I agree with you, we need to cut back on free health care to criminals.

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That's why he got a shellacking last november?

Read the OP, he had slipped discs

What happened last November that was different than any other midterm? You thinking in your head it's some type of sweep, that a few people making it in, means an end all... is pure silly.

Okay? You can have slipped discs and work, it's a problem if they bulge and are slipped. And again, it could have happened while mowing his yard and nothing to do with work.

First of all... your assumption that Republicans didn't have any input in the ACA is false. The final Senate bill included 147 Republican amendments.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-car...publican-ideas

Here is a video of Chuck Grassley defending the individual mandate on Fox New Sunday during the process...

The whole idea that we can open up a health care system and add many tens (or hundreds) of million deadbeats/ freeloaders/ non paying people/ illegals AND have it REDUCE costs --as Obama says --is patently absurd on its face.

Other than it works in other countries... eh? Ratio wise, it's the same, all around so us having more population means nothing.... so either we're a bunch of fucking idiots or you're full of shit. I'm going to have to go with the, you're full of shit choice..

i dont care what people think he is my new hero.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/healthreform/myths-and-facts
Secondly, if millions of more people are actually having their care paid for that reduces cost because it lowers the cost to providers by covering those who wouldn't normally pay... thanks for playing though.

Only in USA.

This story is a PERFECT example of how fucked up our government is, and here's why:

Government policy influences human behavior.

Instead of slashing taxes and getting rid of ALL social programs, thus truly stimulating the economy and invigorating markets and thus creating jobs so this poor guy can get a job and make a living and pay for his own health care needs..

..the government raises taxes, kills the economy, and forces an absurd, wasteful, bloated, and corrupt system which forces people to commit crimes to get free government health care giveaways..

Don't you see how this pathetic story is the PERFECT lesson of what is wrong with the big government/ Democratic method?

A few states, and one I live in, just passed laws getting rid of "over time injuries"
I think it is total BS, but both sides passed it here.
You have to report the injury immediately when it happened, and if you can't, the over time could of been caused by a childhood injury or some shit they say.

Just a FYI... As I live in one of the worse work comp states.

Those cost are wrote off on taxes.
Thanks for playing!

that being said, can you tell the difference between coke and pepsi? I have a great pallet for food and beverages normally but i fail that blind test every single time! :)

Yeah... because third world policies like you suggest really work to help the poor people to get jobs and pay for things... you say it so it must be true... too bad there are so many examples that prove your assertion false all over the world. What really happens is that the middle class is eliminated and the poor live in absolute squalor.

No they aren't... thanks for playing!

I think you're referring to the Affordable Care Act.

He could have contacted Catholic Charities. They will help you get seen by a doctor for free.

saw that yesterday. pretty fucked up that people resort to this type of behavior

I <3 nation-x - easily my favorite poster on this board!

The proof is all around you. Open your eyes.

We have more social programs than ever before. We have more government takeovers, bailouts, and freebies than ever before.

And yet, the Middle Class is hurting and the poor are hurting worse. We have lost millions of jobs and the housing market has collapsed.

If the big government method worked --you would see results --and yet all around us is destruction.

Worse since the depression, but go ahead and keep spinning that
If he worked at Coke and had a bad back after 17 years, he was a moron for not getting WC, But you know better than me, I was only a Coke employee for 9 years and know nothing about how they work?

Not my assumption, the fact no one voted for it from the gop

Yeah... at the hands of massive deregulation, wealth redistribution to corporations and the rich through subsidies and unfair taxation, incentivized outsourcing and neoconservative global conquest.

My sister owns a medical collection company, and trust me the things that go on are earth moving.
Let's jsut say we are both right and wrong, they do get to write off as a business loss people that do not pay. Do they get to write off the entire bill, NO.
Why?
Because, the amount a medical place charges for insurance and to cash paying people, to ACTUAL cost is a BIG difference..

Thanks for Playing!

Once again nation-x bitch slaps the brainwashed buffoons!

http://files.myopera.com/AMGala/albu...tch%20Slap.gif

Maybe he is just a worthless lazy bastard who would rather get a handout than actually work for a living

http://www.gojobs.com/nc-gaston-county-jobs.html

Ok... so even though 147 Republican amendments were made to the bill... you say that the Republicans were prevented from the process due to the fact they voted against the bill?

That is the point. They inflate what they charge paying customers in order to cover their loss. The point of mandating insurance is to address that issue by reducing the number of people who don't pay.

they represent their voters, they didn't want the bill to become law, doesn't that bother you?

