Sorry for your loss

That really sucks! I am very sorry you, your gf and your kids have to go through that

i feel for the dog man... that's really lame. Happened to my mother in law's Pom about 10 years ago. Somehow it got through the fence and a German Shepard decided to "play" with the new toy it saw running through its back yard.

The dog that killed your GF's dog isn't to blame. Blame the owner, sue the shit out of him/her/them, and move on. There's no sense in punishing a creature that is nothing more that a sum of it's training and instincts.

The animal attacked and killed an invited guests dog who had implicit permission to be there and had every expectation that it was not a hostile environment for her or her animal. There's not much else to say I dont think. As far as I know, no judge is going to care what an animal considers to be it's own territory. Maybe the dog whisperer :)

Really?

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/danishswedishfarmdog.htm

That's just like a Jack Russell Terrier not exactly massive.

http://i.imgur.com/hoyir.jpg

No pics?...

Wait a minute now, the killer dog was a Jack Russell Terrier? :1orglaugh

Not so sure about that. Generally though i think the homeowner is responsible for guests so you may be right , but unless the homeowner gave some assurance his dog was safe it wouldn't have been an expectation.

Common sense says you put a large predator with a small predator and you will have problems.

It would be like putting a small gay man in a biker bar and have him grab someones bum.

it's the parents? I hate to be the one to break this to you but dogs have DOG parents.... yes that right, a species of animal will produce a 'like species' from breeding.... I kid you not...

if your little dog wore a helmet this wouldn't have happened.

The food analogy is largely a joke (and mostly used by big dog owners)

I've owned larger dogs all my life. None of them were agressive in that way towards other dogs, small or otherwise. The only thing I can attribute that fact to is that they were trained extensively (by me), and they were also allowed to be around other dogs at certain times (very supervised times), enough so that they behaved and didn't feel the need to react every time a yappy poodle or something got in their grill.

Sorry, but I stand by what I said earlier. Chalking something like this up to "oh well, dogs will be dogs" is just, well... stupid. And typical of a lot of apathetical dog owners, many of whom think they know what they're doing when it comes to training but really don't.

The big dog in this case chews a small dog in half because of a butt sniff? Please. Butt sniffing is a natural thing dogs do. That dogs reaction shows there's something wrong, in either it's training or lack therof, or in the home environment, or both. Either way the authorities do have the right to go in and take the dog and have it put down for aggression.

If it had chewed up an infant we wouldn't even be debating this.

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It just looks like a bad situation all around. As a dog owner you have to be vigilant when it comes to the safety and well being of your own animal. I never take for granted what someone else says that their dog's nature is. I don't bring my dog over to other peoples homes, and in a social environment, my dog would be on a leash the entire time so I can control what happens.

Unfortunately accidents happen. They are dogs after all, and aren't subject to our way of thinking. You cant punish the offending dog, he might not have liked his ass sniffed, and responded in a way that dogs do. If this had been a dog of the same relative size, this may not have seen the same outcome.

Markul, sorry for your loss, it sucks losing an animal companion.

I see what you're saying, and agree with much of it in fact. There is negligence on both sides here, and if I were the judge in such a case I would in all likelyhood award no damages to the OP.


However, to everyone saying that absolutely a small dog should never be around larger dogs I'll say this: When done properly there's no reason in the world why dogs of varying sizes can't get along.

My nephew and his wife have five dogs, two of which are tiny ones and the other three are quite large, all of varying breeds. They run around their property like a pack, they all get along just fine, and in fact one of the little ones seems to be the damn leader. Why do they get along? Because they were introduced carefully and properly to each other. The pack didn't just materialize, they were added to the home one by one. These dogs don't fight each other, they each seem to treat the other 4 with equal respect regardless of size. And they're not even the best trained dogs either, in fact in my view they could use a TON of training, but they have a good home life and are all treated well.

Now, if someone were to bring a foreign dog, small or large, into their home I'm quite certain my nephew and his wife would make sure that the person had full control of their pet BEFORE entering the premises. As did I during all my dog owner years.

You can only attest to your own dog's training and behavior, you can't know what other unkown dogs will do or how they'll react in certain situations etc.


I doubt the big dog in this case will be put down, but the OP does have a case. As for monetary damages, at most I'd say since there is negligence on both sides you might get a split, of say half the monetary loss. But I wouldn't hold my breath on that.


Next time OP (if there is a next time) I'd say keep any new dog you have on a leash. And when other foreign dogs are nearby maybe pick up and hold your small dog until you're sure about the safety of the situation.

i don't think he chewed the dog in half. probaly bit its head and it was so small it crushed it..

so is fighting for your position in a pack.. It is natural for a dog ESPECIALLY a female in heat to defend itself against basically being raped. They don't naturally do this by waiting until they are raped, they do this by giving clear signals that it is not appropriate by snapping at the dog who is investigating them.





if aliens had come down and created sharks with laser beams on their heads we wouldn't be debating this either , and although it would make a great book , neither of them actually happened :)

:winkwink:

but actually you do bring up a good point. If this had been a baby and he had let his baby crawl around on the floor and stick its finger up the bum of a large pitbull on the floor , would you say the babies parents did nothing wrong , and it is only the dogs owners fault ? Lets say the baby had scratched the dogs anal gland and the dog was injured not the baby, would you say its fair the dogs owner sues the babies parents for damages ? maybe put down the baby ?

Figure of speech.



That's a whole other matter entirely, not sure why you think it needs to be added into this discussion. I doubt the teacup sized dog had rape on it's mind. Butt sniffing isn't common for dogs like fighting for position, it is their customary form of greeting, period. They all do it. Not all dogs however feel the need to fight, or chew on other smaller dogs etc.



