Originally Posted by garce (Post 18257172)

Why do you feel the need to increase the font size for every post? Next time, make sure to hit "Caps Lock" before you type.

You chat like a 12 year old Japanese anime fanboy, but you look like an over the hill 50 year old white dude.

Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 18257257)

when i see too many people taking pictures at a show..it just makes me worry that i have to go to another site and make sure my face isnt pictured beside some porn sign

not everyone wants to be larry flynt
i think they should restrict the number of people allowed to be photographing at the conventions...to a few very known people

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1 (Post 18257411)

A new standard is starting in Europe
http://business.avn.com/company-news...me-439722.html

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18257414)

I do not agree with these statements at all. In truth, there is not just a Bro Club, but several that would be considered "clicks". It's usually fueled for marketing advantages or lack of, networking, client or affiliate loyalty, or conversation starters with potential contacts.

I myself have been subjected to this like many others for whatever reason from people I don't know, never done business with, or even met. The vast majority of time it's from people trying to get some form of recognition from whomever to gain a business or personal edge due to their lack of ability.

As mentioned, I also favor JFK because he was the originator and rarely do you see him take a negative side to anything. What did catch my interest was how NALEM is being ripped apart form a poor business decision to support ICM and the vicious personal attacks that followed from the usual suspects.

People in here never learn because I've seen this happen to many and especially to guy named Donny Long that is still going on to this day. There were aff reps and company owners jumping on that guy because he was odd, new, and rubbed the Bro's the wrong way due to offering a competitive business against their friends interests. Read familiar?

So when you preach- negative attitude and/or resentfulness fueled by failure. is because of your type of click mentality causes it. Sadly, what most fail to understand is their are the few like DL who comeback and do terrible things like hack the records of all the adult talent and release their medical records online.

I'm willing to bet Alex/Nalem has made a large investment in his business and also willing to bet he's done and probably does not even know it. If he was smart he would of shut his mouth and walked away and build a better strategy to come back and fight another day. The only issue I had with Alex, I straight out asked him if he supported ICM or was he just making money. - I couldn't careless who's business model he copies because it's been done by more then a few in here, but he refused to take a stand from an obvious decision. So I have zero sympathy for the guy.

WTS, there are some of us who were also subjected to the same shit who did take a stand, shut their mouth, built a better strategy, got wealthy from it, and now looking for a little payback. I couldn't give a shit about .XXX/ICM or any of these issues because it has zero effect on my life or business. BUT what is does show me is a vulnerability with the usual suspects for a good reason.

I personalty recognize this as opportunity to settle some old scores and most need to thank god ICM can not afford a guy like me because if they could, you'd all be lining up at their door buying .xxx domains or deal with the other option of a 2 year Google domain sandbox. You'd only need to do a few and the rest would move like sheep.

The point is he made a bad decision, but by ignoring him he'll come to his own realization and move on our improve his business model. Now I bet he's gonna want a little payback. :2 cents:

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 18257445)

So here's the TRUTH about JFK...

I met him at one of my very first shows almost 10 years ago. He and his wife have always been good to me good to everyone who works with me despite never buying ads on his site or mags. Tracy, Kedra, Xev and others know he's the tits. He works hard at every show but never tries to sell anything, instead letting the quality of his work speak for him.

He clearly loves what he does which makes others appreciate his work even more. I love to take pictures and for a while was shooting alot of stuff at shows too. What did I do with my photos? I gave them ALL over to him, each time. Not sold, gave. Why? Because he's JFK. Because he's the man. Because I want him to have content. Because I wanted to.

If you're going to start shooting and competing against JFK Nalem then that's perfectly fine and more power to you but Trashing JFK won't win you any new customers.

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 18257445)

So here's the TRUTH about JFK...

I met him at one of my very first shows almost 10 years ago. He and his wife have always been good to me good to everyone who works with me despite never buying ads on his site or mags. Tracy, Kedra, Xev and others know he's the tits. He works hard at every show but never tries to sell anything, instead letting the quality of his work speak for him.

