So your thought is that this will be like Hustler and Acacia. ICM gives Manwin the domains for free and we all fall in line and pay up and accept .XXX

Sorry, I do not recall what happened between Acacia and Hustler so I can not make that comparison. I do think it is entirely within the realm of possibility that ICM will give away some .XXX domains for development to give the impression of acceptance. I do not see them giving away domains that will never be developed.

I wouldn't.

I'm not really convinced about .xxx and the benefits it could bring to us.

Personally I think it can bring more harm then benefits because this way its easier to filter and block .xxx traffic.

I'm wondering which companies currently support ICM and how ICM is funded.

It's crazy if you have around 100+ domains and later you have to register for each of them .xxx ones.

You know how when matter and anti-matter collide, it (theoretically, anyway) causes a reaction that destroys an equal measure of matter and anti-matter?

Do you think the same thing would happen if someone registered AcaciaTechnologies.xxx?

I dunno... just putting it out there. ;-)

I think the same.....ICM in time will give away a limited number of domains to the likes of Manwin ( it cant sell them anyway due to trademark issues) then Manwin and others stick big popular website properties on..this leaves the onlooker thinking Manwin and others support and accept .XXX

We are not asking for the domains for free. This is in the letter in case they for some reason can not block it, we want them to block them by registering them. We wil not use the domains. They are a useless hassle.

<devil's advocate>

You are not asking for free domains, just free registration? Would that not set a dangerous precedent for them? If they do it for Manwin, wouldn't they have to do it for everyone? What are the odds of that happening?
</devil's advocate>

I agree that .XXX domains are a useless hassle, simply blocking them and letting them rot would be the way to go.

Baddog, the point is making sure nobody can misuse my trademarks.. If that causes an issue for icm, what the fuck do I care? Did they ask me before inventing .xxx?

All new TLDs go through these same issues during their sunrise periods. You apply for the names you're interested in to protect your marks, just like anyone else.

I honestly hope you continue to reply in this thread. I think what you are doing is very interesting and would definitely weigh your opinion heavily

here is a question: you are protecting your trademarked properties with this demand, are you ready to take it to court if necessary?

follow up: If so could you foresee a class action suit?

this is an sTLD though and I think that may be an important distinction since it purports to represent the sponsoring community of which Manwin is a substantial member

right, you should just bend over and let any company ass fuck you and extort money out of you in order to protect your trademarked domains. what a load of shit.

moot point though as the "sunrise" has happened and the sun is already setting on .XXX

.Co, .biz and so on is not a Tld targeted to my industry

:thumbsup:thumbsup

Right, For YOUR business you need a whole new extension, like maybe .theft, or .leach :1orglaugh

Exactly the point several people have been making over the past couple of weeks. The ICM has put a system in place to prevent trademarked terms from being registered as .xxx. The problem is that they are charging $200 or $300 per domain to do this. So by their own actions the ICM has admitted that:
- they are aware of the fact that their new tld might be used to infringe on people's trademarks.
- they have the technical means to prevent this abuse from happening.
- they will assist people in violating your tm's unless you pay them $200 or $300.


time to write some letters :)

Stick to your word on this and people will be impressed. :2 cents:

?The misuse of our intellectual property will not be tolerated,? Thylmann said.

Ironic. :)

Too bad Manwin doesn't have the same respect for the intellectual property of others that it expects others to show for theirs. :disgust

i will take money from icm, and defend them, and neither i or my employer will acknowledge it, because if i do i will ostracized,

signed

poser faggot.

How do you get positive spin for Manwin out of this? This article doesn't change my views on Manwin one bit, their actions simply further expose the .XXX travesty.

I am sure most see it this way.

How you think it could send more people running to register .XXX domains defies logic.

And your trademarks on generic ".XXX" related terms may not have the same value in the new sTLD.

What other registry offers this option?
Agreed

You have been talking a lot of shit over the last few days. Why don't you jump out from behind your fake nick and start naming names?

thats not an argument anymore than arguing that microsoft.org has "less value" than microsoft.com. infringement is infringement...end of story. its not about what could be argued to be the value of a domain at all. you should know that Manwin is entitled to statutory damages - 100k per instance (maximum), i believe. the value of the domain is irrelevant.

further, registrars agree all the time to block TM domains from being registered.

You're confused.

Microsoft isn't a generic term. Porn, sex, xxx, tube, etc.. are.

why do defensive? wasn't talking about baddog.

don't feel so guilty.

Defensive? Guilty? Not in the least. I have just noticed you talking like you know something, so why be so secretive? Spill it.

the only "shit" i have been taking is that some people are not being upfront about their connections to icm/xxx.

odd that you would come to the conclusion i was talking about you.

If ICM caves in this would open the floodgates but I can't see their legal liability in this. A likely outcome might be some bulk pricing for defensive registrations of exclusions ...

You're confused. We are talking about trademarks right? Trademarks are trademarks. They are taking action to protect their marks. There is no argument to be made that a trademark domain has lessor value because its a different TLD. Either it can be successfully argued that it infringes on their mark, or it can't. Value of the domain has nothing to do with it... only the value of the trademark matters.

You're even more confused about trademarks than you are about domain names. TM's aren't exclusive and all-inclusive. Do your homework. I suggest looking over the WIPO cases where many claims of infringement by TM holders are on the losing side, because the mark alone wasn't evidence of infringement. Generic porn terms may not carry the same weight in the .XXX sTLD. Consider the guy with a TM for 'XXX' for example. Like I said, generics are a little different.

Oh, and your mom is confused too. :)

Odd that you think I think you are talking about me. I had a feeling you were talking shit just like that u-bob character. If you [or him] knew anything I doubt you would hold back.

That makes sense. :2 cents:

Are you involved with ICM in any way?

Nope . . .

What is it that you don't get about my english? I thought I was pretty good at it. Guess not. Phrases like "either it can be successfully argued or it can't" and so on seemed to be clear to me as I typed them.

I was addressing your wrong notion of the "value" of an infringing domain as being relevant in a trademark infringement lawsuit. It's not relevant at all. The value of the mark itself is relevant and either the domain is found to be infringing or its not.

Furthermore, a civil suit for trademark infringement has NOTHING to do with the WIPO.

I wasn't saying anything at all about RARE cases of generics. Last i checked, Manwin doesn't own porn.com, sex.com, xxx.com etc. Not even sure why you think I am talking about that when I clearly am not and continue to say i'm not... I am talking about Manwin simply protecting their marks.

I am involved with telling ICM to eat a bowl of dicks.

This coming from a guy who steals other webmasters content and profits from it, what a joke.