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TheDoc 07-16-2011 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand (Post 18287105)
Which one of the three countries I mentioned do not have people shooting at Americans?

Libya isn't shooting at America troops.... as I stated.

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Originally Posted by SallyRand (Post 18287105)
You trin' to tell me that they do not try to shoot back at American bombers?

Oh, then we're getting shot in several other countries as well, we must be at war with many countries in your book then.

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Originally Posted by SallyRand (Post 18287105)
People shoot at each other in "conflicts".

People shoot at each other in "wars".

Sounds like you need to educate yourself on the difference.


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Originally Posted by SallyRand (Post 18287105)
The dead do not know the diferrence and neither do the bankers who finacne both.

Gimmee a fuckin' break.

End the wars, bring the troops home now and let's resolve our issues at home.

Yeah, we should stop all things that kill, being that the dead know no difference. No more cars, they kill a ton of people, millions.. and drugs, cigs, drinking, shit most industry... and th elist goes on.

Agreed, end the wars.. that still wont resolve our issues at home but it's a start at spending less money.

TheDoc 07-16-2011 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 18287111)
The main worry they were talking about is that if we can't pay the bond holders that will destroy our credit rating, send interest rates up and it cold cause a domino effect that could spread all over the world.

14th Amendment... they'll figure out something and sign it, or Obama gets his way set in stone and no way to reverse it.

AdultKing 07-16-2011 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18287122)
The foreigners on this board will never understand the true value of currency is the military that backs it.

If people don't understand that then they must have failed high school history.

Every economic empire in history has had a powerful military to back it up.

It's quasi definition of empire.

Then again, you're quite correct, most people froth about this and that without understanding anything about the historical context of the situation.

NaughtyVisions 07-16-2011 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand (Post 18287105)
Which one of the three countries I mentioned do not have people shooting at Americans?

So people shooting at Americans is your criteria for war? Fuck, Americans shoot at Americans here at home. Damn it, America is at war with America. How much is this fucking costing us?

Tempest 07-16-2011 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18287122)
Well if you want some facts Tempests here's a few.

Your opinion means fuck-all because you're not American and can't vote. So you just sound like another snooty Canadian getting involved our politics. It means about as much as a waterboy trying to give game advice to the players on the field. In short, STFU and pick up your bottles and get your ass to the sideline.

Second, never forget you're in an American porn forum and the bulk of your bills are paid by Americans because we are the majority share of the porn market. If not, you wouldn't be here.

Third, The reason why most Americans know little about Canadian politics is we couldn't give a shit because if all Canadians vanished tomorrow, the fast majority of Americans lives would not change one little bit.

Finally, I don't agree with SR and you all just fail to understand the true American politics. Republicans know they're not going to win the next election and just trying to give Obama a hard time because he's been skating for the last 2 years to insure a reelection. That's it.

The republicans have always been sore losers and put the "Party" a head of the people each and every time. Besides, if the debt ceiling is not raised markets will collapse because the lack of of investor confidence. So if we collapse, so do all of you and the only difference is we have the largest and most advanced military in the world. The foreigners on this board will never understand the true value of currency is the military that backs it.

yada yada yada. Were you planning on debating anything.

Fact... Your opinion means as much as mine. None of our opinions matter a bit. Unless you're in a position of power, a persons opinions mean nothing. But really.. I think I've made 1 statement of opinion in here and everything else has been fact.

Not worth saying anything else about your diatribe.

Tempest 07-16-2011 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 18287131)
Every economic empire in history has had a powerful military to back it up.

"Had" being the key word there... None of them exist today... Just as the US as it is today will cease to exist in the future... That's what history should have taught everyone.

kane 07-16-2011 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18287123)
14th Amendment... they'll figure out something and sign it, or Obama gets his way set in stone and no way to reverse it.

I agree. I have a feeling right now both sides are just waiting to see who will blink. They have a few weeks to make this happen. I think, in the end, there will be a package close to what Obama wants which is spending cuts with some tax raises, but instead of raises I think they will agree to close some loopholes in the tax code. This will allow them to get more taxes fro the wealthy and companies and yet the republicans can save some face by having not "technically" raised taxes.

woj 07-16-2011 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 18287055)
Everyone says stop spending on the military yada yada yada.... so... what jobs will all those people get? Stop buying so many bullets and planes??? What jobs will the laid off military contractors get? Stop spending on this.. stop spending on that... cut the budget... well to cut the budget means cutting jobs.. Any company that "trims" their costs or restructures to deal with mile high debt, ends up cutting jobs... and there are no jobs out there for those people... So one way or the other, the government will end up paying people anyway whether it's welfare or whatever.