He clearly loves what he does which makes others appreciate his work even more. I love to take pictures and for a while was shooting alot of stuff at shows too. What did I do with my photos? I gave them ALL over to him, each time. Not sold, gave. Why? Because he's JFK. Because he's the man. Because I want him to have content. Because I wanted to.

If you're going to start shooting and competing against JFK Nalem then that's perfectly fine and more power to you but Trashing JFK won't win you any new customers.

Originally Posted by MediaGuy (Post 18257198)

This so nails it - fucking hilarious.



And yeah i'm breaking my own rule but it seems nobody read what I wrote and this thread keeps floating back to the fucking top... dammit - just stop posting.

READ:

Originally Posted by garce (Post 18257172)

Why do you feel the need to increase the font size for every post?

Originally Posted by NALEM (Post 18255893)

I am talking shit here and on the other 30 boards that your fan base decides to post in.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18257486)

Hey, resentment is a two way street and that's a fact.

No, I won't



I wouldn't sell you, I'd provide you an option and .xxx being the better. In short, you'd sell yourself kicking and screaming.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18257486)

This is we're we both can agree. I fail to understand what business model they were going for. Honestly, they must have a bigger picture because it's obvious this was not going to work. Or maybe he just might be against .xxx and funded by others in adult to sit on it and make sure it doesn't go anywhere?- Now that would be a brilliant plan.

If they wanted to hire me I'd make it clear, it would be in their best interest that I was the last resort. It would be simple because you people are weak and can't find a unity in anything as Epassporte proved. All it would take is to find and edge on one of you and the rest would fall like dominoes.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18257779)

I thought the guy from ICM waxed everyone on the panel with a simple and clear pitch. Buy an .XXX domain and you could get extra traffic or simply don't.

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18257457)

I am sorry, but perhaps people just not feel that your opinion carried that much weight that they collectively said, "Okay." :upsidedow

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18258041)

So many "ifs."

Originally Posted by iamtam (Post 18258096)

enjoy the shit you sit in.

Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 18257257)

i think they should restrict the number of people allowed to be photographing at the conventions...to a few very known people

Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 18257257)

when i see too many people taking pictures at a show..it just makes me worry that i have to go to another site and make sure my face isnt pictured beside some porn sign

not everyone wants to be larry flynt
i think they should restrict the number of people allowed to be photographing at the conventions...to a few very known people

Originally Posted by pornopete (Post 18258425)

Kind of dumb to pick a fight with the most liked guy in the industry.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18258633)

Great points and I wish I had your gift for writing. There are lot's of assumptions, but I guarantee when ICM go's live and you see a sig whore in here flying a Porn.xxx there will be a mad rush to buy them. Why? because the main point was never addressed by the audience/apposing attending. Matter of fact, it proved how out of touch AVN and Ynot was because no legit company is going to buy a well establish company brand on a .XXX. There will be a mad rush to buy Gay.xxx, Pornstar.xxx, Poker.xxx, Tube.xxx generic domains you can't CR/TM.

And this is what get's me with all the tools in here who say fuck XXX etc. Why? because most are following hearsay or they themselves own generic porn/adult.com domains and feel a threat. It has nothing to do with censorship because the legal council of the ICM was head of ACLU and it would defeat the purpose if they were censored because they are a for profit business.

Besides, there are lot's of countries that block porn and I am certain the ICM main focus is to provide an alternative to these countries. Meaning, there primary motive is targeting a new marketed share in countries like the Germany, Australia, etc. and who wouldn't want to tap into that market share?

The only unity you'll get are people/Bro's who got in on porn early and intrenched themselves with great adult.coms who now recognize new opportunities from the vast who did not. Besides, do you honestly think program owners are going to deny traffic/sales from .XXX? - Of course not because they're all fucking whores too.

So if you got into Adult in the last 5 years and wanted to get your share of the pie, now is your chance. Because the louder the industry cries the more it proves there is a opportunity for the new guard to profit.

What get's me is many on this board are crying because porn market is dying due to nothing new hitting the industry. You wanted something new, well you got it and if it challenges your business concept - too fucking bad, welcome to the business world.

Originally Posted by pornopete (Post 18258425)

Kind of dumb to pick a fight with the most liked guy in the industry.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18258633)

Matter of fact, it proved how out of touch AVN and Ynot was because no legit company is going to buy a well establish company brand on a .XXX.

