Im wondering where they will take the skin graft from that will not be seen on a nude model ? Her armpit maybe !
I can see her having laser treatments but a skin graft as well, I doubt it.

Having shot models for more than 40 years I know first hand they can come up with lies and bullshit effortlessly, I had one model who's excuse for a no show was her mother died. Next thing i hear from another producer was she brought her mother to a shoot ( non nude ) two weeks later " what a miracle "

At the end of the day its all about the money for most models, getting as much as possible as fast as possible and for the producers its about getting as much quality content as possible to keep their clients happy.

One thing producers can take away from this is that they should all keep bottled water and a decent first aid kit with them while shooting on location, sadly I doubt many do?

Wow, that is a miracle indeed :winkwink:

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Just to set the record straight Fabian, I have never spoken to, or otherwise communicated with, or even heard of Kelly Klass until I read the article about her accident at a Brazzer's set on LIB, minutes before I created this thread (remember, the post where I kiddingly suggested that you might claim "rogue director" - and you subsequently went ahead and did just that - Bingo!!!).

I didn't even know what Kelly's face looked like until right before this post (cute girl, I had only seen her burn photos until minutes ago).

Therefore, I'm not sure how you can construe my post to suggest that Kelly was following my advice by making her issue public (from what I read on LIB this issue has been going on for months, Kelly has been trying to settle out of court, and she had not been making the issue public by taking it to the boards until now, after word already got out):

You fabricate lies and then have the audacity to lecture people about professionalism - please spare us all from Manwin ethics (or rather, lack thereof).

This accident happened back in June - it is still unsettled, even though the injured party indicated a willingness to try and settle this long ago. Sounds like you are doing a smash up job as Managing Partner and Head Spin-Controller Fabian Thylmann.

As much as you have made light of this situation, you better hope the case doesn't make it into court, because if you or Manwin are named, I have a feeling that the Plaintiff's attorney is going to have a field day with some of the flip and frankly quite callous comments that you've made, Mr Professional.

Your vanity, and thinking that people are jealous of you/Manwin, simply because they point out your/Manwin's callous disregard for ethics and the health and safety of people working for you/Manwin, may eventually be your downfall, so keep it up.

Well that, and the speed and skill with which you are alienating people who were at first perhaps on your side, and slightly in awe of Manwin in terms of it's sheer size, that is before learning how Manwin really got to where it is, and how it actually operates (as opposed to how you and your "partners" want them to think about Manwin).

Anyway, I think the discussion in this thread has been enlightening, and if nothing else it is a teachable moment inasmuch as hopefully producers/directors reading this will be more careful in the future, and possibly also come up with contingency plans for handling accidents such as this on their sets.

Anyone considering directing for Manwin should also now be aware that you may throw them under the bus (or van in this case), should anything happen while they are working on your behalf.

P.S. We do have a first aid kit at all of my shoots, and I am Red Cross trained in first aid (CPR, etc).

ADG

And another BTW...Anyone start a thread about the girl that came close to OD'ing on set? Is she suing the Producer or the shooter? Is it the Producers fault, seeing that the shooter was the one that supplied her the drugs?

Oh wait that wasn't posted, guess the shooter is well liked on the boards.

Here is the thing I don't understand. If the girl wanted real medical attention, why didn't she take herself or call 911 if it was that bad?

God didn't miracle her onto the set so I assume either she had a car or her suitcase pimp was near (did she call her agent?). If I thought I needed help and the only people with a car wouldn't help me, I'd help myself. All it takes is one phone call. And really, if it was that bad, she wouldn't have done the scene.

shut down the paysites and stick with the tubes. seems like shooting content is just a big hassle.

I think they can use pig skin in certain graft situations.

just graft on some fresh whore skin and move on.

Accounting for inflation, it may be more by now. I think Kelly Wells got like $20K when she got hurt on Evil Angel/Belladonna's set and that was years ago.

Plus was she taken to the shoot and how far was it to a hospital?

I'm sure your lawyers have clued you up on this. Just in case doesn't hurt to post it.

