Several ammo boxes full of 9MM, .44 Mag, .308, 30/30, and shot gun shells. After that a compound bow, 6 months of dry pack food, tents, sleeping bags, water filters, cook stoves, gallons of white gas, fishing gear, first aid supplies, etc. everything i would need to live anywhere i need for at least 6 months.

Things go down, I load up the car and camping trailer and off we go, self sustained and off the grid.

I have several friends who are prepared the same and we have a meeting point and destination plan. For me, all the savings in the world aint gonna help you when the currency systems collapse and the only things people are going to want to buy with gold, I will already have.

Werent you on a submarine?

you guys are all fucking nuts

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lots of others in here who can heed your advices though eh.

If the world ever did have a huge financial collapse your gold and silver will be just as useless as paper money. The people with supplies, food and water and means to protect it will be the new millionaires. People will trade for food and living supplies. No one will care how big their gold collection is but how big their stockpile of food, solar equipment, other mechanical equipment used to make energy or fuel, food, everyday supplies, firearms, etc.

Yes I was, trained by marines because I was the small arms petty officer. My job was to insure all the guns were cleaned and in good working order at all times and to keep the training of others on schedule. I went to range anytime I wanted and I did a lot.
The reason I got that job because I grew up with a Marine for a step father and already had training with guns.
Drive by any sub in port, the guard is armed

Ok so what people are posting here are items that are a good investment for survival in worst case situations. Food, water, ammo, weapons etc. The problem is if nothing bad happens and you invested thousands in these items then you lose bigtime. There has to be something you can invest in now that will not depreciate and you can get your money back plus some profit in either situation. Weapons and ammo sounds safer than food and water. Even long shelf life food loses its value as it ages. I'm thinking if silver goes below $30 it might be worth it to buy a few pounds.

Thanks for clarifying, we are pretty much in agreement across the board. The media has become the new control that Religon once was. It's sad that everyone is more excited about the Jersy Shore in Italy than that the FAA is shut down.

I got the pistol grip variant for about the same, great shot gun. But I wouldn't use it for my primary, not enough rounds, and the reload is a bitch. The Saiga's have that issue fixed with mags but still. The name of the game is plenty of rounds, he who has to reload has less chance of shooting.

if shit hits the fan so bad that you'll need to grow your own food then i wouldn't count on electricity or man made fuels either...

Hi Paul, I shot Expert both with Pistol and Rifle. And training nowadays has us shooting at targets that silhouette a human being. You are absolutely right that pulling the trigger to take a life is hard. But I'm pretty sure by the fucked up state of our Veterans coming back from combat theater that we've got that part done pretty well.

Nothing is going to collapse but i guess its fun to fanatise. In the words mr dicken these were the worse of times and the best of times. Just depends who r u.

The US is not Zimbabwe, take a look at the great depression, did folks shot each other for food? did the us dollar become worthless? think the situation is gonna get worse than back then?

Mental masturbation over weapons and ammo.

This thread is so American.

I agree... People no more worry about food.
I always keep my 1 year expenses as a fixed saving which keeps earning interest... So I think I will be doing nothing.

its 18 because its over subsidized, times will change, get ready for it.

you can lose big time with gold and silver as well. :2 cents:



But you are right people are talking about too different things:
1. Investing to make a profit during bad financial times
2. What will be of most value after a financial collapse.

Your title "financial meltdown" can lead people to think you could be talking about either one of those situations above.

yes and yes... and things can always be worst in the future then they have been in the past. I missed the memo on how things can never be worst then they were prior. :upsidedow

Really, some of you are just plain ridiculous, poorly planning for a war, not a financial meltdown.

Everyone talking about guns and weapons, which is great, but if a worst case scenario happens, as it sounds many are planning for, where is your water source? How many days/weeks/months is your food supply? Do you have antibiotics? Is your house already secure or are you just going to wait until zombies beat your door down? You going it alone like Rambo or do do you have a plan with your neighbors?

Thank God I don't live anywhere near some of you knuckle heads.

But I'll tell you what is going to happen for those of you living in the USA, most of you are going to be stripped of your weapons and probably your gold/silver too. If you honestly think the shit is going to hit the fan there, you are a fool for sticking around.

those people aren't planning for shit, just beating their chests.

Getting the fuck out of Dodge IS the safest bet.

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Have any of you thought about this for more than 5 seconds?

You aren't going to wake up one day and look out your window to see a barren post apocalyptic hell-scape with roving gangs of Mad Max style criminals.

If America collapses, it will be a long, slow decline over years and decades. It won't suddenly go to hell with people trading seeds as currency. Britain, France, Spain, those were all super powers at one time and they simply faded into being regular countries. They aren't wastelands filled with gun toting criminals, in fact, many people argue that those countries are better than America.

I guess all I would ask is for people to show me an example of a first world country that declined into this Mad Max style scenario everyone seems to think is coming.

You have the last of the v8's. All hail the night rider!

I worry about the large percentage that can't survive without government assistance taking to the streets if the free money were to stop.

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The funny thing is, I've heard plenty of military statements, and video clips etc, you can google it.

Kids are playing video games, and are rewarded for head shots and accuracy. Now these kids are desensitised to killing and the goal is 1 shot 1 kill.

http://www.thefreeradical.ca/researc...eGrossman.html

Between this and magicmike's comment, the concern Paul has is invalid. Pulling the trigger the first time might be hard, but when you consider that we have see so much more gore and violence because of access to media and the internet, the butterflies in your stomach wouldn't be there very long.

That, and the fact that you wouldn't be taking a life for no reason. We aren't talking about pulling the trigger to kill a random person for no reason.

