Originally Posted by SallyRand (Post 18287105)

Which one of the three countries I mentioned do not have people shooting at Americans?

Originally Posted by SallyRand (Post 18287105)

You trin' to tell me that they do not try to shoot back at American bombers?

Originally Posted by SallyRand (Post 18287105)

People shoot at each other in "conflicts".

People shoot at each other in "wars".

Originally Posted by SallyRand (Post 18287105)

The dead do not know the diferrence and neither do the bankers who finacne both.

Gimmee a fuckin' break.

End the wars, bring the troops home now and let's resolve our issues at home.

Originally Posted by kane (Post 18287111)

The main worry they were talking about is that if we can't pay the bond holders that will destroy our credit rating, send interest rates up and it cold cause a domino effect that could spread all over the world.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18287122)

The foreigners on this board will never understand the true value of currency is the military that backs it.

Originally Posted by SallyRand (Post 18287105)

Which one of the three countries I mentioned do not have people shooting at Americans?

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18287122)

Well if you want some facts Tempests here's a few.

Your opinion means fuck-all because you're not American and can't vote. So you just sound like another snooty Canadian getting involved our politics. It means about as much as a waterboy trying to give game advice to the players on the field. In short, STFU and pick up your bottles and get your ass to the sideline.

Second, never forget you're in an American porn forum and the bulk of your bills are paid by Americans because we are the majority share of the porn market. If not, you wouldn't be here.

Third, The reason why most Americans know little about Canadian politics is we couldn't give a shit because if all Canadians vanished tomorrow, the fast majority of Americans lives would not change one little bit.

Finally, I don't agree with SR and you all just fail to understand the true American politics. Republicans know they're not going to win the next election and just trying to give Obama a hard time because he's been skating for the last 2 years to insure a reelection. That's it.

The republicans have always been sore losers and put the "Party" a head of the people each and every time. Besides, if the debt ceiling is not raised markets will collapse because the lack of of investor confidence. So if we collapse, so do all of you and the only difference is we have the largest and most advanced military in the world. The foreigners on this board will never understand the true value of currency is the military that backs it.

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 18287131)

Every economic empire in history has had a powerful military to back it up.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18287123)

14th Amendment... they'll figure out something and sign it, or Obama gets his way set in stone and no way to reverse it.

Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 18287055)

Everyone says stop spending on the military yada yada yada.... so... what jobs will all those people get? Stop buying so many bullets and planes??? What jobs will the laid off military contractors get? Stop spending on this.. stop spending on that... cut the budget... well to cut the budget means cutting jobs.. Any company that "trims" their costs or restructures to deal with mile high debt, ends up cutting jobs... and there are no jobs out there for those people... So one way or the other, the government will end up paying people anyway whether it's welfare or whatever.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18287077)

I bet most of you LOVE your smart phones and portal devices ability to last forever. Oh that.... lithium battery, it can last for days now and recharges so damn fast, it kills old battery technology like no other, or does it?

The lithium in new phones and devices is remarkable, and it comes from the Afghan mines, which we discovered through this war.

War is making your lives better, you benefit and profit from it right now, you benefit in ways you could never dream of, be careful what you wish to end, your business may go with it.

Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 18287016)

This cheese platter looks very nice...

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/117/2...13c2e0b593.jpg

Originally Posted by woj (Post 18287143)

How about spend that $$ on more productive projects at home? For example, instead of lets say buying a few tanks or military aircraft, spend that $$ to replace all the old public buses in Chicago? It would cost exactly the same in both $$ terms, and labor requirements... so there would be no net employment loss... :2 cents:

Originally Posted by woj (Post 18287143)

How about spend that $$ on more productive projects at home? For example, instead of lets say buying a few tanks or military aircraft, spend that $$ to replace all the old public buses in Chicago? It would cost exactly the same in both $$ terms, and labor requirements... so there would be no net employment loss... :2 cents:

Originally Posted by SallyRand (Post 18286827)

"Spin"?

Bet me motherfucker!

In The Chosen One's own words!:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...89-503544.html

"President Obama on Tuesday said he cannot guarantee that retirees will receive their Social Security checks August 3 if Democrats and Republicans in Washington do not reach an agreement on reducing the deficit in the coming weeks.

"I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3rd if we haven't resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it," Mr. Obama said in an interview with CBS Evening News anchor Scott Pelley, according to excerpts released by CBS News."

He can fund THREE wars plus the War On The American People, formerly known as "The War On Drugs" but THREATENS SOCIAL SECURITY?

People have been PAYING into Social Security for years so that things like this would NOT happen!

Impeach Obama now, bring the troops home, stop the wars, re-elect no one and start over.

http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/y...can/bobomi.jpg

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18287084)

To expand on it though, we are in one war, the war on terror.

