LOL, I think all I saw was the 13th

You don't think Barry should have a plan to lower the rate? He did spend a lot of money on it.

Whatever happened to the shovel ready jobs? What happened to the "summer of recovery?" (Last summer)

Which part do you want to place a bet on? The only quantifiable prediction I made is the percentage - that would do.

Don't know what we would bet exactly.

But, yes, I do think I'm relatively realistic. I am not however objective.

I want a teapublican presidency to punish the american people, so as to wake them up. That is not objectivity.

Bush and Obama was not enough punishment? :Oh crap

Oh right, we could bet on obama's re-election.

I hate that uncle tom, but sure, I would bet that he will be re-elected. Considering the clowns your side is putting up.

Please oh fuckin please let Perry be your guy - man that will be funny. America truly deserves Perry.

Maybe I'll have to buy some bitcoin for betting.

well these people spend all their money every month on all sorts of things. they aren't saving it or moving it offshore, etc. remove all that money out of the economy and it will hurt businesses.

You mean like the illegal aliens that send half their money or more to their families in Mexico with western union? Those people on welfare?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews
The Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency expects to deport about 400,000 people this fiscal year, nearly 10 percent above the Bush administration's 2008 total and 25 percent more than were deported in 2007. The pace of company audits has roughly quadrupled since President George W. Bush's final year in office.

I know they have stepped up, still not enough, they allow santuary cities, I know I live in one. And the welfare roles have made it ipossible to deport the anshor baby problems.

And the funny thing is I have no problem with the ones that work, just not many of those. See them all the time, because for most thats the best they can do. At the local Home Depot, they built the day laborers a building to hang out in. I doubt any of them that use it are legal.

Blaming the "TeA Baggers"

People that want to reduce government spending and stop the status quo of corrupt career politicians buying themselves into reelection with OUR MONEY...

Sure, the Democrats and the Republicans have been running up enormous debts over the last 40 years, and there has been no budget passed in almost 3 years....


......but lets blame 10 congressmen representing a loose group that has no actual structure and only showed up in the last 2 1/2 years....




.You guys are really buying the bullcrap.




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You are so right, I want hard right to win it all.

That's why over 60 percent of the american want cuts and taxes raised.THey had to power to vote for things so if they were there for one day they still had power. This is a teaparty down grade and it cost the citizens in this country over a trillion dollars in losses today.

It might be crazy but everyone that I have talked to are blaming the Republicans.

Both parties are to blame. You have to be insane to be blaming 12ish% of congress (mostly freshman) for the failed leadership of Obama and the Senate Majority leader. You needed zero % of their votes to get the bill, Obama wanted or a bill negotiated with gop leaders, passed.

Yeah Im insane, the first time ever a president wasnt given a clean one line raise the debt ceiling bill. It was held hostage by the tea party to cost the american citizens 1 trillion dollars today.

Did you agree when every single democrat voted NO to raise the debt ceiling in 2005 and in 2006? Were they holding America hostage then? Were they trying to destroy the United States then?

There is no way, other than a huge failure in leadership, that 10% of any party can hold the country "hostage". Put the blame where it lies, the leadership, Obama.

You seem to be spinning DNC talking points even harder than usual today. I guess the big government folks are feeling a little nervous as their swindle start to unravel.

I don't understand how illegal aliens get welfare. That shit doesn't fly here in Canada, not sure why the States put up with it.

Most of them don't. That they do is just a talking point. There are some that do, but in order for them to get it they have to have a child here in America. that child would then be a US citizen and they could then get welfare/food stamps for that kid. I'm not 100% sure how that works. It would seem to me that if you are here illegally that as soon as you applied they would catch you and deport you. I wonder if many of these people are using fake SSN's etc. There was a woman that worked with a friend of mine for 15 years who turned out to be illegal. She had a fake SSN and used it to join a union, buy a house, get a car and lived a normal life. She was in the US for 20 years that way before she got caught. Still without fake documents or a kid born here you can't just come into the country and start getting welfare.

You can get free healthcare at the ER and urgent care centers. You can also hit up the food banks. Many of them have a legal friend that rents a place and then many others live with them.

Happens here a lot, you don't have to show an ID to vote here either. Politicians are scum bags. Food assistance, Medicaid and welfare, they are a real drain on this country and when they do get money, they hit up the local western union and send to relatives in Mexico, it's a lose lose for the US to have them here.
The ones that have jobs are using false identity, you know, identity theft?

cost of an anchor baby, lets see $10,000 just an easy birth
then there are food programs, yes welfare, one county reported in cost and the article was pulled 2 days later from the internet site.
Extra bilingual teachers for the schools, anyone that's had a kid grow up in California, knows how fucked it is.

You have to remember how many sanctuary cites are in the US that allow this shit

ok, founds this, wasn't hard

WELFARE COSTS FOR CHILDREN OF ILLEGAL ALIENS IN L.A. COUNTY OVER $48 MILLION IN JUNE
August 11, 2009?Figures from the Department of Public Social Services show that children of illegal aliens in Los Angeles County collected nearly $22 million in welfare and over $26 million in food stamps in June, announced Los Angeles County Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich. Projected over a 12 month period ? this would exceed $575 million dollars.

Annually the cost of illegal immigration to Los Angeles County taxpayers exceeds over $1 billion dollars, which includes $350 million for public safety, $400 million for healthcare, and $500 million in welfare and food stamps allocations. Twenty-four percent of the County?s total allotment of welfare and food stamp benefits goes directly to the children of illegal aliens born in the United States.

?Illegal immigration continues to have a catastrophic impact on Los Angeles County taxpayers,? said Antonovich. ?The total cost for illegal immigrants to County taxpayers exceeds $1 billion a year ? not including the millions of dollars for education.?

http://antonovich.co.la.ca.us/Pages/...%20081109.html

Don't get me wrong I realize that they are a burden on the system. Like you said, add in all the extras that go along with it and it can be expensive.

