Quit injecting LOGIC into this discussion. I find it ironic that people that want the government to stop spending money it doesn't have are now mad that the government will have to stop sending out SS checks because it won't have the money to do so. Isn't that what they want? For the government to stop spending once it runs out of money?

I also find it ironic that most teabaggers get SS and medicare( so they don't want that cut ) don't want to raise taxes on the rich, don't want to cut military spending ( it's anti-troops ) and yet somehow expects the budget to be balanced. Maybe some math genius can expalin how that will work.

the US is like the black guy that lives in govt subsidized housing yet drives a brand new $50,000 cadillac..

you dont raise the debt ceiling, you cut back on your expenses...

the US is a fucking joke..

how can you tell people they need to be responsible with their debt, when the country cant control its on spending...






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just dissolve the government already and let corporations finally complete their dominance of every aspect of our lives and psyche.

The thing is if you stop spending TODAY then nothing gets paid for. So our soldiers don't get checks. SS recipents don't get checks. Doctors don't get their medicare payments so then they'll stop seeing medicare patients. Government employees don't get paid. etc etc In real life even if your in debt you still have to fucking eat or you die so no you're not going to stop spending in real life either.

Use math moron. Do you want everything to go unpaid for for the next 6 months? Do you want everything to just stop for 6 months? yeah that'll help things. Also all you math geniuses ever actually look at a budget. Please share me how you cut it. BE SPECIFIC.

This cheese platter looks very nice...

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NO!

YOU STOP SPENDING FOR WARS!

The last full-time war-based economy was NAZI GERMANY!

How'd THAT work out?

H.OBAMA DID NOT SAY THAT HE WOULD CUT WAR SPENDING!

HE SAID HE WOULD FUCK SOCIAL SECURITY RECIPIENTS!

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?

You're such a moron... In that interview he was asked directly about whether SS cheques would go out and he was answering that question. Really.. What the fuck is wrong with you?

You write "cheques", so therefore you are NOT from the USA!

Why do you not SHUT THE FUCK UP!

The Chosen One is NOT YOUR PRESIDENT!

The only reason that your country exists as a semi-independent nation is that the US FUCKING A borders it to the South.

Your fucking navy even uses SURPLUS US warships!

Sally Rand, your cruise ship is awaiting.

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Agreed... but it's not like he promised to stop Afghan out right, that was a continued mission from day one with him, but he did say we would pull out, which he has put a timeline for. And Iraq wise, he did do what we said, aid would follow being that it has oil, has a currency going on the market, etc.

"We" aren't at war with Libya, it's a U.N. / Nato Mission.

He notified congress, and congress pre-approved U.N. missions as long as they fall under the U.N. Charter, which Libya does.



Maybe that will help end your confusion.

Everyone says stop spending on the military yada yada yada.... so... what jobs will all those people get? Stop buying so many bullets and planes??? What jobs will the laid off military contractors get? Stop spending on this.. stop spending on that... cut the budget... well to cut the budget means cutting jobs.. Any company that "trims" their costs or restructures to deal with mile high debt, ends up cutting jobs... and there are no jobs out there for those people... So one way or the other, the government will end up paying people anyway whether it's welfare or whatever.

As far as I'm concerned, the problem has become so massive over decades of abuse that it's too fucking complicated and painful for the politicians to be able to do anything about. Not if they want to keep getting elected cause the masses are too stupid to grasp what it will take to fix everything. It will take a financial collapse to force the issue.

There is one big difference between the government and the common person.. The common person that does what they do ends up declaring bankruptcy... The government can't. They don't have the luxury of walking away like people and companies can.

I did not suggest taht military spending be stopped.

I FUCKING STATED OUTRIGHT THAT THE WARS SHOULD BE STOPPED!

Ah calm down there Maude, you might burst something.

Pardon me but FUCK THE UNITED NATIONS FOR THE AMERICA HATING ASSOCIATION OF THIRD WORLD SHITHOLES THAT IT IS!

Not raising the debt ceiling may mean we 're in default, but it means we failed to make payments on principle or interest on the debt. Which is roughly 20 billion or so monthly, which we take in roughly 200 billion monthly in revenue. Which means technically we wouldn't go into default because we make money.

Which means... services like S.S., medicare, etc, etc, etc... will all be fine. It does mean the Gov will have to stop spending money, it does mean some people may not be paid in a timely manor because a service was cut related to it.... but it doesn't mean we go bankrupt, that the repo man comes, that china takes over, or any other stupid crap.

Them not signing this doesn't mean the money flow stops...

uh huh.. except what happens in your country affects everyone else... What happens down there has an impact on my revenue, my cost of goods etc. etc. etc.

Besides.. if you're going to rant and rave, make moronic posts on a public board, I'm free to comment on your idiocy and point out what a moron you are... I seem to know more about you countries situation and the facts of things than you actually do.

Pardon you then.... when a country tries to change the currency to gold when they deal in oil, you're going to get fucked to ensure we don't get fucked with.

We've used this power before, we will use it in the future... and no amount of capital letters will change that fact - truly, if you don't like it, get out, otherwise you're part of the slaughter and should enjoy its benefits.

So stop the wars but keep spending the same amount of money??? Are you capable of logical rational thought?

I bet most of you LOVE your smart phones and portal devices ability to last forever. Oh that.... lithium battery, it can last for days now and recharges so damn fast, it kills old battery technology like no other, or does it?

