If it's "trolling" to you...then simply put me on IGNORE.

When was the last recession you can remember then, in all your time in the biz?

When I called you a clown? No, that was you. Perhaps you can quote this "insult" then, since I don't remember making one and this is the first time you've mentioned it.

How great a guy you are and how much money you have made in your life is simply not relevant to historical fact. And the historical fact, whether you flatly refuse to accept it or not, is that online piracy existed long before you made your first cent online.

And even though piracy continued for all the time you made your millions, and accounted for a greater proportion of online porn in the 90s than it does now, you believe it's only in the last two years - 'coincidentally' in the years of a gigantic recession - that it's started to have a drastic effect on sales?

Edit: BTW, non-argumentative question just out of curiosity, what is it you are (most) objecting to? Piracy or people money from piracy?

lol... did i do this... ps... Robbie put me on IGNORE... so looks like i win again

Pointless arguing with this troll.

He's clueless about porn or some fake nick trying to wind people up or paid to boost the post count on GFY.

Beware of no signature trolls. :thumbsup

I came I saw I made mad money for 10 years and then I was happy with the left overs there is little I haven't seen or done from just about every perceptive from this game.

I still believe I'm the only one who came out in front in a deal with Batts

Oh yeah I still probably make more than the guy starting this thread

The last 3 years have seen a dramatic fall in sales. Piracy is part of that fall.

The reason for the fall isn't just piracy or the recession, it's a combination of things.

For years online porn has taught surfers not to pay for porn. That lesson has been well and truly learned, older people are dying, getting less interested in porn, less able to pay, learning paying for porn is foolish. Men turning 18 are already well conditioned to not paying for anything except what's absolutely necessary online.

In the last 3-4 years speeds, BW pricing, hosting have fallen dramatically. It's now possible for a Tube site to offer 1,000s of videos and get it paid by adverting. Advertisers, that convert 1-100 or 1-500 on clicks from 100,000s of surfers. No one will provide accurate figures of what the ratios are on a Tube site of actual visitors to sales. They come up with BS excuses.

I have a thread asking about the changes coming. Here https://gfy.com/showthread.php?p=18357870#post18357870

This question Most of mainstream porn will be Free to sell ad space. Has 0 votes. Yet today it's probably true or obviously will be soon. Most sponsors spend more on BW for free surfers than members area. Is there more free porn available than paid porn? It's likely.

Then there's the question of card banging, cross sales, crappy sites, etc. Customers are pissed off with the way we deal with them. We think, and you, that they don't have options today and will come back after the economy improves. Shows the level of businessmen in online porn. Tubes are superior to members areas. In so many ways. Thinking they will return is a dream.

For 10 years we thought we had it made, we were the new kids on the block who were clever enough to understand how marketing porn online was done. Now the truth is hitting these guys like a hammer. At marketing online porn they're fucking clueless. At giving away free porn to get 1-500 in the good old days to 1-10,000 (approx numbers) today. To actually buy something they're bloody brilliant. Unmatched in fact.

There's another very important reason online porn sales are falling. And it's been obvious from early on.

While traffic increased, ratios got worse. From the very beginning this was apparent. Take into account our main income comes from N. America and Europe. The growth of new people from the regions we sell to, has slowed down. Nearly every one who wants to be online is now online in these regions. The worsening ratios were hidden by the growth of new people coming online supporting the worsening ratios. That growth has slowed down and no longer compensates for the loss of buyers.

Then the economy. Dreaming that the old buyers who can't afford to buy will in the future, will all come back. Is stupid business planning.

I have a very legitimate reason for moaning. It's me saying I told you so. For years I was telling them the content (product) wasn't good enough and they were wrong in making traffic their king. Now they know why.

Piracy is all that he can blame. While Robbie was giving away more free porn than most and skimming a few joins per 1,000. He was doing great. Now someone has out trafficked him and he's moaning about the fact that someone can get 100 times more traffic than he could. The skim has turned into a shave so thin it's transparent. But as they increased traffic by a factor of 100 and it costs 10% of what it used to. They don't care.

Robbie does.

Tubes are perfectly legal if they adhere to the DMCA law. It's a loop hole in the law. Plugging it will have little effect on this business.

Yes I maintained the ABBL list for many years here for the OAS.
So sad.

The worst part is to argue about this shit that seriously ...

Piracy is NOT to blame for this mess...

It is instead the programs who have not evolved. Expecting people to pay high prices for the same shit they've seen for the last 20 years.

That and they face that these programs approve anyone and everyone just so that they can get more links to their content.

Duh.

You could always sell tv shelves :2 cents:

Sigh sigh sigh.

Not sure why Paul Markham gets such a hard time here. Even if you don't agree with him (and I'd go along with pretty much everything in his last post), he at least is capable of thought-out, well-written arguments, has an opinion and seems to give half a shit.

when the steady flow of hookers and coke is no longer there to support you, you whine...

among other things...

New and Informative. Good read.

Ling long, ding dong, ching chong.

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Very well said and pretty much sums it up esp "Alcohol sales are up." The last thing to go even ahead of food is beer and/or alcohol.

HOWEVER, you are BOTH right this time. :)

This is also true. When money is truly tight, the vast majority, 99% are not going to be joining an adult membership site at $30 a month.

But tubes certainly play a way bigger role in hurting sales than the economy as they affect so many more people.

Putting porn online offered so many great opportunities, it was always going to be major competition to offline porn. The ability to cut out retail, go direct to customers, deliver to markets that previously weren't being satisfied properly (not in the sense many think of hitting areas. As porn if only softcore magazines were available but in the form of niches that weren't satisfied). The ability to change direction, adjust and direct the product to suit the customers needs and more. Later as BW got cheaper and speeds increased, live 1-1, live porn and so much more.

What do we see today?

Sites concentrating on the image quality, churning out the same old scenes porn was churning out 20 years ago. And the flag ship of Manwin is just plain old porn valley porn, without the story line. Even though everyone screams that online porn was setting new standards, meeting needs better and the rest of the BS. It ended up churning out a product that except for HD and shaven genitals, could of been shot in 1990.

Webcams were a development of live phone sex and 1-1 booths in sex shops. Dating, I was a member of a singles club in the 80s. ExGF, loads of magazines had a "Readers Wives" section. There were magazines dedicated to Readers Wives type content where readers would send in photos. I was shooting this stuff in the 1970s.

The only thing online porn did that was ground breaking and something offline porn never did was? Well we all know the answer to that. What are 99.99% of our consumers getting off on?

Because I dare to say the truth. Read the above.

Most of these guys who flame me are capable of being sheep. There are a few rams that lead them to the pen and the rest follow the one in front of them blindly.

I think Paul has more time on his hands than most people.

100 replies with 80% of the content coming from Paul.

I see you're on a roll here 3 in a row? WOW :1orglaugh:thumbsup sorry make that 4 .........