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 18257445)

So here's the TRUTH about JFK...

I met him at one of my very first shows almost 10 years ago. He and his wife have always been good to me good to everyone who works with me despite never buying ads on his site or mags. Tracy, Kedra, Xev and others know he's the tits. He works hard at every show but never tries to sell anything, instead letting the quality of his work speak for him.

He clearly loves what he does which makes others appreciate his work even more. I love to take pictures and for a while was shooting alot of stuff at shows too. What did I do with my photos? I gave them ALL over to him, each time. Not sold, gave. Why? Because he's JFK. Because he's the man. Because I want him to have content. Because I wanted to.

If you're going to start shooting and competing against JFK Nalem then that's perfectly fine and more power to you but Trashing JFK won't win you any new customers.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18259075)

Absolutely, but this was the main time burning issue of AVN's/YNOTS weak scare tactic. It truly showed how out of touch they were because it happens in everyday internet life. Bottom feeders nail Twitter, Blogger, Facebook, DOTComs, etc daily. All you do is call/email with your doc's and get the account or buy/sue for the domain. It would be the same for ICM accept you forgo the suit process by simply paying a small fee with your doc's.

AVN's/YNOTS argument was so weak and the attendees with their poser comments didn't even represent the real backbone of the Adult internet. The real backbone are the affiliates who bust their ass daily digging for the revenue streams who get ignored by AVN's/YNOTS because we don't fall into their subscription base.

Now, AVN/YNOT are trying to call on everyone for support as their lackeys try to rally against ICM because they feel a threat to their subscribers revenue stream. Where was AVN/YNOT support/reporting on program owners who were fucking affiliates on cross-sales, shitty decline redirects, or even epassporte? Nowhere. Matter of fact, they were doing press releases for them to generate more business.

Now that there's a true viable threat for program owners, AVN/YNOT proved how inexperienced they were dealing with a professional closer. There are millions at stake with people who are well financed trying to make a run on the adult Internet and that panel looked like bumbling idiot especially Tom and the lawyer.

Not only were they outclassed and got their asses handed to them they were not even smart enough to know a panel is used only for a setup. How hard is to understand if ICM felt any real threat, they wouldn't of came? This alone should tell you everything. Not only was AVN/YNOT ill-prepared, ICM then used their platform to pitch services as the rest of the panel attention whored and missed a great blow.

Conner had chance to get the guy on the ropes and missed it when he was pitching the .XXX search engine concept. As ICM preached about how there will be a new unfiltered SE bettering the industry, there should of been a question if ICM was going to allow non-xxx in this all adult search engine? If he would of said yes, why buy and .XXX and if he said no, he would of hung himself. Or at least provide a new angle of attack to exploit his true intentions, grabbing market share.

Meaning, AVN/YNOT and their lackys were played and used to get the word out, free because you don't judge press/exposure for success, you weigh it. The next step is critical because they don't need AVN/YNOT anymore or program owners with their circus clowns they employe to get real traffic generators because that job is finished.

The next step is contacting the true backbone of the internet industry. It won't be long before ICM figures out who the real traffic generating sources are and approach them with a boatload of cash. They might already have their own now with some pretty sweet .XXX domains reserved. As mentioned you only need one to tip and the rest will follow because in the end, the paying surfer couldn't careless if it's a DOT-COM or a DOT-XXX.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18259075)

The next step for ICM is contacting the true backbone of the internet industry. It won't be long before ICM figures out who the real traffic generating sources are and approach them with a boatload of cash. They might already have their own now with some pretty sweet .XXX domains reserved. As mentioned you only need one to tip the first and the rest will follow because in the end, the paying surfer couldn't careless if it's a DOT-COM or a DOT-XXX.

Originally Posted by NALEM (Post 18255672)

OMG people did you know there is more than one photographer that covers the adult webmaster gathers? Did you also know there is more than one hosting, billing, webdesign, an affiliate program out there? We have some serious problems. Competition in the marketplace exists.

