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12clicks 08-25-2011 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by kane (Post 18379907)
Just for the record it isn't just the lefties that collect welfare/foodstamps and wait for the government to help them.

I grew up in a small redneck, conservative town. The towns motto might as well have been guns, god and country. It was a logging town. When I was around 12-13 some shit hit the fan and there was a dispute over the legality of logging this one area. That led to all three of the mills scaling way back. They went from working 24/7 to working one shift 5 days per week. Unemployment was through the roof in the town. I would guess that the town had at least a 25% unemployment rate because of that situation. After the first court case there was no end in sight and the mills were told that the this particular piece of land would be held up in court for years. So they had to go out and get other land to log. This would take time and money.

So did the right wingers just pick themselves up, dust themselves off and go get new jobs? Hell no! They drew unemployment and got food stamps. When that ran out many of them went on welfare and got Section 8 housing. They decided they were going to wait until the government fixed the problem with the logging area instead of getting new jobs.

That piece of land never did open back up but over the next few years the mills started buying and opening up new land so some people eventually got their jobs back, but I grew up with a handful of people who grew up on welfare and their family had no intention of ever coming off of it because they felt it was the government's fault that they lost their job. All the while they screamed about the government staying out of their lives and leaving them alone.
growing up, you had no idea how the adults voted or knew whether they were conservative or liberal.
nice story though.

seeandsee 08-25-2011 11:31 AM
can i get food stamps if i go illegal in usa?

halfpint 08-25-2011 11:47 AM
Holy crap this is scary , this sounds exactly like the UK and not the US

kane 08-25-2011 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18379959)
growing up, you had no idea how the adults voted or knew whether they were conservative or liberal.
nice story though.
You're right. Because half (well not literally,but a large amount) the vehicles in town were pickup trucks with shotguns in the gun rack and that you couldn't go anywhere without seeing an endless sea of Reagan bumper stickers and the town had 2,000 people in it and had 14 churches screams liberal. Never mind the fact that I lived in that town form the time I was seven until I was 21 so I had a pretty good grasp of what it was like when I was a little older and it hadn't changed at all during that time.

My state in general is very liberal, but it has pockets that are very conservative and I grew up in one of those pockets. You never set foot in the town and while you are a powerful and handsome man, I can assure you I know a little more about its political leanings than you do.

All I am pointing out is that there are white trash republicans out there who live off the system, but have it in their heads that what they are doing is fine for one reason or another. I grew up around a good number of them.

shimmy2 08-25-2011 05:03 PM
i used to buy big 50lb sacks of jasmine rice at this chinatown asian grocery store because it was cheaper there and they had the good thai milagrosa rice. anyway. in checkout lines nearly 100% of the 100% asian customers paid with ebt. buying pallets of rice, soya sauce etc. I would assume they have restaurants or whatnot and use food stamps to buy their food. These same said asians have credit cards, paypal cards, and whatnot in their wallets next to their food stamp card. business as usual. so if you think its just shaneequa loading up her cart with ribs and lunchables off the food stamp program think again.

kane 08-25-2011 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by shimmy2 (Post 18380613)
i used to buy big 50lb sacks of jasmine rice at this chinatown asian grocery store because it was cheaper there and they had the good thai milagrosa rice. anyway. in checkout lines nearly 100% of the 100% asian customers paid with ebt. buying pallets of rice, soya sauce etc. I would assume they have restaurants or whatnot and use food stamps to buy their food. These same said asians have credit cards, paypal cards, and whatnot in their wallets next to their food stamp card. business as usual. so if you think its just shaneequa loading up her cart with ribs and lunchables off the food stamp program think again.
When I was in high school I worked at a grocery store. There were a few people that would come in and buy around $500+ in groceries pay with food stamps then load those groceries in the $40,000 trucks and SUV's. I didn't really know them so I don't know what their situation was, but the face of food stamps in this country is not just a bunch of scamming black people, there are people of all races and walks of life using them.

garce 08-25-2011 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by geoGUERILLA (Post 18379407)
China could use their own bodies as a bridge over here and anniliate us.
Chinese people don't float.

porno jew 08-25-2011 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by kane (Post 18380625)
When I was in high school I worked at a grocery store. There were a few people that would come in and buy around $500+ in groceries pay with food stamps then load those groceries in the $40,000 trucks and SUV's. I didn't really know them so I don't know what their situation was, but the face of food stamps in this country is not just a bunch of scamming black people, there are people of all races and walks of life using them.
thank you for not referring to just mythological rich black people on welfare and broadening your perspective to including mythological rich white people on welfare. very perceptive.