I live in an area where we have a lot of migrant workers. If you go into any urgent care center around here chances are most of the people in there only speak Spanish. In my town the grade school now has two classes for each grade K-4. One of them is a normal class taught in English. The other is a split class where half is in English and half is in Spanish. So if the English only one fills up, your kid might get stuck in the half/half and be learning Spanish. That's not a terrible thing, but if your kid has trouble learning it could cause them just that much more problems.

My point was that it isn't as easy as some would make it out to be. You don't just walk across the border and walk into a welfare office and they hand you money and food stamps no matter who you are.

Republicans deserve the blame because they tied the debt ceiling with spending cuts and refused to budge on it, threatening to destroy the world economy just so they could get their way.

Obama deserves the blame because he wimped out and gave in to them yet again. He should have taken advantage of the 14th Amendment and raised the debt ceiling himself as soon as the republicans started stirring up this shit.

They both deserve the blame because the credit rating downgrade is now nothing to do with the debt ceiling. Instead is has everything to do with stupid childishness on both sides to settle what should have been a very simple issue. Both the Dems and the Gop's have embarrassed the US in the eyes of the world. These 2 bozoz owe the world over 14 Trillion dollars and they can't even work together to solve what should be a simple problem. Total fucking bullshit.

Obama is all brains, but no brawn. He should have put a choke hold on Boehner the minute he asked to have the Bush tax cuts extended.

You make the assumption that borrowing and wasting more money with no idea how to repay it was the right call. You are wrong.
The democrats know that simply raising taxes on the wealthy doesn't come close to paying down the debt. The only possibility is the hard one for democrats and that is trim entitlement spending. The easy one is cut down on military spending and that will happen.

So the Republicans didn't budge, but Obama did, and he's all brains. Those are your points, correct. Gee, I can't imagine why anyone would want to debate politics with you. It has nothing to do you being utterly clueless and retarded, I'm sure.

The S&P downgrade means shit really, aren't they the same jackasses the gave all those dodgy housing bonds a AAA rating just a few short years ago and helped create this mess in the first place?

Take a look at the USD against all the major currencies right now, money is flooding back as the big end of town still sees US Treasury Bond as a safe place to park money with the world markets in the mess they are.

The congressional approval rating is down to just 6%; its lowest in history. It is going to be damn near impossible for the Republicans to take the White House unless this figure improves.

The catch-22 for Republicans is that if the figure improves, that means the economy is improving..... which in turn highly raises the probability of an Obama re-election.

Actually, yes you can, those services are set up to make it easy and there are networks that teach the illegals how to make the best of it.

They have been saying it's improving for how long, how much would the unemployment rate have to improve so make Barry look good?

The 8 years Bush was president he really drove the USA into the ground and inside a hole it cannot get out of fast enough. And everyone knows this is true, thought republicans obviously will not admit it.

obama will be re-elected. he talks smooth.

the question is which tea party candidate will win 2016, when obamacare drives america off the cliff.

I guess it depends on the state. I know where I live it is easy to get food assistance from food banks and stuff like that, but getting housing assistance and welfare checks are not easy unless they have a kid that is an american citizen. California is likely a very different story.

Yes, yes,and yes.
S&P ratings in the big scheme of things mean very little to the general public. Sure, the money gamers are milking it. US Treasury Bonds keep investors sound to this day.

1) eliminate resource sucking illegals and their anchor babies.
[ 1 anchor baby starts a never ending chain of resource sucking legal offspring ]

2) eliminate the Rep created big biz tax breaks and subsidies and bring back the outsourced jobs

3) eliminate the Rep created tax gimmicks & loopholes

4) hold the big bank decision makers and the S&P decision makers responsible on a person-by-person basis for their decisions. (S&P endorsed and maintained the AAA credit rating for these theives)

5) build and maintain public gallows on the front lawn of the Whitehouse to be used by the popular vote and wishes of the citizens of the United States. Fuck Gallup polls, fuck ABC polls, listen to the people.

When you have to add "and everyone knows it", you're basically stating that the opposite is true and you're desperately trying to convince yourself.

:thumbsup Right on! You hit it 100% squarely on the head.

That Carter/Clinton "Community Reinvestment Act", IMO, gets most of the blame for our present mess:-(

What are the chances of a double dip recession?

The Republicans will gain from the downgrade as big business will be charging more for loans, etc.

You see a Republican leaning S&P has the power to lie and say things are AAA, when they are not, to push through junk bonds, like they did. Then they can say the U.S. is not AAA to drive the price of lending up and/or flex their muscle and show the Republican influence over the economy. Pretty powerful position to be in. Kind of like the Republican based Better Business Bureau , controlling the ratings of small business, and output of small business loans.

I love when people blame Bush, so tell me this, when does Obama's presidency start?

It started two years and 8 months ago...which is not enough time to correct the problems that were already present when he became President. In addition a President has little power domestically. It is the Congress that has domestic powers and the Congress has not done anything at all that has improved the problems the U.S. is facing...and in my opinion have made matters worse.

Until partisan politics is not the name of the game being played...there will be a consistent decline in the state of the nation...not improvement...end of story.

So the time that Obama didn't have to deal with Partisan politics, you know when the house and senate and executive branch all came under democrat control means nothing? kinda fucked up perspective if you ask me, they had their chance, they didn't fix the unemployment rate, well, it's fixed as in NOT MOVING.

Blaming the GOP after they couldn't do a fucking thing to improve things is pretty lame, but I could be wrong........................................LMAO

Stock market's wobbly. Short covers?