How about spend that $$ on more productive projects at home? For example, instead of lets say buying a few tanks or military aircraft, spend that $$ to replace all the old public buses in Chicago? It would cost exactly the same in both $$ terms, and labor requirements... so there would be no net employment loss... :2 cents:

epitome 07-16-2011 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18287077)
I bet most of you LOVE your smart phones and portal devices ability to last forever. Oh that.... lithium battery, it can last for days now and recharges so damn fast, it kills old battery technology like no other, or does it?

The lithium in new phones and devices is remarkable, and it comes from the Afghan mines, which we discovered through this war.

War is making your lives better, you benefit and profit from it right now, you benefit in ways you could never dream of, be careful what you wish to end, your business may go with it.

Exactly. There is a trillion dollars or more of valuable minerals sitting under Afghanistan. A country we occupy.

There is a reaoson we aren't leaving.

brassmonkey 07-16-2011 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 18287016)
This cheese platter looks very nice...

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/117/2...13c2e0b593.jpg

indeed :)

Agent 488 07-16-2011 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 18287143)
How about spend that $$ on more productive projects at home? For example, instead of lets say buying a few tanks or military aircraft, spend that $$ to replace all the old public buses in Chicago? It would cost exactly the same in both $$ terms, and labor requirements... so there would be no net employment loss... :2 cents:

i agree. that is the rational and humane decision.

Tempest 07-16-2011 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 18287143)
How about spend that $$ on more productive projects at home? For example, instead of lets say buying a few tanks or military aircraft, spend that $$ to replace all the old public buses in Chicago? It would cost exactly the same in both $$ terms, and labor requirements... so there would be no net employment loss... :2 cents:

Agreed... Makes sense to most people... But it's federal spending that's the issue and buses in Chicago is city money... Cutting federal spending to balance the budget, reduce the debt etc. does not put money into the system.. It puts people out of work.. Directly from the loss of jobs, or through not buying as many pencils which puts people out of work in the pencil factories. All those people have less money to pay in taxes to the states.. There's less money for city programs like replacing those buses.. All those people spend less money... Businesses make less and thus can't hire more people.. It's one big intertwined mess.

The only way to accomplish something like that would be government funded/run projects. But no one wants the government to do that sort of thing. And we've seen how effective it is to just give business some money to do that stuff themselves. That's worked out really well over the last couple years. I guess they could get the money to the city/state through "earmarks".. But no one wants those either. Everyone wants smaller government and less spending to just magically happen.

iamtam 07-16-2011 09:20 PM

how much do the republicants pay you to post this shit?

2MuchMark 07-16-2011 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand (Post 18286827)
"Spin"?

Bet me motherfucker!

In The Chosen One's own words!:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...89-503544.html

"President Obama on Tuesday said he cannot guarantee that retirees will receive their Social Security checks August 3 if Democrats and Republicans in Washington do not reach an agreement on reducing the deficit in the coming weeks.

"I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3rd if we haven't resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it," Mr. Obama said in an interview with CBS Evening News anchor Scott Pelley, according to excerpts released by CBS News."

He can fund THREE wars plus the War On The American People, formerly known as "The War On Drugs" but THREATENS SOCIAL SECURITY?

People have been PAYING into Social Security for years so that things like this would NOT happen!

Impeach Obama now, bring the troops home, stop the wars, re-elect no one and start over.

http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/y...can/bobomi.jpg


SallyRand:

If the checks don't go out, it's the GOP's fault, NOT Obama's.

directfiesta 07-17-2011 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18287084)

To expand on it though, we are in one war, the war on terror.


https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZMj9g6WRLfQ

damn shit Obama got you in !!!!


