That's what I thought, you don't get it.

They are not selling it to consumers.



Yes, confused, bitter, a total noob, and too afraid to let people know who I am, even though I'll never meet them, so I post under a fake nic. You got me.

Fucking corporations. The sooner they give everything away the better. They are totally out of touch with the youth of today. No one should be paid for producing a product. That's just pure greed.

Wow, your nonsensical ramblings are headache inducing. YOU'RE the person brought the topic of consumers paying for pirate copies (VHS) into a discussion of internet piracy. You have no idea what you are even rabbiting on about at this point, do you? You're totally lost. Is English your first language?

The username DWB, an anon twitter account and no personal website =/= a full disclosure of who you are. WTF is a "fake nic"? How is my username "fake"? Fuck.

Shit, I bow out. I came to this forum to make some traffic connections. Found some, but reading these dickheads who think cos someone is suggesting to beat piracy by adapting (rather than bashing your head against the problem) is advocating piracy... well, your dead in the water and the better porn marketers will eat you up and leave you still poor.

And some of you guys are thinking of defering to mainstream? lol You got no chance, sunshine! It's more blackhat than porn.

You still don't get it. :Oh crap



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Nice to meet you.


Right, you just came here today for the first time. :thumbsup

This is what I do:

http://www.dwbramps.com/

I'm a ramp builder.

You guys are funny. I say funny, because as much as you sit there hoping and praying for regulation, you're pretty clueless it seems on what happens when regulation of all of this were to go into effect, here in the good 'ol USA.

I have a feeling you guys are so keen on government intervention and regulation because you are shit out of ideas and luck in trying to combat such a massive problem for content owners. Its understandable if that's the case, and certainly not a bad thing completely, but its not the ONLY solution out there ya know?

Most major piracy operations out on the interwebz are far more advanced than the US gov and all of the MPAA/RIAA folks combined. They are also not based here in the US, so trying to shut them down has proven a hell of a lot tougher than anyone really admits to. Sure, some big file sharing sites get shut down, but they are just replaced by mirrors and copycats by the tens of thousands. For every one operation taken down, it effectively creates many more popping up in its place. This shit, will never stop. If you think it will, you're an idiot.

They are also in the game for very different reasons than what these groups believe. Most of it actually has to do with bragging rights/street cred amongst their peers, control of content (ie. tweeking video filters, encoding, production value etc) and of course access to a movie or song for example before anyone else has it (0-day). There are lots of other reasons too, most of which are not addressed or even realized, but that's fine.

When you refer to these "evil doers" as "pirates" I'll bet you think they are just a bunch of ninja dressed dudes sitting around in some back alley basement hideout plotting on ways to steal your content and distribute it for monies across their vast connected infrastructure of other hideouts across the globe. -- Nope, most "pirates" are just your average joe blow who is likely to be sick of paying crazy high fees for a movie at an overpriced theater or doesn't want to buy a DVD/Bluray movie at some insane price. See, what you guys don't get is that its better to adapt than to fight things, at least in regards to the "piracy of downloadable content" is concerned. And by adapt, I don't mean adapt and sue them or toss them into prison, I mean just make it a lot more affordable. Stop raping them in price. Look, if a movie costs $250M to produce, maybe Hollywood should take a look at cutting costs on the production side versus the distribution side. They have a very firm control over that stuff, and they know it. They are not losing money on this.. perhaps they are losing a chunk of profit, but they are certainly not losing money in terms of costs.

Anyway, none of this stuff will actually go in the direction you are hoping for. Plainly because of one minor detail.

Money. That's all there is to it.

It costs the ISP's more money to monitor and slow things down than it does to acquire new costumers. Why do you think Comcast made that announcement that they would not share customer data? Because they are nice and sticking up for their customers? lol fuck no!! Its because it costs them more money and they don't like to lose money, they like to make it, so they don't want to even be bothered and used it instead as a PR campaign to look good for a change. +rep to them for the spin, they did a great job.

Think about the industries that would be effected? The security industry, online and offline would love it I'm sure, but only in the short term for most of them. File sharing hosts would probably charge more which is bullshit for "becoming legitimized". Production and distribution costs will certainly continue to rise, a lot faster I'm sure. And the best part of all of this, is the body of regulation, in our government would look to the private industry for "advisers and experts", because that's how regulation always works in this country. After a decade or two, you'll start getting a broken down and aged system that will not really do what it was first supposed to be in place for, as they'd be too busy sifting through an overwhelming amount of shit they were never even supposed to regulate or govern over. Coupled with all sorts of pointless gov jobs in the form of directors of this and that and blah blah blah...

See... its stupid and pointless. Just make shit cheaper and stop crying about this and get on with your day. If you can't figure out how to bank from this, then fuck off and go look somewhere else, because no one solution is gonna stop this. Ever. Well, that is, unless we all die on Dec 21 2012.. lol :thumbsup

If the answer were as simple as lowering prices piracy would be all but gone now. In the mainstream world the days of paying $15-$20 for a CD just to get the one song you want are over. Now for less than a buck you buy the song you want. It never wears out and you will have it for the rest of your life. You can even preview the whole album and decide if you want to buy it and if you do it is likely cheaper than CDs used to be.

