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You are mixing Karl Marx and Thomas More.

Of course Marx and Engels wrote about comunism.

1. Manifest of comunism party
2. Utopian comunism VS scientific comunism

I have the feeling Capitalism isn't working for you. Being a loser under Capitalism or Communism isn't going to help you.

As for your knowledge of history, well that's a bad scar on your teachers.

After the Russian Revolution millions died of starvation and disease. That would of lived under the Czar. Under the Communist the country was bankrupt. Under Capitalism it's becoming a power house financially.

When Mao took over China he too killed millions by starving them, the Chinese Industry such as it was, was devastated. It was Capitalism that saved the country.

Yes things were cheap in Communist countries. That's because only party officials and Mafia had much money. The rest of the people were living on very very little.

You should of come here to Czech and seen what it was like in 1998. Ten years after the revolution it was still pretty poor. Today it's a totally different country, because of Capitalism.

Anyway keep dreaming you will make it under Communism, as you clearly failed under Capitalism.

more than 6 mistakes in 4 lines, not bad....

I have actually read the books you can't even get the titles right.

Are you speaking from experience ? No just what you have been told. You just believe what you read in the tabloids. As you have said many times your distrust for books.

So you would support the Czar and the continuation of the first WW on the Eastern front?

Well the Russian people refused and first put a social democrat in power and when he wanted to continue the war they put the Bolsheviks in power. This was not done by the communists, the Czar and the western powers in their war of colonies brought the system to a state of total collapse.

Then the western powers supported a civil war against the new workers' state.

So you can chalk those deaths up to capitalism, and add to it all the deaths in the 3rd world do to Imperialism from Ireland to China.

Then the wars in Korea Vietnam Iraq and Afghanistan and the deaths due to capitalism out-way the deaths caused in the struggle to overthrow it.

You obsession with being a "loser" or a "winner" revels more about your character than making any telling points with me.

I lived very happily in communist Poland and live happily in London.

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I am sorry buddy, I have read them in french. I don't know the exact title in english.

I only speak 5 languages and I sometimes make misstakes when I write or speak
another language than my native one.

But tell me. Was it your only argument ?

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A few numbers on deaths due to communism.

65 million in the People's Republic of China
20 million in the Soviet Union
2 million in Cambodia
2 million in North Korea
1.7 million in Africa
1.5 million in Afghanistan
1 million in the Communist states of Eastern Europe
1 million in Vietnam
150,000 in Latin America

I thinking being dead would be the ultimate definition of not "fulfilling their human potential"

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Where is the argument??

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Wealth is a river, not a pie. it is created by new products and services, it is not a fixed sum. If your neighbor becomes rich, it doesn't mean you have less. Wealth in the world is not a zero sum game. And when people talk about the rich "hording" money, in the end the money is actually held in banks, who invest it in loans, etc.... in order to make profit. The rich don't stuff the cash under their mattresses.


Why can't people understand this basic fact? Is everyone so blinded by the class envy crap? Too busy whining about "Waaaaaa! He has more than me! Waaaaaaa!" ?




In the end, it's about freedom, or lack thereof. If you want the state to run everything, to determine how much you can make, what you can produce, etc.... then make your little prison country and good luck with that. You all are welcome to trust in a huge power structure to run your lives. Funny that statists think that people are too stupid and greedy to be trusted with freedom, and then think that the people in government that they give power and legal use of force to enforce that power, are any less stupid and greedy. The only difference between my stupid greedy neighbor and my stupid greedy congressman is that my neighbor can't legally use force to take my stuff.

Personally I prefer Freedom. INCLUDING the freedom to fail.



Carry on.



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Actually Big corporations DO love big overreaching government control. It gives them the ability to influence corrupt politicians that have too much power, to create laws, taxes and regulations that squeeze out the small guys who might be potential competition and take some of their market share. So yes. Big Corps do love socialism/corporatism.




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I cant wait for the next civil war. As the other side gets crushed while waiting for their free guns and ammo and arguing about just how much fighting they will do before someone else should do it for them.

I apologize ( But still hold to my point ) and It would be great to meet you in person, it sound like you would be an interesting person to talk to

Who says?

Vietnam to take an example...The communists are responsible for what part of that countries history...?

The Japanese invasion - where the communists were on our side against the Japaneses

Against the French - when they tried to make it their colony again - thats the communists faults ?

Against the Americans - when they support the French and then go it alone in all out war...?

Chalk those deaths up to capitalism.