Have any of you thought about this for more than 5 seconds?

You aren't going to wake up one day and look out your window to see a barren post apocalyptic hell-scape with roving gangs of Mad Max style criminals.

If America collapses, it will be a long, slow decline over years and decades. It won't suddenly go to hell with people trading seeds as currency. Britain, France, Spain, those were all super powers at one time and they simply faded into being regular countries. They aren't wastelands filled with gun toting criminals, in fact, many people argue that those countries are better than America.

I guess all I would ask is for people to show me an example of a first world country that declined into this Mad Max style scenario everyone seems to think is coming.

You have the last of the v8's. All hail the night rider!

I worry about the large percentage that can't survive without government assistance taking to the streets if the free money were to stop.

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The funny thing is, I've heard plenty of military statements, and video clips etc, you can google it.

Kids are playing video games, and are rewarded for head shots and accuracy. Now these kids are desensitised to killing and the goal is 1 shot 1 kill.

http://www.thefreeradical.ca/researc...eGrossman.html

Between this and magicmike's comment, the concern Paul has is invalid. Pulling the trigger the first time might be hard, but when you consider that we have see so much more gore and violence because of access to media and the internet, the butterflies in your stomach wouldn't be there very long.

That, and the fact that you wouldn't be taking a life for no reason. We aren't talking about pulling the trigger to kill a random person for no reason.

What if the guys coming at you are Veterans?

It's one thing to think about it, or do it on a computer screen.

The problem is the odds are the guys coming at you have less to lose and more to gain than those they're going after. Imagine a bunch of guys from the "hood" also armed to the teeth, coming after you.

Being trained to fire a gun, shooting a deer, or having a cupboard full of weapons, Isn't proof you can actually kill someone when they're standing in front of you with a gun.

http://www.military-sf.com/Killing.htm

http://american_almanac.tripod.com/grossm1.htm

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The change was triggered by a discovery that Gen S.L.A. Marshall made during the Second World War. He sent out teams to interview American infantry companies immediately after combat, with a guarantee that each soldier`s testimony would remain absolutely confidential — and he learned that up to 90 per cent of those American infantrymen had found it impossible to kill enemy soldiers.

Here's a lot more to read. http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en#sc...w=1280&bih=811 Go read it and think about it. They were fighting next to their buddies, trying to stop them from getting killed and still the found it tough to shoot to kill.

Mr Middleclasssuburban is kidding himself, odds are the perp will shoot him with his own weapon.

people that worry about the collapse of society and stock up for it are generally scumbags and con-man that realize that without cops everyone is going to get back at them when the cops and courts disappear.

i get along with most people. my brothers and sisters will work together when shit falls apart.

EDITED: Why am I arguing with Paul. Somehow this will be turned into another I know more than you about the subject rant.

Pretty strong words. Saying that anyone who stocks up for emergencies is a scum bag or con-man? Then you go on to say you get along with most everyone? You obviously have nobody in your life other than a pet or two or you would realize that many people stock up to ensure the survival of not themselves so much as their family members. I used to enjoy your posts, but now you sound like a total fucking idiot.

But you are missing the most important aspect Paul.

We aren't talking about soldiers being sent to a foreign land to attack.

We are talking about people on their own land, in their own houses fighting to survive.

These are two vastly different things and I guarantee you it's much easier pulling the trigger over and over on people who are invading your space.

When you are protecting yourself and your loved ones you become quite the killer very fast, or die.

I've been gearing up for years. where the fuck were you people? oh yeah, sucking Bush's ass ...

Have fun singing kumbaya as your wife, mother or daughter is being ass raped by a fucking goon squad genius.

I've been around enough and seen enough brutality to know that if shit really does hit the fan you're as good as dead if you don't have a back up plan as in a good defense.

Take this thread as some overall good advice, because some of these suggestions may just save your life down the road.

speaking of, i was reading an article a long time ago re: how would rambo do as an armageddon survivalist, and putting away the hollywood side of it for a moment, the author argued that rambo would dominate due to his in-field experience & more importantly- no family.