The lithium in new phones and devices is remarkable, and it comes from the Afghan mines, which we discovered through this war.

War is making your lives better, you benefit and profit from it right now, you benefit in ways you could never dream of, be careful what you wish to end, your business may go with it.

Sure you are but remember, your pathetic colony is 100% dependant on what the USA does, so you might want to take a look at your thinking.

And...................you have not effectively challenged the facts I have posted in the slightest.

The USA should stop the wars and stop them now.

Really? Do you know how much of your oil you get from us?

Who is sitting in the White House?

Why is that Sitter involving us in THREE WARS at the EXPENSE of the American people?

The person "sitting" in the white house makes no difference to the topic at hand.

I'm not aware of three wars that we are in. I corrected your misunderstanding of this above, if you're can't accept the facts then it is pointless to discuss the topic with you.

To expand on it though, we are in one war, the war on terror.

You are not at war in Libya... Did you see any declaration of war made by your country? I certainly didn't. In fact, your country has not formally declared war since WW2.

As far as Obama goes, he did not involve the US in Iraq or Afghanistan. Bush did.. He DID involve the US in Libya though.

Just stating the facts, something you're incapable of doing.

Wars:

(1) Iraq

(2) Afghanistan.

(3) Libya

Last I heard, they were shooting at Americans in all of those places.

Bring the troops home and bring them home now.

Obama is now the President of The United States and could and should stop all this shit NOW!

If you have no notion of current events, we have nothing to discuss.

The Chosen One is either the Commander In Chief or he is not.

Military contractors controlling him maybe?

Iraq and Afghan is the war on terror, one war. Even so, Iraq isn't a war zone anymore, Libya isn't a US war at all - its a conflict, leaving Afghan, our real only War zone at this time.

SallyRand obviously knows as much as he has been able to read then cut and paste from various disparate sources.

Word on the street is that there are less than 300 million of you in the USA and Billions of people in the other countries you like to disparage so much with your racist flapping.

You see your simplistic arguments fail to take into account that worldwide Market Forces dictate the breadth and scope of what the US Congress can do economically. The USA like every other country on the planet has to work within certain parameters to be able to manage the economy.

The US is in a bind at the moment, it has the choice of raising the debt ceiling or default. Obviously default is not really an option for a larger developed economy like the USA because unlike Greece, the USA controls a larger debt to GDP ratio than Greece is allowed.

The machinations of the US congress, the brinkmanship of parties in the US political system, almost always leads to eventual compromise, this time will be no different. The US will not default, a bipartisan deal will be struck and the US debt ceiling will be raised.

Yes, many Countries shoot Americans... but out of those three you listed, not all are shooting at American troops. So you would be 1/3 wrong depending on how you twist it.

Agreed, bring them home...

Current events does not equal war. And if you can't understand how our Gov works, such as why Libya is a conflict and not a war, then that is just sad and a reflection of what is truly wrong with our Country.

Being that you like to edit posts: He's doing what the commander in chief has been doing for decades. More like corporations, Obama is a clear corporatist. Much like the last 20 presidents or so, minus 3.

Bush is no longer the Pres.

H.Obama is.

Americans are getting shot at in Libya.

Does that mean that the Libya thing is some sort of CIVIL ACTION?

Bring the troops; all of the troops, home now.

Blow up the equipment and bring them home.

I was just reading that if we default we will have enough money to pay about 60% of the debts. So someone somewhere isn't going to get paid. How they will determine who or what that would be could get very interesting.

We have to pay the interest on the debts, not the debts itself. We make 10x the amount needed to make those payments.

However, I'm sure they will find ways to screw many Americans over.

The USA is not involved in three wars. It is not at war with Libya, it is not at war with the State or Governement of Afghanistan or the State of Iraq or Government of Iraq.

Right now the role of the US, Australia and UK in Afghanistan is more of a peace keeping role, the allies have already completed the task of establishing relatively coherent Government in these two countries and are now undertaking operations to ensure the long term viability of these states and their respective infant democracies.

Which one of the three countries I mentioned do not have people shooting at Americans?

You trin' to tell me that they do not try to shoot back at American bombers?

People shoot at each other in "conflicts".

People shoot at each other in "wars".

The dead do not know the diferrence and neither do the bankers who finacne both.

Gimmee a fuckin' break.

End the wars, bring the troops home now and let's resolve our issues at home.

Bush, and thus the US people regardless of whether you like it or not, committed the US to the "wars" and to "finishing" them.. Obama was left with those commitments and to follow thru on on them.

It's an "intervention".

So throw away the money that has been spent on that equipment. Then re-spend it the next time you guys put yourself into some conflict. Then "lay off" those troops so they can collect welfare? Your solutions are brilliant.

The main worry they were talking about is that if we can't pay the bond holders that will destroy our credit rating, send interest rates up and it cold cause a domino effect that could spread all over the world.

You're retarded.

The US is not at war with Libya and is taking a minor role in the Libyan action at best. European forces are conducting most of the operations supporting the people of Libya in quashing the Gaddafi regime.

The US is not at war with Afghanistan or Iraq. It's providing a peace keeping role in supporting the new fledgling constitutions of both those countries.

The US will not pull out of Afghanistan or Iraq entirely for a very long time, get used to that idea girlfriend.

Constitutionally, and upheld by the courts, the US must pay it's debt obligations.. The US will not default on anything... However, it could mean that services etc. aren't paid for so that they can pay those obligations.

Check out what happened in 95/96 when the same sort of thing basically happened.