I agree about the rest but JFK is Canadian and couldn't have been a US President.

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:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh laughing at all of you that once again miss the point..

the defense contractors made a fortune during the cold war and it was fear mongering that got the public behind the massive spending..

we spent, russia spent...

russia couldnt sustain the spending and a large percentage of their people suffered as a result..

ever heard of the russain bread lines..

now 30 years later, we are bankrupt...

and instead of the defense contractors getting rich at the expense of the people, its the banks..

and here we are, you guys fighting about a puppet president that was just as responsible for the state the US is in today as both Bush's and one Obama...

you guys will never learn that its the large industries that are fucking you over and using politicians to do their dirty word through legislation...

quit pointing fingers and figure out how to do something to start a movement that grows large enough to completely dismantle and then rebuild the system that all of us seem to be so unhappy with...






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I never said I was supporting debt, and tiny bit faster I have already addressed with the new technology that came out right when he was taking office, try to keep up.

Have you ever seen Hunt for Red October? The Typhoon Class submarine was real!

Your trying to prove your point with conjecture

I didn't miss that, that's why Obama is still expanding our wars in the middle east I suspect

of course.. the same reason bush took us into iraq..

the people werent behind the first gulf war and things would have turned ugly if there would have been mass US casualties..

after 9/11 everyone got behind the war and now we have a huge military base in the middle east that will be used to continue or conquest to control every resource we can get our hands on...

the US will be engaged in military conflict from this point on...

there will never be peace again...







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My point is simple.... none of that shit you're talking about makes a difference as they were already bankrupt.

But to address your point, sweet, new technology is cool, but that does not mean we needed a super arms build up costing us our entire Country. They would have built up either way, they would have went bankrupt either way, even if they didn't build up, they were already fucked.

Which is the actual point, the actual result, the true facts to what happened - ie: America being bankrupt. If you support any part of what happened with the cold war through the 80's then you directly support our Country going bankrupt, because THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT HAPPENED, as a result of all the policies/buildup, etc related to Reagan.

We all know know they're a bunch of puppets, but the reality is, THIS system is in place, so we can only discuss the manipulations of everything based on this system.

Talking about some movement that isn't going to happen unless someone way the hell up in the power chain, very quietly makes it happen, is a total waste of time.

Preaching to others to do something is rather hypocritical when you fail to do something yourself. Being so, lets talk about the issues of today, and IF it changes in the future, we can discuss those details at that time.

I would like to know just one good thing republicans have done for this country in the past 20 years....just one.

You are wrong, how did they afford the Typhoon Class submarine that was launched after Reagan took office?

Which begs to answer the question with everyone getting pissed at Bush for getting into two wars, how can anyone be behind Obama when we are in I don't know how many more?

History is wrong then.. in your eyes only of course.

Who said we could afford it?

Unlike Reagan and Bush.... The GDP and spending are almost at the same level, while it's way the hell up, it's not skyrocketing. While it's not something to throw a party about, it's damn sure something to stand up and take notice over.

People got behind Clinton for that, and all he did was use fed debt to pay off public debt, not really lowering anything and spending more. If history is repeating itself, then Obama will be loved, it did after all take Clinton 2 terms to pull that off, and Obama has done it in less than 1.

But honestly - I don't expect you to recognize that.

Again, didn't say anything about "we" I said they, keep in the conversation

Again, never brought this shit up, you did, And I could give a shit what that asshole Obama has for a future, just as long as it's as an ex president in 2013.

You keep bringing up how he did it, well he did and it worked, cold war is over, what ever happened afterwards, it still worked.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=8bVblNA3drM

There were pockets of yellow ribbon fools even for the first gulf war......fooled me once, etc...

like i have said before, i voted for obama because i really thought he might get people excited about change and people might actually get more involved in how their country is run..

of course, he was just more of the same and i have now become completely disgusted with the american political system and how both sides conduct business purely on the basis of doing what the large corporations want them to do. when in our history did becoming a congressman mean that you would become a millionaire? public service should mean just that, serving the public...

i really hope we have an economic meltdown. i know what it would mean and that people would suffer greatly, but that is what it will take for people to finally stand up and start creating change..







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thats because we needed a victory after we were disgraced in vietnam...

but, a lot of americans did not want bush to continue with a ground offensive after we decimated their air and communications....




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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... you totally don't get it.

How do WE afford it today if WE are already bankrupt? WE CAN'T!!!!!!!!!!!!



Actually, you did... I responded to your response to marketsmart, which was "Which begs to answer the question with everyone getting pissed at Bush for getting into two wars, how can anyone be behind Obama when we are in I don't know how many more?"

You asked why people are pissed at Bush more than Obama over the wars, the answer is in what I wrote.... and I really didn't think I needed to post the duh details, like Bush lying to us to start a war, hiding the costs of the war, and almost 4 trillion in bailouts.

This situation requires serious cognitive thought on the subject, focusing in one or a few aspects at time is what you keep doing, a single question while ignoring or not knowing the obvious is what you're doing, which is why you clearly do not understand what happened or what is going on today, in full details.