During the great depression the fastest mode of communication was a telegram. Look at what happened in 2008. Over the weekend how many banks failed? How fast did the stock market crash and real estate price drop? And look at what just happened in the middle east. Thing's move much faster now. America is in a decline and it's a lot faster than most care to recongnize.

But yeah short of a planet wide natural disaster the Mad Max scenario is just plain silly. But I think things could go to shit overnight. Gas prices could double, the stock market could crash totally in a 24 hour period. We live in a age where all information is instant and that means we make decisions instantly. Mass selling off of stocks and bonds would totally ruin the worlds economy.

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http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_N91xwP-lKv...2BYankovic.jpg

oh wait that's Weird Al!
actually considering that he can blow up people with this crossbow might make him even more deadly;)

classic! :1orglaugh

I lived through it with Katrina. While it didn't affect the entire country, only a small portion of it, and it didn't happen for a long period of time... You did have a 1st world country turn into mad max over a span of 2-3 days. Just a small example of what could happen on a larger scale.

Things that could cause "mad max" type conditions would not be financially related but more likely from weather, disease (biological), nuclear (war) etc... In the past 2,000 years all of the above have caused 1st world countries to experience long periods of time where there was chaos and every man for himself.

The problem with this thread (besides the typical GFY of everyone thinking they know everything about everything) is that you have several different people talking about different things.

Wow you guys sound like wild west cowboys lol

This is whats its like when it happens






All the other parts can be seen under each video

Surviving without money

uh huh emo retard turn off the punk music and hollywood movies and reacquaint yourself with reality.

Remember how after 9/11 people came together and got shit done?

The same would happen if we had a collapse, which won't happen because we will take out too many people with us.

You doomsday idiots are really under-estimating Americans. Our government may be fucked up but we still have a country full of great people.

If other countries didn't let Greece collapse - a country that does nothing, what makes you think they will let us collapse?

We have nukes. We win.

I also expect a long slow decline.

With regions that collapse harder for short periods, then are pacified.

But it's the long slow decline that you should be fearing.

Road warrior is mostly male fantasy. It's kinda pleasant to imagine a social order in which we can be ferocious males again. Fuck, I sure enjoy that fantasy well enough myself.

The long slow decline will be far more humiliating.

With very few oppurtunities to be glory-seeking ferocious males.

Still, buy guns and tools anyway. Well, technically, you shoulda bought them long ago, because you'd have to have been pretty fucking suburban not to have seen this coming for years.

I rather like that bullet swager/reloading press someone posted.

after reading this thread i think it's safer to travel to Afghanistan than to the US :winkwink:

That is what it is.. a long slow decline. I'm no expert (obviously) but I really doubt things are going to plummet overnight.

Mostly inflation further and further out distancing income as a whole.

Turn out the lights.. the parties over. (for more and more people in the US all the time)

I see the media has done a great job instilling fear into the american sheeple.

there was a shiny display at the store.

GunsGoneWild :Oh crap

Some of you go ahead and laugh, first looter I see wearing a GFY hoodie gets his ass blown away.

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i plan on moving in with choker if things get rough

I will need people to move in with my setup. LOL. Seriously though I started this thread because I'm making a Survival website and was curious as to what people are investing their money in to hedge against the world going to shit. I'm still on the fence with gold and silver. I gotta write articles for this site and still I have no idea what one can invest in financially. Sure food ammo etc but those are for surviving in a Mad Max world. I"m looking for investment ideas to hedge against hyper inflation, things like that. I would think because hyper inflation would make fuel prices go thru the roof that in turn would affect the prices of just about everything. Question is what can you invest in NOW that would hedge that and if nothing happens still get your money back at the minimum.

Food? Maybe. Shelf life is a big issue. If nothing happens and food prices stay low in 4 years who would want to buy your dehydrated food supply? nobody

Solar cells? Maybe. Problem with those is that as they advance the price goes down. 5 years ago $10 per watt was great. Today $3 per watt is good.

See where I'm going with this?......................

Sell fear and information.

Works for religion, alex whats his name fans, and half of the population.

When you get a chance, try to find this show to watch. Well worth it.
http://tunedin.blogs.time.com/2009/0...ht-the-colony/

Black Friday 2011 ?:)

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