In the real world which some of you have lost touch with, there are a multitude of options for products and services. In the USA for example: Kinkos, Staples, Office Depot and UPS Store for printing needs. If your hungry for a hamburger there is McDonalds, Burger King, Carls Jr, Rallys, Fat Burger, In and Out, and thousands of other places.

The reality is that most of you do not attend the shows, hence never having the opportunity to meet either myself, or the lead photographer Buster. Btw, everyone loves a little drama, I am the first one to check in at places like the Zoo, to give myself a minutes worth of entertainment and the same news I can find on CNN.

Does the drama bother me personally? Yes and No. The fire which is fueled by posts submitted by friends of JFK, silly trolls, and those that dont know us, only brings awareness of NALEM which results in traffic. Once the site visitor is there, they decide for themselves if they like the user platform or not.

What really saddens me, is that many of you waste your energy on bitching and complaining, and spend way too much time on the boards, instead of focusing on your own business, and what you need to do to make some $. Yes $ can still be made.

Unlike the fools that post private email and chat communications on the boards, or like to air their personal or business problems that they have with others in this industry, I have resisted the urge to divulge the issues that should not exist between JFK and myself.

Below you will find an edited post that JFK decided to publish on another board known as SC. The unedited version can be at post #167 on the SC board at http://www._____________.com/showthr...629#post310629



"A few years ago you were politely told at Cybernet Expo to back off the threats, and that any photos taken at webmaster gatherings, were for the radio station, and that as such we were not intending to compete for your audience or advertisers.

I told you then if you continue the threats, I would open a site to complete in the marketplace. You continued to bully people Julius, and I have kept my promise. I was patient with you for 4+ years.

The only three things we have in common is that we both speak HU, both attend webmaster gatherings, and we both provide photo coverage using a pro camera.

The comparison stops there. NALEM and Fubarwebmasters are worlds apart in the user experience and advertising channels it offers its clients.

People closest to you have already told me about your horrible demeanor. I had assumed it was only towards us. You really are a sorry POS. For 5 years I reached out to shake your hands and say hello everytime we crossed paths. Putting aside your attitude with us, I scored you the box lunch for the golf tournament at TPF, when I saw your golf cart didnt have one. I dont recall you saying thank you, but then again that is not your style.

I can afford to risk NALEM to the winds of change. Can you say that about your site. You will cause your own self destruction, though I wholeheartedly dont wish that upon you, because I know there is room for several photographers, and you must support your family.

Thank you for your explosive moment here Julius. I think I will have my worker repost it to all the boards, just like we do with the event coverage. I will take heat for it, and your friends will help fuel the fire. Time will tell how things play out.

All the best,

Alex

Originally Posted by NALEM (Post 18259201)

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1 (Post 18257411)

A new standard is starting in Europe
http://business.avn.com/company-news...me-439722.html

Originally Posted by Shey (Post 18259336)

WoW, crazy thread, someone needs to hire a PR firm.

JFK, Baddog and Mike B you all have my respect. The rest needs to earn the respect. This is porn we peddle, not exactly the crowd that would feel warm and cozy about some guy just stepping in and starting to take pics.

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18258041)

So many "ifs."

Originally Posted by JFK (Post 18257251)

It's hard :waaaaahh:waaaaahh Thanks for taking pity:helpme


Thanks Mick and Keith :pimp

Originally Posted by GonZo (Post 18259437)

JFK is this dude the creepy guy that had his camera in everyones face and we almost threw over the fucking rail at Opera?

Originally Posted by u-Bob (Post 18259388)

Calculating risks, possible returns etc.... has no place in business?


Are we seeing a new Baddog? what changed since you protested against the .xxx tld in San Fransisco?

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18259604)

I have not changed shit.

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18259604)

You are just not smart enough to follow along. :2 cents:

Originally Posted by u-Bob (Post 18259618)

Great to hear that you are still against the .xxx tld. In that case the rumors must be false.



You could have simply answered the question. No need for comments like that.

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18259682)

When someone keeps asking the same stupid questions and making even dumber insinuations they get what they get.

Originally Posted by NALEM (Post 18259201)

Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 18259211)

Bumping your own thread = Fail.

JFK is here to stay. Once this project fails, you'll move on to the next thing.