DWB 07-17-2011 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 18286890)
In theory you are correct. But there is a large group of people in the baby boomer generation who were never offered any kind of 401K or retirement through their job. Sure, they could have gone out and gotten their own IRA, but the reality is that Capitalism is a pyramid. The further down it you go the less those jobs pay and those people don't really have the means to set aside their own IRA.

The average wage in America is $16 per hour. At that wage you make around $30K per year pre tax. After all the taxes you will likely see around $23K per year. The average home price in the US is $180K.

So if the average wage earner buys the average home that will take up half of their take home pay. Add in a car (nothing fancy, just a car) food, utilities etc and the average wage earner is lucky to make ends meet.

Say that average person took 3% of their income and set it aside every year for their own retirement. Assuming they did this at age 20 and did it for 40 years at 2% interest (that is more than most savings/money market accounts offer) they would end up with about $45K in the bank. . . not much of a retirement. Say they were able to set aside 10% and invested it to get a 6% return annually and they never lost (meaning recessions like the one we have now never happen) that would give them about $440K. That is a whole hell of a lot better, but it would require that a lot of things went right for that person and that they were able to set aside 10% of their income.

I'm not making excuses for people, I'm just pointing out that there are a lot of people for whom this is reality and fixing that reality is a little more challenging than just saying so.

Jesus.... who is the girl in your sig?

Barry-xlovecam 07-17-2011 06:08 AM


SallyRand 07-17-2011 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 18287242)
SallyRand:

If the checks don't go out, it's the GOP's fault, NOT Obama's.

Bullshit.

There is plenty of money to send out the PEOPLE'S OWN FUCKING MONEY!

Obama has stooped to the lowest level of any American president ever and should either resign in shame or be impeached in disgrace.

Are you aware, Mr, Smarty-Pants Asshole that Social Security is NOT a part of the federal budget but is funded separately by its own trust fund?

Yeah.

Mr. "The Buck Stops Here" is fucking those depending on the monies they paid into Social Security over many years!

How is he doing it?

Here is how the dirty bastard is leveraging the aging, the diabled, children depending on Social Security, retirees and in short, the entire American public!:

http://www.ssa.gov/history/BudgetTreatment.html

"Special Note About SSA's Administrative Budget:

Although the transactions of the Social Security program itself are officially "off-budget," as explained above, the administrative budget for the agency running the program (the Social Security Administration) is not. SSA's annual administrative budget is subject to the standard budget and appropriations process. Thus each year the agency must present a separate budget request for its administrative costs (called the Limitation on Administrative Expenditures, or LAE line-item) and this request is subject to all the standard review procedures of the Office of Management and Budget and the budget and appropriations committees of the Congress."

The Chosen One is telling the public that "We have your Social Security money but unless I get MY fucking way, I'm not going to be able to fund the people and systems which SEND you your money, so get your representatives to get into lock-step with me or suffer the consequences!"

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m...g/Picture1.png

TheDoc 07-17-2011 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand (Post 18287504)
Bullshit.

There is plenty of money to send out the PEOPLE'S OWN FUCKING MONEY!

Obama has stooped to the lowest level of any American president ever and should either resign in shame or be impeached in disgrace.

Are you aware, Mr, Smarty-Pants Asshole that Social Security is NOT a part of the federal budget but is funded separately by its own trust fund?

Yeah.

Mr. "The Buck Stops Here" is fucking those depending on the monies they paid into Social Security over many years!

How is he doing it?

Here is how the dirty bastard is leveraging the aging, the diabled, children depending on Social Security, retirees and in short, the entire American public!:

http://www.ssa.gov/history/BudgetTreatment.html

"Special Note About SSA's Administrative Budget:

Although the transactions of the Social Security program itself are officially "off-budget," as explained above, the administrative budget for the agency running the program (the Social Security Administration) is not. SSA's annual administrative budget is subject to the standard budget and appropriations process. Thus each year the agency must present a separate budget request for its administrative costs (called the Limitation on Administrative Expenditures, or LAE line-item) and this request is subject to all the standard review procedures of the Office of Management and Budget and the budget and appropriations committees of the Congress."

The Chosen One is telling the public that "We have your Social Security money but unless I get MY fucking way, I'm not going to be able to fund the people and systems which SEND you your money, so get your representatives to get into lock-step with me or suffer the consequences!"


Happen to have a source for that quote? I'm guessing not.....

