Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 18267925)

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18272350)

Your reply makes me ill.

So him stopping the fastest unemployment increase in history as he came into office counts for nothing? That's harsh.... you're really busting his balls for 3%?

How about him cutting taxes, giving tax credits for hiring and really a small business, forcing banks to start loaning to more small business, giving funds for those loans for small business, small business registrations ares up through local chambers, States have actually reported parts of his stimulus as a success for jobs and saving them - it was not a total failure by any means, stopping credit fraud which did hit small business, big corps have more money than ever in history and it's not like he can make them hire, stocks have rebounded nicely, he's trying to make a fixed real estate tax so we can better project the future, he's extended tax breaks on equip purchases......... btw, healthcare bill allows for projected insurance costs - something a corp doesn't have now.

You know, that's the short list, shit that actually nothing compared to what he's actually done - if you would actually read up on it.. I don't think you have any clue what Obama has done, at any level, at any point, in any factor - damn sure not related to business.

Read up - stop being a sheep, just stop... ugg.

Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 18272371)

There is some major ownage being handed out in this thread. Vendzilla you needed to shut your piehole on the first page. However, please continue as I am enjoying this while I sit here enjoying my beer on this beautiful day lol!!!

Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 18272619)

So ... basically you are AGAINST the wars ... after ... voting for the wars ....??? right.. like a flip-flop :



https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=8120634&postcount=5


nice to see your are no way brighter today :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 18272809)

Oh, I forgot the aircraft carrier.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18273002)

Yet the unemployment is still 9.2 %? So he's doing all this and it's not working?

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 18272809)

Ronald Reagan was a complete tool --that's why airports and schools are named after him, and why other countries have statues of him. Oh, I forgot the aircraft carrier.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._Ronald_Reagan

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 18273219)

What's really funny here is that no one knows when the Taliban came into power. They surely didn't exist when Regan was in office.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18270870)

They are the war lords, the mujahadeen, the anti-western radical islamics that were born at or after the soviet afghan war and afghan civil war. The hate for us (or the west), besides our beliefs, is the fact that we funded, trained, and helped create this mess, on all sides of the conflict.

That picture, is the parents of the children (now adults) we fight today.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18273228)

Taliban is nothing more than a word we made up to define a large group of people, like us saying Southerners or Yankees. They have always been in power, Reagan is talking to them in that picture.

Originally Posted by Gouge (Post 18273265)

Actually the Taliban was given the name by The Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam political movement from Pakistan, basically a Assembly of Islamic Clergy from the school. The western world had nothing to do with the name...nice try but you fail.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18273191)

That would be proof of it working... As you can see it's not still unstable and skyrocketing up. Your expecting results no president has ever produced with roughly the same economic standings, in the same period of time. Read that again so you fully understand it.

He has done almost the same thing as Reagan, has created almost the same pattern, but Obama is actually doing it faster, it took Reagan both terms to really turn it around. And he did it with total shit min wage jobs, where tech-edu jobs is on the up with Obama.

As I said.... You don't know what Obama has really done.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18273290)

:1orglaugh Morons make me laugh... The word you're looking for is: Tehrik-e-Taliban - You know, the student movement in Pakistan, ie: Pakistanians.

Son, the language is made up of groups of words to create new words and meanings... Taliban is two words combined together, in our use, it's a single word with a single meaning - we made the word mean "Islamist militia group" for the groups of Afghanistan war lords we're fighting - it's our word.

"Since becoming a loanword in English, Taliban, besides a plural noun referring to the group, has also been used as a singular noun referring to an individual."

I can read the wiki too, I just understand what I'm reading, jack ass.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18273944)

Under Reagan the unemployment rate peaked then when down, under Barry, it peaked and stayed there, kinda a big difference

But then you think that the cold war was coming to an end before Reagan took office, the warsaw pact didn't happen till 91.

Oh and I love that you go on and on on how Obama stopped the it from getting worse, something that can't be proved, remember he said without the stimulus the unemployment rate would go as high as 8%, when the last time it was that good?

Originally Posted by Gouge (Post 18274000)

Whaa whaa whaa...you failed again.

So sad, but once again not surprised at your lack of knowledge.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18274014)

Umm... That would mean Obama has hit his peak and is on his way down, and AGAIN, if you actually looked at the numbers you would see Reagan took a bit as well.

As I said, they are almost the same - IF - you would actually go look.

I don't think anything, historians are the ones that think this, I simply repeated what they said. You thinking one man ended it or even started the end, proves this point over and over and over again.


To continue on with the slaughter here.... Obama never said the rate wouldn't go above or below 8% (proof) or anything related to what you said. You, are taking a talking point that is complete bullshit and repeating it as fact, because you've never looked it up.

What you're referring to is a "projection" in a report, not words... it comes from this - which also says, many reports say it will go as high as 11% - and it also says this isn't an easy thing to predict thus expect errors.

You can start here to learn more about the stimulus... that did work, that many economics show that worked that also say not parts worked, exactly what Obama said as well.