kane 08-25-2011 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18380692)
thank you for not referring to just mythological rich black people on welfare and broadening your perspective to including mythological rich white people on welfare. very perceptive.
I never said they were rich. Here is my take. Two people get married, have a couple of kids, buy a house that is too expensive, buy a couple of cars they can barely afford and tread water. So long as they are working everything is fine. Mom stays home with the kids and dad works and they live the idealistic middle class life and are up to their eyes in debt. Then one day dad gets laid off. They still have the cars, but likely are not making the payments. They get just enough on unemployment to pay a few bills and keep themselves afloat so they get food stamps. If he gets another job things will be fine, but if not eventually they will lose the cars and likely the house and have to move and start over. Meanwhile they come to the store, buy $400 worth of groceries on food stamps and load them into their $40,000 SUV that is weeks from being repo'd.

Also, part of the reason you see illegals with very nice cars and using food stamps is that if they get deported they can take the car with them so they spend their money on cars and jewelry and cars and things they can either give to friends and family, take with them or have shipped to them.

B.Barnato 08-25-2011 06:46 PM
Congrats to the winners.

scubadiver626 08-25-2011 11:14 PM
Marketwatch poll stated rich people still feel insecure and wanted to earn on average 45% more. There were actually people earning millions a year, saying its not enough. Perception of real poverty is certainly relative. I feel sorry for poor Mr and Mrs America, and fear it will only get worse.

kane 08-25-2011 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by scubadiver626 (Post 18381079)
Marketwatch poll stated rich people still feel insecure and wanted to earn on average 45% more. There were actually people earning millions a year, saying its not enough. Perception of real poverty is certainly relative. I feel sorry for poor Mr and Mrs America, and fear it will only get worse.
There was a story on some news show like 60 minutes several months back about a guy in Florida who used to be a hedge fund guy. He made a lot of money, has a very nice house, some nice cars he belongs to a country club the whole bit. He made millions and lived like it. Then the recession hit, he found himself out of of work and it turns out he was in debt up to his eyes. The cars had been repo'd the house was in foreclosure and he was working as a delivery driver for Dominoes so they could pay the utility bills and put food on the table.

Had been smart with his money and bought a smaller house that he paid cash for and lived a little less extravagant he would be fine. He even admitted when he was making 30K per year he spent every time. When he was making $1 million per year he still spent every dime. Just because someone lives big doesn't mean they aren't teetering on the edge of losing it all.

Sid70 08-26-2011 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 18379929)
Food coupons in the USSR were free.
Wrong.

Unless it was like this in Moscow.

Here, nothing was for free within a time period you mentioned.

12clicks 08-26-2011 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by scubadiver626 (Post 18381079)
Marketwatch poll stated rich people still feel insecure and wanted to earn on average 45% more. There were actually people earning millions a year, saying its not enough. Perception of real poverty is certainly relative. I feel sorry for poor Mr and Mrs America, and fear it will only get worse.
drive and determination differentiate the successful from the unsuccessful more often than not.

Barry-xlovecam 08-26-2011 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 18379516)
I read one single mom get a whole 210 welfare. She cant find a job it must be living that good life on 210 a month. People have to stop listening to rightwing bullshit.
They need a scapegoat ...

With the high cost of meat today caused by the rising cost of feedstocks I am not suprised at the need ...

Use sawgrass instead of corn for ethanol fuel production ? this will lower food costs world wide, create greater alternative fuel availably further reducing subsidies paid the corn ethanol producing cartels that suck up taxpayer dollars.

Read up on who in Congress is the corn ethanol refiners best friends ...

Cherry7 08-26-2011 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18381584)
drive and determination differentiate the successful from the unsuccessful more often than not.
Is that is why American society is homogeneous with all races and classes having equal wealth and power?

Sadly, here in the UK wealth buys you power, 7% of gen pop go to private schools, resulting in 60% of the government being privately educated.

Bottom 50% US pop owns 2% US wealth.

just a punk 08-26-2011 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 18381562)
Wrong.

Unless it was like this in Moscow.

Here, nothing was for free within a time period you mentioned.
I have no idea about Poland, but in my city (1500 km away from Moscow) the food stamps were free for every family member. I still remember those times.