What if the guys coming at you are Veterans?

It's one thing to think about it, or do it on a computer screen.

The problem is the odds are the guys coming at you have less to lose and more to gain than those they're going after. Imagine a bunch of guys from the "hood" also armed to the teeth, coming after you.

Being trained to fire a gun, shooting a deer, or having a cupboard full of weapons, Isn't proof you can actually kill someone when they're standing in front of you with a gun.

http://www.military-sf.com/Killing.htm

http://american_almanac.tripod.com/grossm1.htm

Quote:

The change was triggered by a discovery that Gen S.L.A. Marshall made during the Second World War. He sent out teams to interview American infantry companies immediately after combat, with a guarantee that each soldier`s testimony would remain absolutely confidential — and he learned that up to 90 per cent of those American infantrymen had found it impossible to kill enemy soldiers.

Here's a lot more to read. http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en#sc...w=1280&bih=811 Go read it and think about it. They were fighting next to their buddies, trying to stop them from getting killed and still the found it tough to shoot to kill.

Mr Middleclasssuburban is kidding himself, odds are the perp will shoot him with his own weapon.

people that worry about the collapse of society and stock up for it are generally scumbags and con-man that realize that without cops everyone is going to get back at them when the cops and courts disappear.

i get along with most people. my brothers and sisters will work together when shit falls apart.

EDITED: Why am I arguing with Paul. Somehow this will be turned into another I know more than you about the subject rant.

Pretty strong words. Saying that anyone who stocks up for emergencies is a scum bag or con-man? Then you go on to say you get along with most everyone? You obviously have nobody in your life other than a pet or two or you would realize that many people stock up to ensure the survival of not themselves so much as their family members. I used to enjoy your posts, but now you sound like a total fucking idiot.

But you are missing the most important aspect Paul.

We aren't talking about soldiers being sent to a foreign land to attack.

We are talking about people on their own land, in their own houses fighting to survive.

These are two vastly different things and I guarantee you it's much easier pulling the trigger over and over on people who are invading your space.

When you are protecting yourself and your loved ones you become quite the killer very fast, or die.

I've been gearing up for years. where the fuck were you people? oh yeah, sucking Bush's ass ...

Have fun singing kumbaya as your wife, mother or daughter is being ass raped by a fucking goon squad genius.

I've been around enough and seen enough brutality to know that if shit really does hit the fan you're as good as dead if you don't have a back up plan as in a good defense.

Take this thread as some overall good advice, because some of these suggestions may just save your life down the road.

speaking of, i was reading an article a long time ago re: how would rambo do as an armageddon survivalist, and putting away the hollywood side of it for a moment, the author argued that rambo would dominate due to his in-field experience & more importantly- no family.

During the great depression the fastest mode of communication was a telegram. Look at what happened in 2008. Over the weekend how many banks failed? How fast did the stock market crash and real estate price drop? And look at what just happened in the middle east. Thing's move much faster now. America is in a decline and it's a lot faster than most care to recongnize.

But yeah short of a planet wide natural disaster the Mad Max scenario is just plain silly. But I think things could go to shit overnight. Gas prices could double, the stock market could crash totally in a 24 hour period. We live in a age where all information is instant and that means we make decisions instantly. Mass selling off of stocks and bonds would totally ruin the worlds economy.

http://www.movieguys.org/wp-content/...bo-300x237.png
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_N91xwP-lKv...2BYankovic.jpg

oh wait that's Weird Al!
actually considering that he can blow up people with this crossbow might make him even more deadly;)

classic! :1orglaugh

I lived through it with Katrina. While it didn't affect the entire country, only a small portion of it, and it didn't happen for a long period of time... You did have a 1st world country turn into mad max over a span of 2-3 days. Just a small example of what could happen on a larger scale.

Things that could cause "mad max" type conditions would not be financially related but more likely from weather, disease (biological), nuclear (war) etc... In the past 2,000 years all of the above have caused 1st world countries to experience long periods of time where there was chaos and every man for himself.

The problem with this thread (besides the typical GFY of everyone thinking they know everything about everything) is that you have several different people talking about different things.

Wow you guys sound like wild west cowboys lol

This is whats its like when it happens






All the other parts can be seen under each video

Surviving without money

uh huh emo retard turn off the punk music and hollywood movies and reacquaint yourself with reality.

Remember how after 9/11 people came together and got shit done?

The same would happen if we had a collapse, which won't happen because we will take out too many people with us.

You doomsday idiots are really under-estimating Americans. Our government may be fucked up but we still have a country full of great people.

If other countries didn't let Greece collapse - a country that does nothing, what makes you think they will let us collapse?

We have nukes. We win.

I also expect a long slow decline.

With regions that collapse harder for short periods, then are pacified.

But it's the long slow decline that you should be fearing.

Road warrior is mostly male fantasy. It's kinda pleasant to imagine a social order in which we can be ferocious males again. Fuck, I sure enjoy that fantasy well enough myself.

The long slow decline will be far more humiliating.

With very few oppurtunities to be glory-seeking ferocious males.

Still, buy guns and tools anyway. Well, technically, you shoulda bought them long ago, because you'd have to have been pretty fucking suburban not to have seen this coming for years.

I rather like that bullet swager/reloading press someone posted.

after reading this thread i think it's safer to travel to Afghanistan than to the US :winkwink:

That is what it is.. a long slow decline. I'm no expert (obviously) but I really doubt things are going to plummet overnight.

Mostly inflation further and further out distancing income as a whole.

Turn out the lights.. the parties over. (for more and more people in the US all the time)

I see the media has done a great job instilling fear into the american sheeple.

there was a shiny display at the store.