Mock all you want. There are millions of documented cases of a child being that exact situation and getting chewed/mauled/killed etc. I know of no cases involving aliens. (unless alienQ had a dog attack him in his past)

:winkwink:

Happens from time to time.

Well in truth, if you actually go back and read closely my full replies, I did point out the negligence on the part of the OP's girlfriend, so no, I'd have to say that no I wouldn't say the babies parents would have done nothing wrong. As I said, there is negligence on both sides here. I may have said it wrong in my earlier posts (but I don't think so), but just so everyone is clear I'll say it again for you: There is negligence on both sides here.

Btw there were in fact ufo (alien?) sightings over Winnipeg reported last week. I am no going to scour the newswires for anything relating to dog attacks involving alien laser sharks. This could take a while...

That sucks, but at the same time you both could've avoid the situation. The attacking dog was much larger and it was his house, thats not really surprising dog behavior

I concur with that. There are very few human animals that I would place above the life of my dog. I am not much into being a humanist.

ruin a lady's life over this?

you're a loser... :2 cents:

you should put your gf down for being stupid.. that makes about as much sense as you wanting the lady to put her dog down over this..

you still don't get it and you never will you thickheaded moron..

you don't know enough about animals to own one.. sell any other pets you own until you educate yourself about dogs and their behavior.. :thumbsup




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It sounds to me like the larger animal was not properly socialized, or was out of sorts that day for whatever reason. The owner encouraged the interaction to get the job of a doggy daycare contract and somehow missed the signals her own dog was giving. I'd say she's very much in the wrong in this case. Her property damaged someone else's property (all loving feelings towards dogs aside.) She was negligent.

And that is Judge Elli's decision.

As for the owner of the dog...that killed the smaller dog...legal liability...different states have different laws...but in...at the least some states...the owner of the dog is legally liable for what ever damage their dog does...no matter the circumstance...period.

Also in...at least some states...pets are legally considered to be property and one can only receive the value of the property upon death and whatever vet bills may be involved. Loss...or pain and suffering...are not a legal consideration...only the actual monetary loss is legally considered.

Natural dog behaviour is another matter ? huh Have you ever had a female dog in heat ? it will not let another dog sniff it's butt, it will snap at anything that tries.. if you happen to be the size of a teacup, a small snap can be deadly..



i doubt you can read minds with dogs you heard about in a news story ..:winkwink: you have no idea if the dog had rape on it's mind

no it isn't at all , dogs who don't want their butts sniffed will let others know by growling or baring fangs, if the other dog continues to try and sniff it's butt it will bite , attack whatever you wanna call it.

anyone who has been around dogs for any period of time has seen this plenty of times, it has nothing to do with training,behaviour,breed,size. It is an instinct..

bullshit.. so if my dog is in my fenced yard , and you drive drunk , crash through my yard run over my dog , he gets up and shits on your back seat, you seriously think i would be liable for the stain on your back seat ?

i think not..

In the ops case the owners of the teacup dog knowingly brought their dog into an unsafe situation. You shouldn't bring a teacup sized dog around large dogs period. My dog's feet are larger than some of those tiny dogs. It could easily kill one simply by laying on it or accidently stepping on it.

You all to frequently use ludicrous analogies...and I prefer not to have intercourse with people that are clown's...but to answer your question...I tend to doubt that you would be liable for the shit stain of a dog that I had criminally injured...but I do think you would be liable if the dog attacked me and caused me to be out medical expenses which of course would be offset by the damages that I would owe for the destruction of your fence and the medical expenses for your injured dog.

In the case of the original poster I do know that...in at least some states...the owner of the dog that killed the smaller dog...would be 100% iiable.

Moral of the Story, it's a fucking dog!! GET OVER IT!

that sucks.. kill the dog

Moral of MY story is that you're a human - basically a more intelligent (I use the term very loosely), larger, and more destructive life form than a cockroach. You DO realize that the planet you live on - and the Sun you live under - doesn't care whether you're a person, a dog, a goat, or the massive colony of ants that are fucking up my front yard.

You DO realize that when there's a natural disaster, "God" doesn't say, "Hmm - there's humans there. Better not unleash that Tsunami. Better not flood that city!"

You are no more important than a dog. Actually, part of being a human being is caring for - and helping - other beings that are less fortunate than us.

BTW - feel free to pop up here and fuck with my "fucking dogs" anytime you want. They're loving, they're loyal, they're honest, they're protective. Four attributes that I doubt you understand.

And when they're done picking your bones clean, I'll give you a proper burial along with the rest of the trash in my big plastic bin.

What a piece of shit you are.

sorry for your loss. small claims court and the big dog should be put down

guilty as charged..
wait wait.. i use ludicrous analogies and you are talking about having sex with clowns..??

you fucking sick clownophobic :disgust:1orglaugh

umm you just said , "the owner of the dog is legally liable for what ever damage their dog does...no matter the circumstance...period."

so which is it ?


not sure if i trust your legal advice, you just stated 2 opposite legal advice above. One saying owner is always liable , one saying he isn't liable

besides i have never seen any law that uses the terminology " bigger dog / smaller dog "

lol fuck you, you are so on ignore tranny bitch :pimp

Thanks, that's the plan :)

The only sensible thing to do would be to kill the dog, it's owner, a couple of hookers, and Julia Roberts

but first cut off julias lips and sew them on to a fleshlight:thumbsup

I love this.

Some self righteous mother fucker telling someone who sees more value in human life over that of an animal, that he's a piece of trash.

:1orglaugh

Pretty much what you wrote!

Let's see here...........................

Not one but TWO dog "owners" who understand fuck all about canine behavior, who introduce dogs under very poor conditions and one dog gets killed, probably quite unintentionally by the other dog, so now it's all about who to fucking sue!

Why is it not about which HUMANS should get fucking BRAINS?