Elli 08-26-2011 01:33 PM
Regarding the people buying in bulk:
Shop at the local Chinese or Indian store here and you'll find 20lb bag of rice for $30. Go to Safeway and find the a 1lb bag of the same rice for $6. When you have 15 people in your family, it doesn't take much brain power to figure out how to make your dollars stretch farther. Same goes for any staple like flour, sugar, beans, etc.

Sly 08-26-2011 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 18379405)
you think most people really want to live in poverty? some do and some do other things under the table. :2 cents:
I don't think anyone *wants* to live in poverty. Whether or not they are willing to do something about it, is another story completely.

_Richard_ 08-26-2011 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18379760)
yeah, its probably because that insane right wing goes out and finds another job when they get laid off that gives them the audacity to expect others to do the same.:1orglaugh
so there is no unemployed right wingers?

12clicks 08-26-2011 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Cherry7 (Post 18382219)
Is that is why American society is homogeneous with all races and classes having equal wealth and power?

Sadly, here in the UK wealth buys you power, 7% of gen pop go to private schools, resulting in 60% of the government being privately educated.

Bottom 50% US pop owns 2% US wealth.
Sounds like you at the bottom should work harder and stop making excuses.

zuffa 08-26-2011 05:30 PM
So I was at meeting this morning in Charlotte NC. In attendance were the owners of numerous manufacturing companies. In NC alone three of these companies have a combined, 134 open manufacturing positions. The pay starts at $57,000 / year + benefits. The requirement is a high school education and a clean drug test.

They haven't been able to fill the positions for months.

There may be multiple issues economically .... But we have become a slothful, fed-dependent people.

PornMD 08-26-2011 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 18379565)
I love charts with data that ends a decade ago.

TheSquealer 08-26-2011 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18382435)
Sounds like you at the bottom should work harder and stop making excuses.
That's not really how it works.

Plenty of people are on the bottom and working hard.

They are just not bitching about it and blaming others as they work and save and build lives for themselves.

You see, mexicans, vietnamese, chinese, indians et al.. NEVER make excuses. I never hear these people relying on racism as a crutch or blaming anyone for anything. They just work and build and work and build. They are not bitching about "fair", about "equality" , about "rights" about the need to unionize or anything else. They, as a general rule tend to just quietly work, save, build and make money and live their lives.

It's the whites and blacks of America that have such a tough time doing those things. It's the locals that have lost perspective and that sense of self reliance.

:2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

kane 08-26-2011 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by zuffa (Post 18382844)
So I was at meeting this morning in Charlotte NC. In attendance were the owners of numerous manufacturing companies. In NC alone three of these companies have a combined, 134 open manufacturing positions. The pay starts at $57,000 / year + benefits. The requirement is a high school education and a clean drug test.

They haven't been able to fill the positions for months.

There may be multiple issues economically .... But we have become a slothful, fed-dependent people.
Somehow I would imagine that those positions take more than just a high school diploma and a clean drug test. Likely they want some kind of experience in that field. Or perhaps unemployment is very very low there. Most places a diploma and a clean drug test will get you a minimum wage job so I have a feeling there is more to the story.

Rochard 08-26-2011 10:22 PM
Simple solution - make welfare a "two year" thing. Welfare is supposed to support you for a short period of time, not support you for years on end. Just like unemployment - You can collect for a period of time, after that, your on your own.

If you've already collected for more than two years, your done.

kane 08-26-2011 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 18383110)
Simple solution - make welfare a "two year" thing. Welfare is supposed to support you for a short period of time, not support you for years on end. Just like unemployment - You can collect for a period of time, after that, your on your own.

If you've already collected for more than two years, your done.
I've often thought this is would be a good idea. You get 2 years. That is enough time to figure out how to get a job, a babysitter or whatever it is you need in order to get back to work and support yourself. I would even agree that if you were going to school to learn how to do something that would allow you to get a good job then extend it for up to 2 more years, but after that you are done.

I have a friend who has a sister who is on welfare. After sitting on the waiting list for 4 years she was accepted into section 8. They told her two bedroom apartment or house would only cost her about $100 per month in rent and the government would pay the rest. The stipulation was she had to have at least a part time job in order to accept it. She decided that "working wasn't for her" so she turned it down.