Originally Posted by kane (Post 18286890)

In theory you are correct. But there is a large group of people in the baby boomer generation who were never offered any kind of 401K or retirement through their job. Sure, they could have gone out and gotten their own IRA, but the reality is that Capitalism is a pyramid. The further down it you go the less those jobs pay and those people don't really have the means to set aside their own IRA.

The average wage in America is $16 per hour. At that wage you make around $30K per year pre tax. After all the taxes you will likely see around $23K per year. The average home price in the US is $180K.

So if the average wage earner buys the average home that will take up half of their take home pay. Add in a car (nothing fancy, just a car) food, utilities etc and the average wage earner is lucky to make ends meet.

Say that average person took 3% of their income and set it aside every year for their own retirement. Assuming they did this at age 20 and did it for 40 years at 2% interest (that is more than most savings/money market accounts offer) they would end up with about $45K in the bank. . . not much of a retirement. Say they were able to set aside 10% and invested it to get a 6% return annually and they never lost (meaning recessions like the one we have now never happen) that would give them about $440K. That is a whole hell of a lot better, but it would require that a lot of things went right for that person and that they were able to set aside 10% of their income.

I'm not making excuses for people, I'm just pointing out that there are a lot of people for whom this is reality and fixing that reality is a little more challenging than just saying so.

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 18287242)

SallyRand:

If the checks don't go out, it's the GOP's fault, NOT Obama's.

Originally Posted by SallyRand (Post 18287504)

Bullshit.

There is plenty of money to send out the PEOPLE'S OWN FUCKING MONEY!

Obama has stooped to the lowest level of any American president ever and should either resign in shame or be impeached in disgrace.

Are you aware, Mr, Smarty-Pants Asshole that Social Security is NOT a part of the federal budget but is funded separately by its own trust fund?

Yeah.

Mr. "The Buck Stops Here" is fucking those depending on the monies they paid into Social Security over many years!

How is he doing it?

Here is how the dirty bastard is leveraging the aging, the diabled, children depending on Social Security, retirees and in short, the entire American public!:

http://www.ssa.gov/history/BudgetTreatment.html

"Special Note About SSA's Administrative Budget:

Although the transactions of the Social Security program itself are officially "off-budget," as explained above, the administrative budget for the agency running the program (the Social Security Administration) is not. SSA's annual administrative budget is subject to the standard budget and appropriations process. Thus each year the agency must present a separate budget request for its administrative costs (called the Limitation on Administrative Expenditures, or LAE line-item) and this request is subject to all the standard review procedures of the Office of Management and Budget and the budget and appropriations committees of the Congress."

The Chosen One is telling the public that "We have your Social Security money but unless I get MY fucking way, I'm not going to be able to fund the people and systems which SEND you your money, so get your representatives to get into lock-step with me or suffer the consequences!"

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18287523)

Happen to have a source for that quote? I'm guessing not.....

Anyway, that's not leveraging and it would be the Republicans and Democrats fault.

You blaming Obama at this point, screams that you have no clue what is going on. Actually, you sound like an old nut case and your rants scream mental problems.

Originally Posted by SallyRand (Post 18287550)

By manipulating the disbursement of Social Security funds for political gain, Barack Hussein Obama is threatening a portion of the USA population with the spectre of starvation and is in effect declaring war on that portion of the population.

The use of starvation as a weapon of war is considered to be a Crime Against Humanity and is an indictable offense under international law.

http://www.icrc.org/customary-ihl/en...t=sta rvation

"Report of the Commission on Responsibility:

Based on several documents supplying evidence of outrages committed during the First World War, the 1919 Report of the Commission on Responsibility lists violations of the laws and customs of war which should be subject to criminal prosecution, including “deliberate starvation of civilians”.

"United States of America
The Annotated Supplement to the US Naval Handbook (1997) states:
Art. 54(1) [of the 1977 Additional Protocol I] would create a new prohibition on the starvation of civilians as a method of warfare … which the United States believes should be observed and in due course recognized as customary law. "

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18287064)

Not raising the debt ceiling may mean we 're in default, but it means we failed to make payments on principle or interest on the debt. Which is roughly 20 billion or so monthly, which we take in roughly 200 billion monthly in revenue. Which means technically we wouldn't go into default because we make money.

Which means... services like S.S., medicare, etc, etc, etc... will all be fine. It does mean the Gov will have to stop spending money, it does mean some people may not be paid in a timely manor because a service was cut related to it.... but it doesn't mean we go bankrupt, that the repo man comes, that china takes over, or any other stupid crap.

Them not signing this doesn't mean the money flow stops...

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18287561)

No, he never made that threat, he isn't manipulating the funds in any way, shape or form.... and you still can't prove none of that fake quote shit you've spewed throughout this post.