Other companies might read it as well.

Do you insist on your shooters having the appropriate insurance? I never saw it in the contract or was mine a one off?

This is what I thought...It just doesn't make sense any medical professional would discuss skin grafts for a 2nd degree burn....and laser treatments for a burn that fresh (20 days+) seems also a little unreal.

Plus, the comment she makes asking for $ for the time she has missed work also seems dubious.

I smell something fishy.

Enter FacePaulm Arkham ...

That's definitely not good news. :disgust

Didn't hear about this one. I guess being out of the loop by not living in LA is sometimes a good thing. :upsidedow

I'm not sure why there is this conspiracy of silence among some in the industry, or why people would cover-up for some of the most lame-brained stupidity imaginable. Will it take a performer dying from a drug overdose on a set for people to out bozos that honestly seem to have little business in this industry in the first place?.

As for the scenario that you outlined, I would venture to say that a case might be made that there was a chain of negligence which contributed to what happened, particularly if it can be proven that the hiring studio did not properly train/supervise the Director they hired to shoot their scene.

And it could be worse. For example, in a case like this one involving Manwin, they might look at whether the studio bothered to certify whether the Director that they hired had current liability insurance, permits, etc. If not, well, you can see where that might lead.

Likewise, if a CEO / Managing Partner is publicly cracking jokes about creating and watching blooper videos of people being injured on their porn sets, well, that kind of callous disregard for people employed for their production just might not play too well in front of a jury either, but as Fabian likes to tell people, what do I, or anyone, besides himself, know?

Hint: Plenty :winkwink:

ADG

I'm available to shoot BTS "cover your ass" footage if needed... seriously. I've got nothing better going on at the moment lol.

ADG,

you never seize to amaze me.. you have a gift for blowing things out of proportion and always claiming its not at all your goal to hurt me or manwin.. it's rather hilarious actually... Your lack of knowledge in this matter is very very big, considering all you know is her side of the story and you know NOTHING about what happened on set or in the last months... and I am not going to discuss it here since its useless to discuss things with people like you anyway...

All you will do is spin the info I give another way to make it sound bad by replying and leaving out some words here and there just in hope someone reads your bullshit and does not think like so many people do here...

Clearly you do not care about the truth or you would have contacted me like I have offered in the other thread. No, all you care about is getting your lies and stupidities spread and you actually think I care... but then all I do is reply to you for the fun of doing so...

You can not imagine how many people ask me why the fuck I even talk to people like you or Robbie or Paul.... and I keep telling them, it's a hobby, it's while I am bored and have nothing better to do... (everyone, watch for his comment how something better would be to do XYZ in my oh so fucked up unethical company).

You are not good at this game ADG, all you are good at is finding funny pictures to post in threads...

Anyway, your posts are getting repetitive and rather boring in nature lately. I might just stop replying to you...

BTW, our directors know that they can count on us to help them with everything... and the same goes with the performers we use. You will just not understand this since you know nothing about this case, as I have said before...

ADG, seriously you are being very hard on our business.

That part I just quoted of you can be applied to EVERY industry.

Not only EVERY industry...but some that are VERY important: Cops cover each other's asses when they make fatal mistakes, hospital staff cover each other's asses when they make fatal mistakes, etc.

People keeping quiet about some things isn't really anything out of the ordinary. And a girl burning her leg on a hot vehicle? Happens everyday in real life. Was there stupidity involved. Hell yes...SHE should have stopped and went to the drug store and got some neosporin and a bandage. Total cost: under $10

I've burned myself similarly probably a hundred times over my lifetime working on classic cars. I never needed a "skin graft" or "medical attention" or lost work because of it.

Obviously the shooter showed stupidity by not realizing what this whole thing could turn into. But honestly...most people don't think to themselves that somebody is going to try and make a money grab off of something like this.

Here's what I take from it: People shooting should always keep in mind that in this day and age people bring lawsuits every time they stub their toe. It sucks, but that's the way it is.