She is likely going to be one of those people who raises her daughter in the system then the daughter gets knocked up young and joins the system etc.

Cherry7 08-27-2011 01:42 AM
It is true that new immigrants work harder, if you moved to a country where wages were two or three times higher, you would work harder too.

I did some work in the States and we got paid twice as much as in the UK, then they wanted us to work a little longer and paid us even more...

We did not complain, we were as happy as pigs in shit... but if we had stayed and started to live in the US, this would be normal and we would expect to live as others.

Of course Poles in Britain work harder, they get ten times the wage as in Poland, but their children, will want to live a normal live with normal career.

So if working harder gets you to the top will the UK be run by Poles in 20 years? NO the people who will run the UK in 20 years are at Eton the elite private school for the rich.

A few Poles may make it rich, but money stays in the hands of the rich. Thats the class system.

marlboroack 08-27-2011 02:26 AM
I talked to a crack head once that used her food stamps in exchange for drugs monthly. Insane shit America is, I can only imagine Americas true power.

TheSquealer 08-27-2011 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Cherry7 (Post 18383233)
It is true that new immigrants work harder, if you moved to a country where wages were two or three times higher, you would work harder too.
That's absolute BS. Pay has no connection with life plans, life goals, work ethic, determination, pride, good upbringing and so on. People don't immigrate to the USA and suddenly have no bills, no cost of living etc. Wages are relative to cost of living expenses. Just because you come from Vietnam to work in the USA doesn't mean you get to live and eat for free and get clothes, gas, car etc for free.

These are the kinds of arguments that one who has never ran a business or managed people would make. Either people want it or they don't.

According to you, no one in McDonalds works hard. Hmmm... I never noticed that. I always assumed they just hired well, trained people well and managed well. Silly me.

Either people want it or they don't. 3rd, 4th, 5th generation Americans in general, don't want it anymore.

PornoMonster 08-27-2011 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 18383484)
That's absolute BS. Pay has no connection with life plans, life goals, work ethic, determination, pride, good upbringing and so on. People don't immigrate to the USA and suddenly have no bills, no cost of living etc. Wages are relative to cost of living expenses. Just because you come from Vietnam to work in the USA doesn't mean you get to live and eat for free and get clothes, gas, car etc for free.

These are the kinds of arguments that one who has never ran a business or managed people would make. Either people want it or they don't.

According to you, no one in McDonalds works hard. Hmmm... I never noticed that. I always assumed they just hired well, trained people well and managed well. Silly me.

Either people want it or they don't. 3rd, 4th, 5th generation Americans in general, don't want it anymore.
Exactly, I know cam girls that made $100 an hour take home. They worked long enough to pay the rent and buy some drugs. Sometimes that was only a few hours a week, and you would not see them again untill more bills came up.

CaptainHowdy 08-27-2011 08:45 AM
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Cherry7 08-27-2011 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 18383484)
That's absolute BS. Pay has no connection with life plans, life goals, work ethic, determination, pride, good upbringing and so on. People don't immigrate to the USA and suddenly have no bills, no cost of living etc. Wages are relative to cost of living expenses. Just because you come from Vietnam to work in the USA doesn't mean you get to live and eat for free and get clothes, gas, car etc for free.

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If the cost and income were the same why would they move? The US has a higher standard of living because the earnings are higher and the costs lower.

The cost of living in Poland is half of the UK but wages a 1/5 of UK wages. So Poles in Britain can earn at least twice what they can in Poland, plus the much higher unemployment in Poland.

The Poles have a reputation as working hard, but before in Poland exactly the opposite as lazy and poor workers.

The UK has had wave after wave of immigration from the West Indies, from India and now from Eastern Europe, but after the first generation the shine wears off.

The real shock about US society is the shocking fact that 42% of the wealth goes to only 1% of the pop, and a whopping 94% to the top 20%, that means the bottom 80% of society are living of the crumbs of 6% of the nations wealth.

kane 08-27-2011 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Cherry7 (Post 18383628)
If the cost and income were the same why would they move? The US has a higher standard of living because the earnings are higher and the costs lower.

The cost of living in Poland is half of the UK but wages a 1/5 of UK wages. So Poles in Britain can earn at least twice what they can in Poland, plus the much higher unemployment in Poland.

The Poles have a reputation as working hard, but before in Poland exactly the opposite as lazy and poor workers.