Anyway, that's not leveraging and it would be the Republicans and Democrats fault.

You blaming Obama at this point, screams that you have no clue what is going on. Actually, you sound like an old nut case and your rants scream mental problems.

SallyRand 07-17-2011 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18287523)
Happen to have a source for that quote? I'm guessing not.....

Anyway, that's not leveraging and it would be the Republicans and Democrats fault.

You blaming Obama at this point, screams that you have no clue what is going on. Actually, you sound like an old nut case and your rants scream mental problems.

By manipulating the disbursement of Social Security funds for political gain, Barack Hussein Obama is threatening a portion of the USA population with the spectre of starvation and is in effect declaring war on that portion of the population.

The use of starvation as a weapon of war is considered to be a Crime Against Humanity and is an indictable offense under international law.

http://www.icrc.org/customary-ihl/en...t=sta rvation

"Report of the Commission on Responsibility:

Based on several documents supplying evidence of outrages committed during the First World War, the 1919 Report of the Commission on Responsibility lists violations of the laws and customs of war which should be subject to criminal prosecution, including ?deliberate starvation of civilians?.

"United States of America
The Annotated Supplement to the US Naval Handbook (1997) states:
Art. 54(1) [of the 1977 Additional Protocol I] would create a new prohibition on the starvation of civilians as a method of warfare ? which the United States believes should be observed and in due course recognized as customary law. "

http://i569.photobucket.com/albums/s...Baby-Seal3.jpg

TheDoc 07-17-2011 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand (Post 18287550)
By manipulating the disbursement of Social Security funds for political gain, Barack Hussein Obama is threatening a portion of the USA population with the spectre of starvation and is in effect declaring war on that portion of the population.

The use of starvation as a weapon of war is considered to be a Crime Against Humanity and is an indictable offense under international law.

http://www.icrc.org/customary-ihl/en...t=sta rvation

"Report of the Commission on Responsibility:

Based on several documents supplying evidence of outrages committed during the First World War, the 1919 Report of the Commission on Responsibility lists violations of the laws and customs of war which should be subject to criminal prosecution, including “deliberate starvation of civilians”.

"United States of America
The Annotated Supplement to the US Naval Handbook (1997) states:
Art. 54(1) [of the 1977 Additional Protocol I] would create a new prohibition on the starvation of civilians as a method of warfare … which the United States believes should be observed and in due course recognized as customary law. "

No, he never made that threat, he isn't manipulating the funds in any way, shape or form.... and you still can't prove none of that fake quote shit you've spewed throughout this post.

Oh yeah, we aren't at war with ourselves..... so basically all the other crap you posted is pure trash.



I'm pretty sure that you're not actually an American, that's part of the lie that is SallyRand. I'm going to say you're from russia, probably ukrainian. Your English-writing skills scream that you're a communist.... so it must be true.

Hank_Heartland 07-17-2011 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18287064)
Not raising the debt ceiling may mean we 're in default, but it means we failed to make payments on principle or interest on the debt. Which is roughly 20 billion or so monthly, which we take in roughly 200 billion monthly in revenue. Which means technically we wouldn't go into default because we make money.

Which means... services like S.S., medicare, etc, etc, etc... will all be fine. It does mean the Gov will have to stop spending money, it does mean some people may not be paid in a timely manor because a service was cut related to it.... but it doesn't mean we go bankrupt, that the repo man comes, that china takes over, or any other stupid crap.

Them not signing this doesn't mean the money flow stops...

Now who's being overly simple...oh we default and life just carry on...I'm sure the world economy would appreciate that:thumbsup

SallyRand 07-17-2011 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 18287561)
No, he never made that threat, he isn't manipulating the funds in any way, shape or form.... and you still can't prove none of that fake quote shit you've spewed throughout this post.

Oh yeah, we aren't at war with ourselves..... so basically all the other crap you posted is pure trash.



I'm pretty sure that you're not actually an American, that's part of the lie that is SallyRand. I'm going to say you're from russia, probably ukrainian. Your English-writing skills scream that you're a communist.... so it must be true.

My English writing skills indicate that I am a sentient and professional speaker and writer of the language; a published author of fiction, technical articles, non-fiction articles, have an upcoming article in a vintage auto magazine and although I do indeed have friends who were once Commmie Bastiges, they have seen the error of their earlier beliefs and now embrace capitalism and all the good things that go with it.