Again... you have no idea wtf Obama has done, or the results of what he has done, or truly... any factor outside of a talking point, educate yourself - stop being a sheep.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18274100)

The rate did peak and went down right before he was reelected, look at a graph
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/hor...20Approval.jpg

the projection is what Barry used to get the stimulus, I wanted the stmulus to be honest, it just didn't work because of bad leadership, it was suppose to get people back to work, it didn't, you can throw any graphs or economic forcasts all you want, but it was to address the unemployment rate which is still at 9.2%. For the economy to get better, people need to get back to work, be taxed, then the government will have enough money to work with again.

Yeah it did a lot of things, just didn't do anything for the people out of work.

Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 18274028)

Reagan would be a democrat if he was just coming onto the scene in 2011. He's way way way left of even the moderate right (is there such a thing?)these days.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18274119)

Ummmm.... that's exactly what I've been saying, and that's pretty much what Obama's numbers are doing - other than it was already skyrocketing up when Obama came in - unlike Regan.

It did work -- plenty of economists back that. Bad leadership happened at the state level - good leadership is Obama yelling at the States for being stupid and adjusting it - that's what real leaders do. The entire bill was not suppose to get people back to work, only parts of it - and over time to ensure it was done correctly - hellooooo.... Then, much of it went to help States directly, not to create jobs but to save them, and without f'in question it did that.... and very well.

Technically, it did help people out of work, greatly. What it didn't do is drop the unemployment rate another 3%.... yet. Given enough time, equal to say Reagan - maybe it will.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18274152)

The states were given the money without being told what they were to do with it according to you, that's bad leadership. The leadership being the Obamanation

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18274152)

I think you need some help with graphs.

I'm done here, you can't accept that the unemployment rate has been above 9% for way too long, that it's not moving, when it hit that high for Reagan, it started going down, learn to read a graph, I learned in grade school

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18274168)

Just like you can't accept that Reagan's numbers went up far longer that Obama's, that it was worse under Reagan, and it appears you can't accept that Obama's numbers ARE down, that they ARE slowly coming down... that they only need to come down 3% more at that.

I don't need read a graph to see you're a hypocrite.... I can just read your replies.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18274663)

I'll let you know when that plateau starts to go down under Obama, BTW

3% is about 4.5 million jobs, good luck with that!

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18274663)

I'll let you know when that plateau starts to go down under Obama, BTW

3% is about 4.5 million jobs, good luck with that!

Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 18274700)

you think those jobs are ever coming back?

you're crazy if you do...

we will not see rates go down much lower than what they are today..

companies are making money, workers are more productive, offshore labor is reliable..

why hire... :2 cents:




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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18274709)

Based on the graph the number has already peaked and we aren't at a plateau at all, but rather in a decline.

Before Obama came into office, we lost 4.5 million jobs, within his first year of him stopping the drop another roughly 4.5 million jobs were lost, for almost 9 million lost jobs. More than TWICE what Reagan had to deal with. Obama has FULLY countered his loss so far, meaning he has 100% RECOVERED EVERY job lost under his watch - and then added some.

Obama, has ALREADY beat Reagan AND FDR's numbers growth numbers. By shit tons! He's done a BETTER job than Reagan at recovering jobs.

So the other 4.5 million is ALL under Bush's watch, and NOW Obama is replacing those as well.

So yeah, good luck Obama, you've already corrected the Jobs under your watch, MORE than Reagan did - and now you're unfucking the other Presidents losses.

And you still... hate on him. It's sad and pathetic, and fucking so unAmerican it's not even funny.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18274725)

Not with the current leadership

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18274725)

Not with the current leadership



You said 3%, now you're saying he already got the 3%, where did you study math?

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18274743)

Something in your brain is very twisted, way fucked up, like bizarre.

Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 18274735)

and that just shows that you cant get over the my side vs your side mentality that is killing this country.. :2 cents:
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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18274743)

Hahahaha... 3% is to get it back to where it was, the low point. Like you would EVER let Obama just repair what happened under his watch, oh god now, you expect a 1000x more with him than any President has ever produced in our History.

How about you go look at the actual math, I wrote them above, you can look them up. You can't even admit the numbers have declined when you can visually see it, it's a plateau with you, hahahahaha...

Something in your brain is very twisted, way fucked up, like bizarre.

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 18275029)

this is what actually kills the US right now - constant bickering over total bullshit instead of pulling your asses together and make things work - like at some point it has made you the greatest country on earth. from an outside point of view it's almost tragic to watch :2 cents:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18274963)

Yeah, they have got within 3 million jobs from when he took office, LOL. And that only cost the taxpayers how much?

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18275050)

Totally agree, both sides are so polarized they can't see how fucked up things are.

To the point where some people will argue for an administration that can't get the unemployment under 9%
It isn't about what they have done, it's where they have failed.
9.2% after 2 1/2 years is a fail and no amount of excuses are going to change how I feel about this.