Originally Posted by ladida (Post 18266985)

Lol. Was just curious, cause if you look like that you look like you know ur workout :) I can't really take people serious that can't bring their theory to reality.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 18266999)

Show me these people who have managed to violate the laws of thermodynamics and we can go after the Nobel Prize together.

Otherwise, a calorie is a unit of energy. Your body burns energy. Gasoline is energy for your car engine. If your car requires 10 gallons a week to drive to work and you put only 7 gallons in the tank, you don't end up with extra gas in the tank at the end of the week. That's just not possible.

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 18268597)

Eat 2000 calories of twinkies daily for 2 months while doing your regular workouts then do the same with proper food. Let me know how the results come out for ya...

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 18268597)

if you have to take hormones to make yourself become what you want, maybe you need a different kind of doctor to help something else first...

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 18267623)

i want to hire a trainer to come live with me for two months and teach me how to cook and eat proper for a healthy weight loss.

thats the hardest part ;/

Originally Posted by Choopa Phil (Post 18268664)

its not always about cals in vs cals out...its also about timing as well. ive been on the same diet for about 3 months now, same calories...upped my morning cals, lowered my nightly...dropped some BF put on some more mass. you always have to trick your body, if youre not changing on your current diet or routine something has got to change!

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 18268713)

Again, as i've said many many times now. i'm not saying its the final answer. I'm saying that is where it all begins. Ones metabolism will speed up, slow down etc. Of course you are correct that you have to continue to trick your body as you continue to lose weight and it will get harder to lose fat as your body fat % drops and your body fights harder to resist losing fat... we're not talking about an athlete trying to get from 15% bodyfat to 8%. That's very different than an obese lady who wants wants to believe her body somehow violates the laws of physics as an excuse.

That aside, I am saying this to address the idea of "i have this lady who is trying to lose weight and just can't"... and "she eats less calories than she burns but gains fat" which is absurd and impossible... and it certainly does her no favors when failure is being blamed on the tooth fairy and unicorns, rather than simple truths of anatomy and physiology and she is left with no means to get on track and achieve her goals.

Being in the fitness industry for many years, there is nothing more disturbing than seeing people in distress, who desperately want to lose weight and that not only lack any understanding of how their body works and what they need to do,... but who are then continually having their heads filled full of horrible information and harmful messages that will set them back even further or drive them to getting surgery as a solution.

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 18268597)

So Einstein was a quack to you? How about the doctors that do the research that Phil has acquired all this info from? Do they have to be in top shape for you to listen to them, or 'take them seriously'? Research is research, it's universal.. it's ignorant to judge things by their cover like this...

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 18267610)

again, "No weight loss at all" is not the same as the claim of eating less calories than one burns and GAINING fat. (water.. maybe, but not fat)

how does a person increase body fat by eating less calories than they burn?

you absolutely can't explain that and you will never find a single study that explains that. of course you can claim all day long that these alleged "10's of 1000's of documented cases" exist, but you will never produce a single one because they don't in fact exist.

i think you really aren't getting that you can't burn 2000 calories a day, eat 2000 calories a day and gain body fat. its absolutely not possible. hypothyroidism, hormones levels etc (my last injections of testosterone/hgh were this morning btw) have nothing to do with a simple physics problem and the fundamental laws of thermodynamics. you body can't produce energy stores from nothing... that only comes from food. your body can't store excess energy without either the presence of excess energy (i.e. eating more calories than you burn) or without requiring less energy to function (starvation mode)

a slow metabolism or hypothyroidism doesn't cause you to magically produce body fat from thin air. I do appreciate you throwing out some big words with the side note that you aren't going to discuss them to support your claims or even demonstrate any knowledge on the subject

"rigorous exercise" is subjective concept and unique to each individual, not a universal concept that explains anything at all.

Fat loss, as i've already stated repeatedly requires diligent attention to diet and constant tweaking to exercise/diet as your weight drops. Either you are burning fat or your body is using less energy as it slows down to conserve fat stores as it goes into starvation mode. There is no magic 3rd answer that explains the production of fat stores from thin air as you are claiming is possible.

Originally Posted by Choopa Phil (Post 18268918)

Making sure your hormones are in balance I.E. (insulin/blood glucose, TSH, testosterone/estrogen, etc) will be much more influential for weight loss than simple calories in vs calories out manipulation. youre partner may be burning off their fat stores, holding onto water, etc. i do agree with both arguements. Cals in vs cals out are important but not as important as making sure all your hormones are balance.

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 18270048)

Are there any testosterone products that actually boost T levels? Like Ageless Male, or Animal test.

Originally Posted by tical (Post 18270057)

Some of the 'non steroidal' products work to raise T (by increasing LH output) but this will also cause a spike in estrogen as well as SHBG.

The excess SHBG will bind to the testosterone and make it relatively useless (i.e., unable to enter and activate the cell receptor).