I am not now nor have I ever been a *Communist*............

What I am is this and I want you all to join me:



Am also Native Kansan; a Jayhawk to the core so Go Fuck Yourself and take your silly-assed spin with you!

Coup 07-17-2011 09:12 AM

The "Socialist" is preventing socialism! that bastard!


Cognitive dissonance by the truckload!

TheDoc 07-17-2011 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand (Post 18287708)
My English writing skills indicate that I am a sentient and professional speaker and writer of the language; a published author of fiction, technical articles, non-fiction articles, have an upcoming article in a vintage auto magazine and although I do indeed have friends who were once Commmie Bastiges, they have seen the error of their earlier beliefs and now embrace capitalism and all the good things that go with it.

I am not now nor have I ever been a *Communist*............

What I am is this and I want you all to join me:

Am also Native Kansan; a Jayhawk to the core so Go Fuck Yourself and take your silly-assed spin with you!

Wow, you wrote a few blog posts, made your own ebook that nobody purchased and joined the ranks of many others published in avn, xbiz and the fubar times... many of which aren't American either, so grats to you all!

Yeah, most Russies born after the fall feel this way, but they still are what they are. Sleepers often know the areas they're told about in great detail, often better than life long residents... that seems to fit you perfectly.

TheDoc 07-17-2011 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Hank_Heartland (Post 18287700)
Now who's being overly simple...oh we default and life just carry on...I'm sure the world economy would appreciate that:thumbsup

It's not complex at all... we wouldn't really be in default. If we stopped spending, our income is vastly higher than our real costs, like payments on interest, basic services, etc. The gov shutting down does not mean the fed reserve and banks and american business stops, not even the full gov stops...

Even if we went in default, we still have 10x the money vs cost ratio than the next country and that amount over what is needed overall. It's impossible for us to be in default... we would need to stop making money first.

Either way, based on the 14th Amendment, Obama isn't allowed to let us go into default. So either this is total media hype spin and we will never really go into default, or both sides are willing to let Obama set this anyway he likes, without the ability to stop him. Which I find, very unlikely.

lazycash 07-17-2011 09:49 AM

Sally, did you get your check yet?

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...rY49PZHG7cEdg_

2MuchMark 07-17-2011 10:19 AM

SallyRand:

You don't get it at all. There is no money left.

When Clinton was president, he raised taxes and wiped out the debt. The US economy was very strong and the value of the US dollar was high.

When bush came in, he gave huge tax breaks to the wealthy and removed taxes completely from big oil, GE, etc. He also started a war against a country who was not your enemy, de regulated the banks, and drove the US into severe debt. By the time he was finally out, the US was falling into recession and over 700,000 jobs were being lost every single month.

Besides Kill Bin Ladden, Obama pulled the economy back from the brink of disaster returned socialized medicine, and hundreds of other things, all WITHOUT the help from the fuckers in the GOP.

The GOP's agenda is very clear : Get Obama out, no matter what. They don't give a damn about what happens to your country or even the world. They just want Obama.

It is really, really sad what is happening to your country. There is shit everywhere you look. The GOP wants poor people to get poorer, sick people to get sicker. They are trying to steal votes, ruin the environment, etc. Just ... everything...

You need to see things from an outsides point of view. We Canadians, Brits and the rest of the world are all watching what is going on in your country very closely and we are awash in stunned disbelief. We are watching your country, as beautiful as it is, fall apart right before our eyes.

President Obama is not perfect, no one is. But from our point of view he seems like he is the only one who actually cares about his country.

Robbie 07-17-2011 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 18287095)
The US is in a bind at the moment, it has the choice of raising the debt ceiling or default.

I don't see it that way. The U.S. could stop flinging missiles at Libya at 1.2 million dollars a pop. We could close down the 800 military bases in OTHER countries that we sustain around the world at taxpayer expense. The U.S. defense dept. is also one of the world's largest landowners with around 2,202,735 hectares of land with domestic and intl. bases combined.

