORE even signing up

Always had instant approval

Always had TOP100 affiliates stats public

I don't mind a few surfers getting samples for free if it eases affiliates life and I deal with fraud afterwards.

Either be an invite-only program, or don't (approve instantly). :2 cents:

Any professional affiliate with the intent to fraud you is going to get approved through your manual process 9.9 times out of 10. It's not like you're getting a sample of their DNA to compare to a "Fraud Bank".

You WILL be losing potential legit affiliates by having a manual approval process; it doesn't matter if it takes minutes, or a few days (or more as I've seen some in the past who take a week to approve you). If the affiliate looking to use you, cannot plug you in right away, he probably turns to someone else.

As for porn surfers signing up and "seeing your millions of dollars worth of promo content" (quoting someone above), that shouldn't concern you; plenty of other ways they can go about seeing your content if that's what they are after.

Post-signup, once/if traffic/sales start coming in, that's where you should be screening for fraud. Activity patterns, billing patterns, CBs/returns (granted takes time to notice that one), sign ups from pre-paid cards (identified by BIN number DB), etc... should all be automated generating flags and alerts for you for deeper manual investigation.

Before first payment is issued, you can also "verify" the account by IM or telephone, etc...

Accounts who sign up and are inactive for X period of time, you can simply shut down. I've heard people say they don't like "bloating their DB", if you don't have a DB that can handle a few hundred thousand rows, active or not, you have bigger problems to worry about :)

Approve instantly, monitor constantly. Any affiliate fraud = bye-bye affiliate. But get them started NOW do NOT make your affiliates wait to get approved.

Having said that, if you run a cross-selling, PPS, card-banging, fuck 'em kinda program then perhaps manually approving affiliates is more necassary.

pretty much everyone of the sponsors who responded to this thread dont have any of the issues being discussed here. DWB, Gleem, Pornguy, PR are some of the best i have dealt with and they have treated me fairly no matter how much money i make with them :thumbsup