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Tempest 08-30-2011 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by mountainmiester (Post 18389373)
Perhaps you can post a link to the "Fair Use Provision" as I cannot find where there is any such law or "Provision" existing in law. While you are at it, perhaps you can show me a link to where any notion of this "fair use" supersedes a legally binding ToS?

As far as I remember from my days at Gonzoga Law School, it is strictly a term that was used in Sony's defense against their Universal/Disney suit back in the 80's. It is not a legal precedent.
Read the thread. I posted it.

Far-L 08-30-2011 04:00 PM
Take-aways from this thread:

1. Program owners need to treat affiliates better because they are there to help make more money.

2. Affiliates need to respect program rules and clarify terms when necessary or get special considerations in writing first.

3. Will76 is reborn as the champion of the downtrodden and disgusted.

4. When pissing matches start it is wise to stay upwind lest you get wet.

:2 cents::2 cents::winkwink:

StinkyPink 08-30-2011 06:00 PM
Well, the new TOS is nuice I guess. Deleted my 4 ITC posts as they were still in violation. I will still promote ITC with banners and FHG's but as far as using them on my blogs, fuck it. I tried dropping some knowledge but in the end you own the content.

At least the TOS states the details now. Mission accomplished???

12clicks 08-30-2011 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Far-L (Post 18390327)
Take-aways from this thread:

1. Program owners need to treat affiliates better because they are there to help make more money.

2. Affiliates need to respect program rules and clarify terms when necessary or get special considerations in writing first.

3. Will76 is reborn as the champion of the downtrodden and disgusted.

4. When pissing matches start it is wise to stay upwind lest you get wet.

:2 cents::2 cents::winkwink:
You missed the subliminal message of me needing to play poker with your girl again

epitome 08-30-2011 06:20 PM
Edit: nm, read something wrong

epitome 08-30-2011 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Far-L (Post 18390327)

2. Affiliates need to respect program rules and clarify terms when necessary or get special considerations in writing first.
That's actually a very easy thing to do, but I doubt most do it. I like to do some different things with content and always ask first. For the most part the answer is always yes you can, and if it's not, no hard feelings either way. They do appreciate the contact though and who knows, they may make a note of it so if another employee comes across one of my sites they'll know that it's an approved use. If they don't know that, I can forward the email or ICQ conversation I had since both are archived by me forever.

will76 08-30-2011 07:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Far-L (Post 18390327)
Take-aways from this thread:

1. Program owners need to treat affiliates better because they are there to help make more money.

2. Affiliates need to respect program rules and clarify terms when necessary or get special considerations in writing first.

3. Will76 is reborn as the champion of the downtrodden and disgusted.

4. When pissing matches start it is wise to stay upwind lest you get wet.

:2 cents::2 cents::winkwink:
Here is what I take from this thread:

1. If you are in this business 100% to make money it is sometimes hard to deal with people who's primary reason for being in this industry is because of their "passion" or "lifestyle".

2. Photographers typically don't make good affiliate program owners as they have no clue how affiliates work, or even how to work with them.

3. Some times being anal over little things can cost you 10x more money in the long run.

4. That guy Will76 is an asshole.

5. You post on GFY you will get hate mail. That's right I got my first insulting email in 8+ years being here, from an anon person because of this thread. How sad is that, that people have to take the time to make a fake email address and send you insults and they are too pussy to stand behind their words.

The Heron 08-30-2011 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by looky_lou (Post 18382903)
Just be careful not to put too much time and effort into making promos for InTheCrack that violate their TOS.
Is it just me or is that statement funny?
Last I looked TOS are supposed to be followed so yea if I plan on breaking them I'm not going to spend much time doing it hahaha

Far-L 08-30-2011 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18390624)
You missed the subliminal message of me needing to play poker with your girl again
No. I saw it but pretended to ignore it because when the moon is full I still have to chain her down to prevent her from shapeshifting into the she-wolf and howling for you... :winkwink:

Damn you and your cross selling!

Next time I am betting on black...

Far-L 08-30-2011 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by epitome (Post 18390638)
That's actually a very easy thing to do, but I doubt most do it. I like to do some different things with content and always ask first. For the most part the answer is always yes you can, and if it's not, no hard feelings either way. They do appreciate the contact though and who knows, they may make a note of it so if another employee comes across one of my sites they'll know that it's an approved use. If they don't know that, I can forward the email or ICQ conversation I had since both are archived by me forever.
Not going to lie. Speaking as a program owner the world needs more affiliates that think like that. Affiliates need to stand in program owner shoes and owners need to feel what it is like to be an affiliate.

Some of the best programs out there were started by the "whale" affiliates of days gone by. They do know how to make affiliates happy. But not all progs come from that background and that doesn't necessarily make them bad progs. Obviously, ITC has a good product and sells well in its niche and should by all accounts be good to work with... however one mismanaged aff rep that treats an affiliate like crap can really screw stuff up and bring a fiery shitstorm of hate on the program - and owners have to take responsibility for that.

Affiliates need to realize that programs do their best to accommodate everyone but let's face it, there are those that expect the world but have never sent a sale and probably never will so it is hard for proggies to bend over backwards for them. Unfortunately, those are the ones that make the most noise and cause the most stress because they bring their problems to places like GFY and get all jihad on the program. So programs spend inordinate time and resources to quell those strident bomb throwing burn the house down anarchist affiliates...

But the best thing would be to do what you do - actually communicate and work together for the best possible outcome.

And that is not just the Deadhead hippie in me saying that but the pragmatist businessman too...

Jel 08-31-2011 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by epitome (Post 18390638)
That's actually a very easy thing to do, but I doubt most do it. I like to do some different things with content and always ask first. For the most part the answer is always yes you can, and if it's not, no hard feelings either way. They do appreciate the contact though and who knows, they may make a note of it so if another employee comes across one of my sites they'll know that it's an approved use. If they don't know that, I can forward the email or ICQ conversation I had since both are archived by me forever.
+1. Also useful if a program changes hands :thumbsup

babydred 08-31-2011 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by inthecrack (Post 18390006)
The TOS has now been updated as follows...

Any content taken from our affiliate content page for promotional use may NOT be altered in any way other than to make thumbnails or modified images to fit your format. A thumbnail is defined as an image less than 400 pixels on the long side. An image that is 400 pixels or more on the long side will be considered a modified image and MUST have our provided watermark on it. Any thumbnail or modified image MUST link directly to the corresponding full size unaltered picture or gallery. You may NOT remove or alter the copyright information from our full size pictures. You may NOT crop, alter size or further compress the full size pictures.
:thumbsup SHWEET! 399px (on the long side) here I come...lol

looky_lou 12-10-2012 01:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by epitome (Post 18390638)
That's actually a very easy thing to do, but I doubt most do it. I like to do some different things with content and always ask first. For the most part the answer is always yes you can, and if it's not, no hard feelings either way. They do appreciate the contact though and who knows, they may make a note of it so if another employee comes across one of my sites they'll know that it's an approved use. If they don't know that, I can forward the email or ICQ conversation I had since both are archived by me forever.
Good point. :thumbsup


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