And for the rest of us...I know it's fun to keep heckling Manwin. But if the mainstream press and people like AHF sink their teeth into this it will hurt ALL of us.

The last thing I need is to be told by the govt. that I have to do all kind of ridiculous and expensive things (insurance, medical gear, etc.) just to pick up a camera and film two people having sex.

Fabian, please believe me...until you magically came up with all this money...you weren't even in my league. And as far as knowledge, skill, and talent....you never will be.

How the FUCK can you twist my words so much, lol... you just write whatever the fuck you want... I never said anything like this. I said that maybe we should film everything just to have it documented in case something happens, and on the SIDE it would make for a great BTS footage we can add to all scenes.... Where the FUCK did I say that I want to post videos of people gettin hurt?!

The only place I said anything similar was regarding posting proof that some performer lies about what happened...

Seriously, get a life....

Robbie, of course not, how could I _EVER_ be in your league... you are much too good for me, I am very very jealous!

100 gold digging girls...

No you're not. You don't even understand. So how could you be "jealous"?

Just know that to have YOU try to talk down to me is amusing to say the least. I earned everything I am. And I've forgotten more about the entertainment biz than you'll ever know.

Now go count that pornhub money made off the backs of others, and next time you get pissed at somebody else...try and not let my name escape your dick skinners. :1orglaugh

two sides of every story
Kelly can be somewhat of a gold digger but no matter what it has nothing to do with Manwin. Shooters (myself) included are independent. There is a reason we carry insurance, though i am not sure it would cover all that much in this case.
Do I think she was treated properly? Not at all but that shows more about Mr Johnny compassion than anything else..
She should have been given care right away, then rescheduled the shoot.

im asking you again Fabian, why????

...

Trying to be funny huh? :) You are right though, I am not jealous, sorry :(

Haha :)

Seriously, I was eating some italian and sitting in front of the PC a bit bored so I started to surf GFY.... European offices are closed for the day (8pm), Canada is at lunch and LA I have nothing to discuss with right now... In roughly 20 minutes people in Canada will be coming back from lunch so I'll be a bit busier ... :)

I heard about that one and I live in freaking Ohio. You wont hear about it, it involves major bros and board whores. And as to not living in LA, has been a great thing for me since I left a decade ago.

I know Kelly and have worked with her, and I got a pretty good idea why. But point taken.

Fabian Thylmann, the biggest porn tycoon on the planet, is having a meltdown. :1orglaugh

Here is an exact quote you made in this thread on page 1:

"In case something happens again" refers to what happened to a performer (in this case Kelly was burnt) getting hurt again, and then you say "we can all watch (the) video together", followed immediately by:

"Won't that be fun?!"

I'm not sure what you think I twisted. They're your words! :1orglaugh

ADG

Right, which is what I said "The only place I said anything similar was regarding posting proof that some performer lies about what happened"

Think before you post ADG ;)

Oh, and a meltdown looks very very different...

Model burns ankle
 

WHAT IS THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS STORY?
We do not know the other side to this story.

WHAT DID THE PRODUCER DO WRONG?
Nothing that I can see, even from the model?s complaint, that caused this accident. However, according to the model he promised to get her medical attention following the shoot. Having made that promise he should have done that, it would have cost $100 or less at the nearest urgent care center. He could have added it to the invoice. Follow through on your promise, just like you expect from someone making a promise to you.

IS THIS A WORKERS COMPENSATION CLAIM?
Models are traditionally considered independent contractors in this industry, but CAL OSHA has made clear they consider them employees. So the producer may have an exposure to workers compensation claim plus penalties, but even if he wins the issue that she is an independent contractor he incurs crippling legal fees. He should have followed through with the promised medical attention and insisted even if she declined.

WHERE ARE THE PHOTOS?
Here she is surrounded by photographers and there is no decent photo of the injury. Where is the photo of the scar? Maybe it can?t be seen.

DAMAGES?
Here is where the rubber meets the road.