The UK has had wave after wave of immigration from the West Indies, from India and now from Eastern Europe, but after the first generation the shine wears off.

The real shock about US society is the shocking fact that 42% of the wealth goes to only 1% of the pop, and a whopping 94% to the top 20%, that means the bottom 80% of society are living of the crumbs of 6% of the nations wealth.
Some people move here simply because they can live a happier life. I used to work with a guy who was from Romania. He used to be in the Romanian national symphony and was a very good drummer. He didn't make much money, but because of his job the government gave him a nice place to live and he lived a decent life. However, he wanted his son to have the chance to do whatever he wanted and he wanted. He said his standard of living here wasn't much better than it was in Romania, but the freedoms he enjoyed and the potential his son had here were a lot better.

Cherry7 08-27-2011 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by kane (Post 18383681)
Some people move here simply because they can live a happier life. I used to work with a guy who was from Romania. He used to be in the Romanian national symphony and was a very good drummer. He didn't make much money, but because of his job the government gave him a nice place to live and he lived a decent life. However, he wanted his son to have the chance to do whatever he wanted and he wanted. He said his standard of living here wasn't much better than it was in Romania, but the freedoms he enjoyed and the potential his son had here were a lot better.
He most have been very rich in Romania, I find the standard of living better in the US than the UK. Eastern Europe can be very hard for a lot of people.

Other than wealth I would love to live in California for the weather and amazing countryside.

TheSquealer 08-27-2011 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Cherry7 (Post 18383628)
If the cost and income were the same why would they move? The US has a higher standard of living because the earnings are higher and the costs lower.
The discussion is not about comparing nations, standards of living and average incomes and cost of living. Each nation, its culture, its population and its economics are different. My point, which completely escaped you was the simple fact that people move here to typically to produce, save, grow and build and do so without complaint. Their cost of living as they do so here, is no different than it is for any other American who is complaining.

The discussion here is about the simply fact that people in THIS nation are lazy fucks who have an ever growing sense of entitlement that is increasingly both slowing down the economy and draining the government.

shimmy2 08-27-2011 11:50 AM
don't exclude the fact that immigrants get a squeaky clean credit score/fico with their fresh SSN#. my exwife was buying up all sorts of shit on credit for years and never had a job in the US. it's something that most lifelong US residents can't attain

woj 08-27-2011 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by shimmy2 (Post 18383830)
don't exclude the fact that immigrants get a squeaky clean credit score/fico with their fresh SSN#. my exwife was buying up all sorts of shit on credit for years and never had a job in the US. it's something that most lifelong US residents can't attain
Come on, can't attain what? a good credit score? seriously? Getting good credit score isn't exactly hard, you just need to... wait for it... *drum roll*... pay your bills on time...
how hard can it be?

kane 08-27-2011 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Cherry7 (Post 18383788)
He most have been very rich in Romania, I find the standard of living better in the US than the UK. Eastern Europe can be very hard for a lot of people.

Other than wealth I would love to live in California for the weather and amazing countryside.
He wasn't rich, but because of his job the government gave him a lot of stuff that made his life better than it likely would have been had he just been a normal guy with a normal job. He said that he had a four bedroom house and a car, but the car was a basic sedan family car. He said that with the money he earned plus what he got from the government they lived what we would consider a pretty typical middle class life.

The standard of living in the US is higher, he said as much, but he didn't move here to get rich or start a business. He just wanted his son to have the ability to choose his path in life and do whatever he wanted and the US offered him that ability.

kane 08-27-2011 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by woj (Post 18383846)
Come on, can't attain what? a good credit score? seriously? Getting good credit score isn't exactly hard, you just need to... wait for it... *drum roll*... pay your bills on time...
how hard can it be?
Credit these days is easy to get. . . or at least it was before the recession it is likely a little harder now. One of my best friends works as a paralegal for a lawyer who specializes in bankruptcy. She says that they get a ton of clients that have massive debt: cars, luxury vacations, clothes, electronics, jewelry and they don't have anywhere near the income to pay for it. They declare bankruptcy and within a year of the bankruptcy they are starting to get offers to get credit again. The creditors figure that these people can't declare bankruptcy again for another seven years so they offer them credit.

If you are young you get inundated with credit. My nephew just graduated high school a few months back and turned 18 about a month ago. He has never held a job and not a day goes by that he doesn't get some kind of offer in the mail from people wanting to give him a credit card or a loan.


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