That's not a bash, it takes all types to make the world go around.

I never liked him, he was the classic politician, promising everything with no real plan.

In your opinion who do you think can beat Obama, and what exactly is THEIR plan?

Just it, I never said anything about it

So you don't know either? Ok

Hehehe, exactly eh? Could you ignore the facts anymore, openly? Wow.




So you truly didn't see the answers? Wow... see my reply directly above.

So you're content with way it's going?

I love it when the only defense for Obama is McCain would have been worse, please look up the meaning of conjecture !!

It's not about the plan, it's about the execution, Obama is a bad leader. PERIOD

Or maybe you have no concern over the 9.2 unemplyment rate?

Something you do all the time, the facts as started, Reagan spent a lot of money, the USSR tried to keep up, Reagan got the price of oil to go down, that cut the income of the USSR, they are NO MORE
You just keep coming up with why is was bad, yet never acknowledge it worked



You're just answering yourself, I neve asked those questions

I did not vote for Obama, but I'll tell what I like about him in relation to the others, it's also what I hate, but I have to live with.

It's simple..... he is a clear corporatist, and he doesn't hide it for a second. And it's very easy to understand and see what he is doing and will do next, his ties are defined, clear, and repeating like clockwork.

Bush, was a corporatist as well, however he gave so little fucking care to anything, he just did wtf ever he and his people wanted with zero regard, at all, to anyone or the country, and the list is so long of what he did to fuck us and make them richer, it's not possible to list.

This is why Romney is the best Republican, he's about as transparent as a corporatist can get, he is the Republican Obama.

This is also why the other Republicans are pure shit, they are like Bush and simply do wtf ever they want for pure self interest of the elite and use pure stupidity to mask the truth of what is going on, exactly like Bush.

All of them are basically the same, they hold all the power, which is why someone like Ron Paul stands no chance, even if we all voted for him.

Do you understand the question you posed here "Or maybe you have no concern over the 9.2 unemplyment rate" is conjecture?

Well, not really.. conjecture can't be a question and you both asked questions, however your question could be taken as conjecture based on incomplete information, much less than BFT3K could have been, actually his isn't conjecture at all.

Your question should be: Does the 3% gain in unemployment under Obama concern you? Now it's not conjecture.

Actually, I said he made it happen faster, that is acknowledgement to what he did.... however the facts remain, it would have ended either way - something you completely ignore when they were already screwed.





umm....

Yeah.... ok.

Sorry Vendzilla I always thought you supported the wars. As for a vet that bla bla bla that's not a good thing that you've done stupid things, don't know why you're boasting about them.

Why would anyone want to shoot a bunch of desert dwelling civilians where the top gun was invented decades ago?

As for stupid things, I did what was asked of me, if you have a problem with that, go fuck yourself!

This was my original question...

In your opinion who do you think can beat Obama, and what exactly is THEIR plan?

This is your non-answer....

No answer at all - just redirection and drivel, as usual.

The Reagan era was great for punk bands ...

Ok, I'll explain it for you.
The lack of a viable replacement within the GOP has concern for me because it's turned into a negative press attack based on meaningless drivel.
Whoever comes to the forefront of the GOP nomination will get my vote because he's not Obama, which is the only way that asshole got in office.

Never has there been a president that had such a bad record on unemployment since the great depression and for country to do better, thats the number one thing he should have been working on.

There are no excuses

Your reply makes me ill.

So him stopping the fastest unemployment increase in history as he came into office counts for nothing? That's harsh.... you're really busting his balls for 3%?

How about him cutting taxes, giving tax credits for hiring and really a small business, forcing banks to start loaning to more small business, giving funds for those loans for small business, small business registrations ares up through local chambers, States have actually reported parts of his stimulus as a success for jobs and saving them - it was not a total failure by any means, stopping credit fraud which did hit small business, big corps have more money than ever in history and it's not like he can make them hire, stocks have rebounded nicely, he's trying to make a fixed real estate tax so we can better project the future, he's extended tax breaks on equip purchases......... btw, healthcare bill allows for projected insurance costs - something a corp doesn't have now.

You know, that's the short list, shit that actually nothing compared to what he's actually done - if you would actually read up on it.. I don't think you have any clue what Obama has done, at any level, at any point, in any factor - damn sure not related to business.

Read up - stop being a sheep, just stop... ugg.

There is some major ownage being handed out in this thread. Vendzilla you needed to shut your piehole on the first page. However, please continue as I am enjoying this while I sit here enjoying my beer on this beautiful day lol!!!

So ... basically you are AGAINST the wars ... after ... voting for the wars ....??? right.. like a flip-flop :

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=8120634&postcount=5


nice to see your are no way brighter today :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

... and bad for progressive rock bands.

:1orglaugh ain't that the truth.
actually that genesis tune/video was the only one i liked :1orglaugh

btw i posted this a while back but this station is fantastic for 70's, early 80's punk/alt rock - http://www.punkfm.co.uk/ if you still listen to that stuff.