Holy shit!

You actually said something that is true this time.


Don't get carried away though, I'm sure you will fuck up again tomorrow.


:1orglaugh

The ability to pay the cost of the ads is because of the affiliate method of driving traffic, which previous to Tubes was the top way for most, it was expensive and included in the price of a sale.

So, for instance, Dating sites charge $30 a month. $10 of which goes towards traffic costs because affiliates want 50%+. And the other costs. Now Dating sites can spend $10 of every join on advertising.

If the cost of traffic was 10%, because affiliates only got 10% and weren't given the support they do now. Then the price would of fallen. Maybe to $20 and they wouldn't have the budget to spend on advertising on Tubes.

Same goes for all of the free content online. It's their mostly because the industry spends so much putting it there. Now it's become a huge barrier to getting sign ups and everyones moaning. Now the SE guys are having their turn.

The same principle goes for TGPs in a less harmful way, still the same. They had masses of traffic. The vast majority of which never had to buy porn. Why were there so many with so much free porn on? The budget for traffic was able to pay the bills.

The biggest problem became not getting traffic, but getting enough traffic to get a sign up. People just were not buying in the numbers they would of. It worked until Tubes soaked up so much traffic that wouldn't buy, then the flaws were easy to see.

Now we have this big barrier where 1 site supposedly gets 20 million surfers a day. Multiply that by 10, add the medium and smaller Tubes and the numbers not paying for porn are astounding.

The problem for all the flamers is few of them would survive on 10% and having to provide everything for themselves.

And their definition of what is good. I see 1-500 visitors to a site buying as an immense failure. They see it as success. Yes they think 499 saying no is a success. :Oh crap

Even 1-100 is 99 saying no. Nothing to be shouting about.

No need to comment.

Spot on right for a change. You wouldn't be better off, you would be gone.

For well over 12 years most online porn companies have companies have fought with each other to see who could get the most traffic. By giving away the most porn. This was very expensive. Any site owner will tell you his bill for generating traffic was immense.

It led to an inflated free porn barrier. Too many affiliates sucking off the teat of sponsors and too little people buying, compared to the numbers not buying. Yet it all worked. If 1-1,000 porn surfers bought, from those like Will who have amazing traffic to those who had poor traffic, it worked. Today the actual number who surf for porn and actually get out a credit card could be around 1-10,000. And the vast majority are on Tube sites like Pornhub.

Now it's biting the most of you in the ass.

Will I might be wrong on the figures, I might be under or over. But the principle is spot on. We built this barrier, not it's so big fewer are buying than ever.

two words Paul "Nash Equilibrium"

look it up,

you can't beat it, because all it takes to make your entire "plan" to work is one guy deciding to give away more free porn

wishing you could go back in time and change the past is worthless

arguing that you should cut the affiliate payments, or whatever other idea that requires you to get EVER SINGLE PROGRAM to agree to work together will never work

one guy deciding to say screw you and the entire thing falls apart

Yes far to late now. They were told years ago and decided to ignore it.

The flaw in the "1 guy decides to screw you" is wrong. As he would need to carry the extra cost of the affiliates. Still to late now. Manwin and a few others, might choose to cut out the affiliate. Still with so much traffic going to free, the dye is cast and turning back the clock isn't possible. Still fun to point out to those moaning, "they made their bed and now have to lie in it." Sorry guys of realised giving porn away for free, wasn't the brightest thing to do.

Is there a way to change the situation for a few? Yes. But the answers lie inside the site and not outside.

Thats what users are looking for when they search for porn. The success of any se lies in giving the users what they want (thats how google beat altavista, yahoo, etc.) :2 cents:

Because they are really popular. This is the main criteria for Panda.

seriously how stupid are you

affiliates are paid as a percentage of sales

1 guy decides to pay 30% when everyone else is paying 10-20% and every affiliate and their mother will switch to that program

your "there too much free porn" cry baby bullshit is just that bullshit

Now you see why inbound links is not mandatory. Hell i got brand new sites listed and ZERO inbound links !

I was heavily googling for some WP related stuff lately and simply wasn't able to find anythng relevant, the results were many times pretty old, lots of mess.

Definitely something weird going on.

You keep assuming the guy paying 30% has that money in his pricing structure.

The cost of affiliates has to be included in the cost of the join. So 1,000s of site are charging $20 and paying out 10%. Then someone decides he will pay out 50% and give affiliates everything they need. And raises the join price to $30. And everyone says "Why is this guy charging so much? Must be really good".

Then he finds it's no different from the $20 sites and all of a sudden, the $30 guy goes out of business. Because every customer thinks for $20 that can get the same.

Affiliates don't control this business, customers do. That's why Tubes are doing so well, customers decide where they view.

As you said it's too late now, the dye is cast.

There is too much free porn online. And I'm in the majority who thinks that. Problem is no one can think of a way to get off the slide.

But you're a guy with th weirdest possible views on copying and profiting from other peoples property. So I guess you're thinking on this might be a bit weird.

first of all who says anything about raising prices, i said raising affliate commissions
say one guy decides to risk it raise commission give up his profits on a site, counting on economies of scale to make his profits
bandwidth cost decrease with each additional users
fixed cost like content once you break even don't get allocated anymore
1 guy raising his commission would not need to raise prices 1 dollar to make made money if everyone else stayed the same.

That the fucking point moron, seriously you need to read up on a nash equlibrium



tell that to microsoft, they don't focus on end users they focus on supporting developers

the end users take windows because it the plateform for all the applications they want

the same principle applied to the affiliate model

idiot i never said it was too late now
i said your a moron for trying to fight against the nashian trend

the success model embraces the change, adapt to the new marketplace rather then bitching about how there is too much free porn.

Jesus you're so all over the place it's hilarious.

According to what you've already said before and how you think it should have happened:
Internet goes back in time and sponsors never pay more than 10% to affiliates. 90% of todays affiliates would not exist (according to what YOU said, YOUR logic). This means those sponsors are making a killing because free porn is not rampant, ratios are spectacular, and the mass of affiliates do not exist. Correct? So if they (the sponsors) are making a killing then they could SO FUCKING EASILY raise affiliates payout to 30% and doesn't need to raise the membership price a penny because every affiliate is going to flock to them like flies to shit, and in turn cause every other sponsor to raise their payouts to compete. Which easily explains why things are the way they are today. Does that make any fucking sense? Are we in 2011 now? This is all based on your own logic so feel free to disagree with it and admit you contradict yourself in every post you make.