Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy (Post 18383886)

The more you write - the more things don't change, guys ....

Originally Posted by Cherry7 (Post 18383233)

It is true that new immigrants work harder, if you moved to a country where wages were two or three times higher, you would work harder too.

I did some work in the States and we got paid twice as much as in the UK, then they wanted us to work a little longer and paid us even more...

We did not complain, we were as happy as pigs in shit... but if we had stayed and started to live in the US, this would be normal and we would expect to live as others.

Of course Poles in Britain work harder, they get ten times the wage as in Poland, but their children, will want to live a normal live with normal career.

So if working harder gets you to the top will the UK be run by Poles in 20 years? NO the people who will run the UK in 20 years are at Eton the elite private school for the rich.

A few Poles may make it rich, but money stays in the hands of the rich. Thats the class system.

Originally Posted by kane (Post 18383883)

Credit these days is easy to get. . . or at least it was before the recession it is likely a little harder now. One of my best friends works as a paralegal for a lawyer who specializes in bankruptcy. She says that they get a ton of clients that have massive debt: cars, luxury vacations, clothes, electronics, jewelry and they don't have anywhere near the income to pay for it. They declare bankruptcy and within a year of the bankruptcy they are starting to get offers to get credit again. The creditors figure that these people can't declare bankruptcy again for another seven years so they offer them credit.

If you are young you get inundated with credit. My nephew just graduated high school a few months back and turned 18 about a month ago. He has never held a job and not a day goes by that he doesn't get some kind of offer in the mail from people wanting to give him a credit card or a loan.

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18386958)

yet you had the chance to leave and do better and didn't.

one excuse is much like any other.

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18386963)

so what?
your nephew is also offered drugs, alcohol, gay sex, etc. etc.
being offered a thing is not free license to abuse it.
you're not really blaming creditors for borrowers' bad decisions, are you?

Originally Posted by kane (Post 18387479)

No. I was responding to someone who said that immigrants have an advantage because when they come to this country they get a clean slate as far as credit rating goes so they have an easier time getting credit. I was simply pointing out that credit is pretty easy to get for everyone who wants it.

Originally Posted by Cherry7 (Post 18383628)

The real shock about US society is the shocking fact that 42% of the wealth goes to only 1% of the pop, and a whopping 94% to the top 20%, that means the bottom 80% of society are living of the crumbs of 6% of the nations wealth.

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18387509)

no, actually what it means if you cared for the facts is that its easy to become successful in America.
Very little of our wealth is generational which means that our bottom has a better chance to become our top than any other country, most especially the UK.

Originally Posted by Cherry7 (Post 18388692)

In 2005, The Economist wrote that

evidence from social scientists suggests that American society is much "stickier" than most Americans assume. Some researchers claim that social mobility is actually declining. A CAP study of 2006 found that:
By international standards, the United States has an unusually low level of intergenerational mobility? Among high-income countries for which comparable estimates are available, only the United Kingdom had a lower rate of mobility than the United States.

As usual the facts are in conflict with your views.

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 18379501)

We've been running job ads in the USA for a while, the applicants we get are poorly prepared for telephone interviews, sloppy with presentation of CV', some cannot even construct sentences and those we have hired thus far have been relatively lazy. Compared to our Filipino staff most of them cannot compete. Which is an indictment on the US education system.

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18388990)

I see there's no link to your so called facts. typical of you.
and I'm sorry, here in America, we don't take the *claim* of *some* as fact.

1.what did the college drop out bill gates' father do?
2. warren buffet's father had a net worth of what?
3. what was the college drop out sheldon adelson's first job?
4. Larry Ellison (the college drop out) was born to a 19 year old unwed mother
5. Paul Allen's dad was a librarian

seems none of the top 5 richest Americans fit your lie.
oh well, realizing anyone can succeed in this world and understanding you haven't is a bitter pill (I hear) but keep telling yourself whatever keeps the finger pointed at someone else.

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18388990)

I see there's no link to your so called facts. typical of you.
and I'm sorry, here in America, we don't take the *claim* of *some* as fact.

1.what did the college drop out bill gates' father do?
2. warren buffet's father had a net worth of what?
3. what was the college drop out sheldon adelson's first job?
4. Larry Ellison (the college drop out) was born to a 19 year old unwed mother
5. Paul Allen's dad was a librarian

seems none of the top 5 richest Americans fit your lie.
oh well, realizing anyone can succeed in this world and understanding you haven't is a bitter pill (I hear) but keep telling yourself whatever keeps the finger pointed at someone else.

Originally Posted by Elli (Post 18389223)

A few notable exceptions do not make a rule.

Originally Posted by Cherry7 (Post 18389278)

You can search " social mobility USA " and find out for yourself. If that is too difficult Wikipedia will confirm.