The U.S. could also immediately STOP all pork spending. Stop all foreign aid. Stop the million things the govt. is doing that it shouldn't be doing. And yes I know that people in govt. feed us the line that "foreign aid is only a tiny percentage of blah, blah, blah"
Yes, but it adds up to BILLIONS of dollars. And when you add that up to all the other things then you start getting to TRILLIONS of dollars.

Congress and Presidents spend money like drunken sailors.
Check this out: "Each year since 1969, Congress has spent more money than its income."

My point is that there is absolutely no reason for the U.S. govt to go into "default". We CAN make our payment on the debt. We CAN keep the essential services of our govt. open and running. We are NOT broke and we do not necessarily have to raise the debt ceiling.

But the politicians in Washington D.C. want to just keep spending money on EVERYTHING and keep going further and further into debt. :(

Robbie 07-17-2011 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 18287822)
When Clinton was president, he raised taxes and wiped out the debt.

Clinton in retrospect was a great president. And definitely one of the smartest guys to hold that office in a long time.

Having said that....he also benefited from an incredible thing called the "internet bubble".

For the first time in decades an entirely new source of revenue came into being. People started making money on something that had not existed before: the internet.

I remember it very well and how the economy just took off. THAT is what really got the revenue to the federal govt. put into overdrive. And Clinton was smart enough to keep his hands off of it and let it run.

Of course the bubble burst in 1999. But it was a GREAT run while it lasted for sure. Lot of money was made (and that money was taxed).

Clinton also reformed welfare and actually cut a lot of govt. spending.
He also had a mostly peaceful tenure (exception of flinging some missiles at Bosnia and Iraq here and there)...so military spending was not only lower...but he actually CUT and closed a lot of military bases.

SallyRand 07-17-2011 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 18287822)
SallyRand:

You don't get it at all. There is no money left.

When Clinton was president, he raised taxes and wiped out the debt. The US economy was very strong and the value of the US dollar was high.

When bush came in, he gave huge tax breaks to the wealthy and removed taxes completely from big oil, GE, etc. He also started a war against a country who was not your enemy, de regulated the banks, and drove the US into severe debt. By the time he was finally out, the US was falling into recession and over 700,000 jobs were being lost every single month.

Besides Kill Bin Ladden, Obama pulled the economy back from the brink of disaster returned socialized medicine, and hundreds of other things, all WITHOUT the help from the fuckers in the GOP.

The GOP's agenda is very clear : Get Obama out, no matter what. They don't give a damn about what happens to your country or even the world. They just want Obama.

It is really, really sad what is happening to your country. There is shit everywhere you look. The GOP wants poor people to get poorer, sick people to get sicker. They are trying to steal votes, ruin the environment, etc. Just ... everything...

You need to see things from an outsides point of view. We Canadians, Brits and the rest of the world are all watching what is going on in your country very closely and we are awash in stunned disbelief. We are watching your country, as beautiful as it is, fall apart right before our eyes.

President Obama is not perfect, no one is. But from our point of view he seems like he is the only one who actually cares about his country.

Obama has NOT "returned socialized medecine".

His so-called "heath care" system ONLY mandates the people BUY health insurance or face civil and potential criminal prosecution.

I'd be really interested in you enumerating those "hundreds of other things", by the way!

Additionally under the Tyranny of The Chosen One, the USA has the highest unemployment rate since the Great Depression.

And BULLSHIT that we need to see things from YOUR standapoint!

Like the viewpoint of broke-assed Greece?

The viewpoint of officially bankrupt Iceland?

How about the viewpoint of economically failed Ireland?

Maybe the viewpoint of soon-to-be another broke-ass, Portugal?

We need to SEE THINGS AS THEY ARE IN THE USA!

The Social Security money is indeed there; The Chosen One is merely using it as a lever to both get his budget passed and angle for a second term.

Obama says we have to eat our peas, so...................................

http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/a...GREENGIANT.jpg

SleazyDream 07-17-2011 11:36 AM

funny - political discussions on GFY

TheDoc 07-17-2011 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18287819)
Some of the shit you come up with... The 14th Amendment! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Section 4 of the 14th amendments confirms the legitimacy of all United States public debt appropriated by the Congress. It also confirmed that neither the United States nor any state would pay for the loss of slaves or debts that had been incurred by the Confederacy. For example, several English and French banks had lent money to the South during the war. The Supreme Court ruled that under Section 4 voiding a United States government bond "went beyond the congressional power.