Just because the Dems used some of the ideas the GOP came up with, that makes it ok? hey if you're ok with that, then it must be right.

More than 70% of voters support eliminating the Bush Tax Cuts for the rich... Republicans voted against that... doesn't that bother you? Those tax cuts cost more than twice what "ObamaCare" costs... $2.5 Trillion to date.

Actually most americans want the Affordable Care Act and every study other than completely partisan shows how much money it'll save. But that shouldnt stop anyone from arguing against it because facts and reason rarely get in the way of politics.

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No, the Inflate the cost, because they are greedy, and well insurance companies pay, and raise rates.

I must not be clear on what I was saying from my phone, let me try again.

The Medical companies get to write off ACTUAL COST on taxes as business loss.

But yes, Inflated costs are the problem.
People need to pay, Insurance needs to be done away with.
My parents talk about, the Doc came out, or when you wnet it, he sent you a reasonable bill. You payed it right then if you could, or as much as you could ev ery paycheck. No Inflated costs, and people paid for their Bills.
Funny people wont pay a couple K medical bill because they dont have insurance, but they can buy a $2,500 Plasma TV, and $150 a month for Cable TV..

Is there Bigger medical expenses, YEP but there are also TONS of groups that raise money for tragic events, Cancer, and so on.

NO side can fix GREED.

I have heard from Canada people that if you want better than so so coverage you PAY for it. the wait times to get an MRI are crazy. But biggest thing is, how do they pay for all this? HUGE TAXES...
Can't tax most of these freeloaders that have no jobs anyway!

Income tax rates in Canada aren't that much different than the US... lower in many cases.

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/fq/txrts-eng.html

LOL. Bill Clinton was the king of deregulation.

You don't "redistribute" wealth to wealthy people and corporations. That is a contradiction. The question is how to tax them. If you tax them fairly, they create jobs. If you sock it to them, they contract and close businesses.

Actually, it is the lower classes who do not pay their fair share. Many on the lower end of the scale pay no taxes at all, yet they consume the most in government services.

Outsourcing is good, in theory. You outsource the lower skilled lesser paying jobs --and the American workforce upgrades and provides higher skilled and better paying jobs. The problem is that spoiled American workers and arrogant union leaders want special rules and benefits that are not available to the public at large, such as seniority, platinum pensions, guarantees of every type, etc..

"neoconservative global conquest" --"Whatever."

Spin what? It happens, it's natural, it's always happened and it wasn't as bad either.... and Roosevelt still went on to serve two terms.

* shakes head *


Okay? You worked for them in his State, under his States laws which are different than your States, all around?

And how do you know he didn't get it already, maybe his issues fixed, paid out, and he went back to work for years... maybe it was hurt before or after he worked for them.

Maybe he didn't want to put up with the bullshit, paper work, or give a fuck and just said fuck you people I'm tired and took the easy way out?

Republicans aren't allowed to think outside the the box or have a different opinion, it's one way or the the wrong way with them, period!

10 years of super low (to no) taxes on the wealthy and the largest corps - so where are the jobs?

You are kidding, right?

Everything seems to cost more in Canada.. from food to gasoline to services.

A few months ago, I was looking at some real estate in BC, and the agent mentioned an HST tax of 12% on it. Holy simolians! Why would I want to pay for other peoples' health care? The Canadians are smoking some serious 'tax crack.'

It's why I only visit Canada --and don't live there and invest there. If they ever get rid of the socialism up there, I might consider it much more seriously. It's a beautiful country.

That's a red herring.

Who wants to create jobs when you are punished for doing so? I won't hire people. There's no reason to. All you get is taxes, redtape, and more taxes.

And, because of the lousy economy, there is just less demand in general.

agreed...

The greatest percentage of people paying taxes earn between $33k and $150k and they pay over 60% of income taxes. That is a fact that belies your assumption. That is the middle class paying for the majority $1.2 Trillion in subsidies annually. Yes, the wealthy (top 1%) pay roughly 38% of income taxes... and they earn over 40% of the income.

Yeah, and I don't want to win the lottery because I'll have to pay 50% in taxes... :1orglaugh

If there was money to be made, hiring would take place. Don't be ridiculous.

Obama hasn't raised taxes, so I suppose you haven't hired anyone since ? ? ? ?

Stick with the subject, we were talking about the healthcare law, not taxes

Love how when people lose an argument, they resort to changing the subject