Oh yeah, we aren't at war with ourselves..... so basically all the other crap you posted is pure trash.



I'm pretty sure that you're not actually an American, that's part of the lie that is SallyRand. I'm going to say you're from russia, probably ukrainian. Your English-writing skills scream that you're a communist.... so it must be true.

Originally Posted by SallyRand (Post 18287708)

My English writing skills indicate that I am a sentient and professional speaker and writer of the language; a published author of fiction, technical articles, non-fiction articles, have an upcoming article in a vintage auto magazine and although I do indeed have friends who were once Commmie Bastiges, they have seen the error of their earlier beliefs and now embrace capitalism and all the good things that go with it.

I am not now nor have I ever been a *Communist*............

What I am is this and I want you all to join me:

Am also Native Kansan; a Jayhawk to the core so Go Fuck Yourself and take your silly-assed spin with you!

Originally Posted by Hank_Heartland (Post 18287700)

Now who's being overly simple...oh we default and life just carry on...I'm sure the world economy would appreciate that:thumbsup

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 18287095)

The US is in a bind at the moment, it has the choice of raising the debt ceiling or default.

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 18287822)

When Clinton was president, he raised taxes and wiped out the debt.

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 18287822)

SallyRand:

You don't get it at all. There is no money left.

When Clinton was president, he raised taxes and wiped out the debt. The US economy was very strong and the value of the US dollar was high.

When bush came in, he gave huge tax breaks to the wealthy and removed taxes completely from big oil, GE, etc. He also started a war against a country who was not your enemy, de regulated the banks, and drove the US into severe debt. By the time he was finally out, the US was falling into recession and over 700,000 jobs were being lost every single month.

Besides Kill Bin Ladden, Obama pulled the economy back from the brink of disaster returned socialized medicine, and hundreds of other things, all WITHOUT the help from the fuckers in the GOP.

The GOP's agenda is very clear : Get Obama out, no matter what. They don't give a damn about what happens to your country or even the world. They just want Obama.

It is really, really sad what is happening to your country. There is shit everywhere you look. The GOP wants poor people to get poorer, sick people to get sicker. They are trying to steal votes, ruin the environment, etc. Just ... everything...

You need to see things from an outsides point of view. We Canadians, Brits and the rest of the world are all watching what is going on in your country very closely and we are awash in stunned disbelief. We are watching your country, as beautiful as it is, fall apart right before our eyes.

President Obama is not perfect, no one is. But from our point of view he seems like he is the only one who actually cares about his country.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18287819)

Some of the shit you come up with... The 14th Amendment! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Section 4 of the 14th amendments confirms the legitimacy of all United States public debt appropriated by the Congress. It also confirmed that neither the United States nor any state would pay for the loss of slaves or debts that had been incurred by the Confederacy. For example, several English and French banks had lent money to the South during the war. The Supreme Court ruled that under Section 4 voiding a United States government bond "went beyond the congressional power.

It's simple, the American people are sick of our government putting their personal agenda ahead of what the people want/need. Obama wants a second term and has no problem running up more debt to stay in office. The republicans know this and with a high probability the economy is going to crash, as a democrat is in office and then use this as a platform to run on reform or whatever. In short, the Republicans are so desperate for power they'll run the risk of tanking the economy to be in a position to grab power.

We are in serious trouble and the best thing is for the market to crash so we can start over and build a more solid system with new laws about lending and credit. Sadly, this will never happen and we will go the way of Japan and slowly bleed to death because of Government leaders are pussies with their primary objective, stay in office.

The Government and Americans are too far in debt to ever have past market growth. It needs to crash.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18287991)

He also deregulated bank mergers that was set into place after the great depression. Due to this we are in a world of financial shit because of it.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18288015)

Dumb fuck it was cut/paste from Wikipedia and I did not translate it. Besides, your original post using it as a reference was completely moronic, normal from you.

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 18287491)

Jesus.... who is the girl in your sig?

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18288156)

We need a real president to make tough decisions because we are in serious trouble.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 18288142)

I am just strongly of the opinion that the govt. and the media are trying to frame this situation as "raise the debt ceiling or go into default...end of the world"

And I think that we are being fed false info on that.

My opinion based on the past few decades of our govt. is this:
They will keep on spending more than we take in.
If ANY taxes are raised they will NOT be used to lower the debt...they will be SPENT by Congress & the President on more shit.

Any person or any business in the world would be unable to do what they are doing.
Just using common sense should tell us that the spending has to STOP. And I'm not talking about social security. Unfortunately we are all locked into that with no way out.
But everything else should and has to be on the table.

Nobody can just keep spending when they are already in 41 years of DEBT.