On the movie side, it is easy to say "lower production costs." But that is not so simple in practice. Big movie stars that draw in big crowds want to be paid for that service. Sure, the studios could partner with them and offer them all profit sharing so they don't have to pay them bigger salaries up front, but most actors don't want that because all they have control over is their performance. If the studio paid them very little with the promise of a big profit share then never released the movie or they released it with little promotion and it tanked the actors wouldn't make much. Most movies lose money at the box office and then hope to break even or make a profit in DVD sales, rental, PPV etc. These big blockbuster movies that bring in hundreds of millions are what allow the studios to make the other smaller, riskier movies.

So sure, they could lower the price of a ticket to go to the theater, but that price is also controlled by the theater owners so they would be forced to take less too. The question is how low would they have to lower the ticket price to?

With Netflix and Redbox now prices to rent movies are at all time lows. I pay $9 a month for Netflix and get 2-3 movies on DVD per month as well as watching 2-3 more movies and/or TV shows on the streaming service. Redbox lets you rent movies for $1 per day. That is a pretty fair price.

The problem is that pirates want it for free and feel entitled to it. If the price of movies and music were cut by 50% there would be the same amount of piracy as there is now. It doesn't matter how cheap it is, they want it free. If you go on a site like torrent freak and read any article about a ruling/judgement that goes against the pirates then read the comments you might be shocked at what you see. The people are proud to pronounce themselves pirates and vow to never pay for anything again. They simply want it for free so no matter how fair the price is, unless it is free, they aren't co-operating. They don't see it as stealing they see it as liberating what they feel is theirs from the hands of greedy companies.

I'm not sure having all these government rules is a great answer, but I know lowering the price is likely not it either.

I wouldn't be surprised if one day the media companies team up with the PC makers and come up with a hardware based solution.

Think about video game consoles, the content is protected by the hardware. Sure you can modify the hardware to pirate games, but it's a huge pain in the ass so it's kept to a minimum. If the media companies all formed up and paid into a large fund, then paid Intel a royalty to add a feature to all new chips that only allowed licensed content to be played, that would work way better than most laws.

It may seem silly, but if all the TV studios, movie studios, and record labels all paid in, it would end up being billions in royalty fees for Intel, Apple, or whoever they chose to pay to add the hardware based feature.

Any hardware/software solution on the user-end would be cracked with a snap of a finger no matter how sophisticated it is.

Not if you have to modify the hardware to do it.

Look at the Xbox. You can take one apart and modify it to run pirated games, but it's enough of a hassle that it keeps piracy to minimum.

The whole point is to manage piracy, not totally stop it. If the protection is in the CPU or GPU, not many people are going to fuck with their $2K computers just to avoid paying 99 cents for a song. That's the point.

The very motivated will always try to pirate content, the key is to make it so it's just not worth the hassle for the average Joe, which is why I used the Xbox example. Games are $60 and it's still not worth it for most people to crack open their game consoles.

Comcast is giving up data. I know first hand. :winkwink: Not sure where you're getting your interwebs facts from. Agreed on the pricing.. gotta come down.

Cowabunga ..I love reading these types of threads and u never know somebody might just come up with something that can put a big dent in piracy. Some of the savy people who can see an opertunity to make money from this pirate problem like removeyourcontent, im sure are making good bank from it

the disconnect option got killed the second the UN defined it as a right violation
no way your going to get that now.

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1025188

Well, the problem is a PC is a lot more versatile than a console that's designed to read a single type of media.

Some consoles use a GD-ROM which is a modified CD-ROM or blu ray to access the game's functionality

XBOX's for example boot from a special partition on games created for it. Put an XBOX 360 game in a PC and it will read it as the disc was spun backwards when manufactured.

They also took it a step further, 360s and PS3s read the angular distance between specific data sectors on the disc. In other words, a duplicated DVD will return different values than a pressed original would.

On a PC it would be very difficult to achieve a level of encoding that's versatile enough and offer any type of real protection.

And, when they go tits-up, it costs jobs, sales tax revenues, income tax revenues, etc:-(.

There are definitely some technical hurdles to overcome. But considering what the media companies are losing from piracy and what they spend fighting piracy, they could afford to put together a technical group and investigate whether or not it would be possible.

I'm not arguing that it won't be easy, it just seems like it might be easier than laws which have issues with borders and loopholes.

I think Apple recently hinted that they could make it so the iPhone wouldn't record concert footage. Not sure if that was a rumor or what but the thought is out there to make hardware level changes to help fight piracy.

I was running porn sites when you were in diapers bro. We have vested interests in seeing piracy come down just as anyone else.

Nethorse is right. It's not piracy that's the problem, it's the availability that's the problem. It's just too easy.

Hey where's Gideon? Did his mom take away his internet?

I bet he gave her a speech about his human rights.

No worries. He will just time shift back to the beginning of this thread.
:2 cents:

BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Yeah, I'm REAL impressed by their little horseshit scripted websites that allow user uploads. How incredibly advanced. :1orglaugh

They are STEALING. It doesn't take a fucking genius to steal stuff. I respect people who can actually CREATE.

Pirates are nothing but bottom feeding scum with no ideas of their own.

I'll have to tell their "real world" counterparts (thieves, pickpockets, embezzlers, etc.) that they are FAR MORE ADVANCED than the U.S. gov

This thread is full of people who aren't in this business and simply giving dumbass theories with no real world experience.

GFY needs an enema.

Robbie,

I would never want to silence the "giddeons" of GFY.

They present their justifications for thieving and I learn how empty their arguments are. They create nothing and steal all.

The world is catching up to them. When the time comes, they will scramble like cockroaches back into the dark, scummy cracks from which they came.

cool u guys do a great job :thumbsup