Porn model gets a tiny burn resulting in a tiny scar to her ankle and claims she can?t work and needs laser therapy and skin grafts to return her to her all natural look. The suggested claim here is that the scar will detract from her appearance causing her to loose work. The scar, whatever it?s appearance, is located at the most distant part of the body from the focus of her adult modeling ? her face and her pussy. The truth is the ankle will not even be in the photos and video where her pussy and/or face are featured, and is in all likelihood covered by a pair of platform shoes anyhow. But, that ugly tattoo of a bug located on her abdomen close to the pussy, is OK? I would take the scar, no matter how ugly, over the tattoo any day. Maybe she should forget the ankle and concentrate on that stupid tattoo.

I am wondering why she can?t work because of a tiny scar on her ankle? If she gets a settlement I?m taking bets she gets more tattoos.

BOTTOM LINE:

PRODUCER made a promise and should have followed through with it. Just treat her the way you would like to be treated and you are likely to be in good shape. The model finished the shoot, you should have given her the medical treatment you promised.

MODEL can?t expect to retire on an inconsequential injury, go visit a burn center and with your renewed appreciation of your good fortune from that experience go back to work, with a smile on your face.

BRAZZERS isn?t responsible for anything here, but under the ?deep pockets? concept you are probably facing some expense defending yourself so figure out a way to get the best PR from it.

:2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:
:1orglaugh

Robbie, help!

There you go again, Fibbing Fabian. You disemble. The thought above was NOT in your original quote which I cited from page 1.

If so, you might have written something more like this:

"This thread gave me an idea though, I'll start having our directors film to get proof in case some performer lies about what happened, and then we can all watch the video together (and see proof of the purported lie).

In that case though, "Won't that be fun?!", doesn't really seem to fit.

What you wrote, and I quote exactly again:

Perhaps the people that you surround yourself with on the Manwin payroll tell you that you are infallible, but to the rest of us, it becomes more obvious with each passing day that an inexperienced boy is the public face of Manwin, he isn't as smart as he thinks he is, and he doesn't have control of things as much as the Manwin press releases would have people believe.

ADG

NATS programmer geek to porn tycoon is 3 years time... an inspiration to us all. :winkwink:



It's funny how Fabian is baited into all of these threads. The "managing partner" / sole owner of Manwin worth 100M's and claims that he spends more on photo shoots a month than most of us have ever made in adult... takes the time to come argue about a model who burned her leg from an exhaust pipe during a shoot. Obviously they have several production crews, which are contracted out and handle all of this. He probably never heard about it till now much less was he there or was involved in any way. But yet, he takes the bait and comes in here fighting with everyone and trying to defend himself, just like all the other 100M porn tycoon owners do lol :upsidedow

Something as minor as that wouldn't even be acknowledged by most big companies, much less would the owner be defending something like that publicly, especially when there is litigation pending.

Haters gonna hate.

Other signs of success is buying ads on the pirate bay and then sending them DMCA notices at the same time. Congrats!!! You win the top prize. :thumbsup

you're out of line larence :2 cents:

fuck the scum at brazzers

if you want to support the biggest pieces of shit in adult send your traffic to brazzers

Now THAT seems the most sensible post of this whole thread...





:2 cents:

Interesting subject that a lot of people can learn from. Not just if you shoot porn.

I assume the model was an independent contractor ?
Was the shooter independent hired or on salary ?

If it's 1099 income then almost guaranteed the girl is responsible for her own well being, if she get hurt and can't work it's still a contract breach unless there is a clause in the contract about it. Hence it's also her responsibility to make sure she have insurance covering herself, even when working since she technically work for herself.

It's also possible the liability is with her agent.

Initially I'd probably offer some help to the model if she was reasonable, at this stage I'd feel obligated to go to court to defend myself and my company since I wouldn't want to assume responsibility over contractors if something more serious ever happened (i.e.: sexual diseases, aids/hiv etc etc)

Fabian hasnt changed much back from the early days when he was prancing around as "Nathan" with the same indignant mouth he had back then.

He just got a better job.

He still isnt very good at this....