It's simple, the American people are sick of our government putting their personal agenda ahead of what the people want/need. Obama wants a second term and has no problem running up more debt to stay in office. The republicans know this and with a high probability the economy is going to crash, as a democrat is in office and then use this as a platform to run on reform or whatever. In short, the Republicans are so desperate for power they'll run the risk of tanking the economy to be in a position to grab power.

We are in serious trouble and the best thing is for the market to crash so we can start over and build a more solid system with new laws about lending and credit. Sadly, this will never happen and we will go the way of Japan and slowly bleed to death because of Government leaders are pussies with their primary objective, stay in office.

The Government and Americans are too far in debt to ever have past market growth. It needs to crash.

It would be better if you don't try to and translate what it says, but rather quote it... unless you enjoy me making you look stupid, then, continue on...

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

http://topics.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv

Agent 488 07-17-2011 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18287991)
He also deregulated bank mergers that was set into place after the great depression. Due to this we are in a world of financial shit because of it.

pretty much. clinton was good at creating an illusion of wealth. when the reality was stagnant wages, increase in debt and yes the deregulation that partly caused the financial crisis.

BFT3K 07-17-2011 12:23 PM

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TheDoc 07-17-2011 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18288015)
Dumb fuck it was cut/paste from Wikipedia and I did not translate it. Besides, your original post using it as a reference was completely moronic, normal from you.

Oh... I'm shocked that you admit to reading the wiki, it's like putting a sign on your forehead that reads, stupid!

Based on what I said and the amendment says, he isn't allowed to let it go into default. Next time I suggest reading the top 2/3 of the wiki.... rather than spouting your mouth here.

kane 07-17-2011 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 18287491)
Jesus.... who is the girl in your sig?

I have no idea. I asked the person who gave it to me and they weren't sure either. I would love to find out.

Robbie 07-17-2011 12:58 PM

I am just strongly of the opinion that the govt. and the media are trying to frame this situation as "raise the debt ceiling or go into default...end of the world"

And I think that we are being fed false info on that.

My opinion based on the past few decades of our govt. is this:
They will keep on spending more than we take in.
If ANY taxes are raised they will NOT be used to lower the debt...they will be SPENT by Congress & the President on more shit.

Any person or any business in the world would be unable to do what they are doing.
Just using common sense should tell us that the spending has to STOP. And I'm not talking about social security. Unfortunately we are all locked into that with no way out.
But everything else should and has to be on the table.

Nobody can just keep spending when they are already in 41 years of DEBT.

Robbie 07-17-2011 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18288156)
We need a real president to make tough decisions because we are in serious trouble.

I believe that a president isn't capable of changing any of this. It's going to take more than that. As long as the members of the house and senate are all profiting from the taxpayer and passing spending bills that are nothing more than govt. handouts to their business cronies back home we are screwed.

I swear to God I'm really starting to think "Libertarian"
This whole "republican" vs "democrat" fictional charade that they are presenting us is nothing more than a way to distract from what they are really doing in Washington.

I'm starting to think this whole corrupt thing is going to implode soon.

topnotch, standup guy 07-17-2011 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 18288142)
I am just strongly of the opinion that the govt. and the media are trying to frame this situation as "raise the debt ceiling or go into default...end of the world"

And I think that we are being fed false info on that.

My opinion based on the past few decades of our govt. is this:
They will keep on spending more than we take in.
If ANY taxes are raised they will NOT be used to lower the debt...they will be SPENT by Congress & the President on more shit.

Any person or any business in the world would be unable to do what they are doing.
Just using common sense should tell us that the spending has to STOP. And I'm not talking about social security. Unfortunately we are all locked into that with no way out.
But everything else should and has to be on the table.

Nobody can just keep spending when they are already in 41 years of DEBT.

Social Security and Medicare are both untouchable and any politician who can walk, chew gum at the same time and who also wants to be reelected knows as much.

The teabaggers don't seem to get it and that is why they'll be a negligible factor post 2012.

The only viable solution to the debt crisis is to grow the fucking economy and pay off the debt with the resultant increased tax revenues.

Problem is nobody has a clue how to go about doing such :(

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