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Jakez 09-18-2011 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 18433445)
This guy is like a 1800's texas cowboy arguing with Enzo Ferrari about why horses are better than cars and how cars ruined the world. I can never really decide if it's really funny or just really sad. Usually it's a bit of both.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:thumbsup

So true. Both are correct, except one of them are correct in 2011. He just doesn't get that.

gideongallery 09-18-2011 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18431049)
So do I. But the positive outlook needs to be realistic.

Clearly online porn is suffering. I'm positive enough to see a way out. It seems all the gurus and experts aren't.

For me the way to a better future relies totally on utilising the benefits of an Internet delivered product rather than copying the same offline did in terms of the product. Which was stack product on a shelf in the hope someone would buy it. Online stacked product in a site and gave it away as boxes and hoped someone would buy it.

I''m far to positive to think that's right today or the only way.

The Internet can do one thing offline porn can't do. We do it in a few limited and usually expensive ways. Not enough ways and not really utilised it's possibilities. The Internet porn site can supply live contact to it's members.

so instead of a member signing up and just seeing a pile of porn scenes, he meets a real girl or guy for Gay sites. She chats with the members, helps him through the site and is there to chat all the time.

Cost after technology is supplied $2,000 per month per girl. That's probably over the top for a girl not getting her kit off. It would need 4.5 girls to supply 24/30 day coverage of girls working 40 hours a week, 120 hours a month. Total wage is $9000.

Divide that by a site with 1,000 members and it's obviously too expensive. Divide it by 10,000 members and it's 90 cents a month.

If online porn is now a collection of small sites with 1,000 to 2,000 members then it's not the picture given here by many. If it's sites with 5,000 plus then it's affordable. For a sponsor with a lot of sites doing well it's very possible.

Now look at the other benefits. What would you rather sign up to a site which is just a pile of porn, 100,000 of them to choose from, or a site with a live girl online to meet. Same goes for affiliates, would you take a little less to get a site that converts and retains better?

Live instant contact is all online paysite has to offer. Boxed porn is dying slowly, it's free on Tubes and piracy sites. To stay in a declining business and not changing is negative a defeatist. And won't take you to any long term success.

Now the question is does anyone have the balls and the money to make it work?

Or only can hide their inability with insults?

you do realize your just copying the chat site model right

they pay less to affiliates in commission too

wow you discovered what every one knew years ago.

Django 09-18-2011 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 18433445)
This guy is like a 1800's texas cowboy arguing with Enzo Ferrari about why horses are better than cars and how cars ruined the world. I can never really decide if it's really funny or just really sad. Usually it's a bit of both.

:1orglaugh

Paul Markham 09-18-2011 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 18434618)
you do realize your just copying the chat site model right

they pay less to affiliates in commission too

wow you discovered what every one knew years ago.

No I'm adapting the chat model to fit the paysite one.

The object of a girl on a chat site is to get a single customer, at a time, into a higher priced 1-1 chat and show.

This is to keep 1,000s of surfers converting and rebilling by giving them something above what they currently get. The object isn't for the girl to get viewers to spend money, they have already spent money by joining the site. It's to chat with them, keep them happy and learn more about what they like and don't like. We do very little of that above comments below a scene. How is that better than comments to a real live person?

Yes the model of a girl chatting with viewers isn't new, but am I the only one who sees the cross over?

If cost is the only thing that stops people trying it, then this industry isn't as rich as it makes out. It has been done before, on solo girl sites and works beautifully. If the site can afford to keep the girl interested in working. Many simply can't.

I see a different side of the business than you will as an affiliate. Affiliates get the view of an industry with loads of money to spend on them. The content side gets a view of an industry with little money to spend on the product.

To get a good girl model to work exclusive on a site she doesn't own is going to cost $50,000 a year. That's minimum for a good girl here. LA porn girl more. Bad girls are cheap, but who wants to join a site with a bad girl on? How many sites do you know that offer a girl that kind of money, like the exclusive girls offline porn has?

My idea is for girls with a broad mind, nice looks, personality and want to keep their clothes on. Cost comes plummeting down.

Would you want to send traffic to a site with a live girl chatting to members or a site without one?

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer
This guy is like a 1800's texas cowboy arguing with Enzo Ferrari about why horses are better than cars and how cars ruined the world. I can never really decide if it's really funny or just really sad. Usually it's a bit of both.

You're assuming Online porn has taken porn forward like the car took transport forward.

That's the stupidest assumption ever.

The stupid part is, you still have to pay for a car to enjoy one, people no longer have to pay for porn to enjoy it.

Paul Markham 09-18-2011 05:01 AM

Just realised why GG doesn't like my idea, hard to steal live stuff.

Silly me, I'm getting slower. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

TheSquealer 09-18-2011 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18434693)

You're assuming Online porn has taken porn forward like the car took transport forward.

That's the stupidest assumption ever.

The stupid part is, you still have to pay for a car to enjoy one, people no longer have to pay for porn to enjoy it.

As usual, the simplest of analogies are completely lost on you. It's not about the horse or the car, its about the pathetic old man that's totally lost in an ever changing world which he clearly no longer understands.

CaptainHowdy 09-18-2011 06:14 AM

Congrats on the award, Paulie ...

Jel 09-18-2011 06:53 AM

A Timex watch, in a digital age.

Brent 3dSexCash 09-18-2011 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ottopottomouse (Post 18419446)
Should hire yourself out reading bedtime stories to kids that refuse to go to sleep.

http://www.diyfather.com/files/go-the-f-to-sleep.jpg

Just Alex 09-18-2011 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18430077)
So who was this about?

"The only difference is he has an excuse to be delusional due to his age."

About you, no to you. :2 cents:

gideongallery 09-18-2011 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18434693)
No I'm adapting the chat model to fit the paysite one.

The object of a girl on a chat site is to get a single customer, at a time, into a higher priced 1-1 chat and show.

This is to keep 1,000s of surfers converting and rebilling by giving them something above what they currently get. The object isn't for the girl to get viewers to spend money, they have already spent money by joining the site. It's to chat with them, keep them happy and learn more about what they like and don't like. We do very little of that above comments below a scene. How is that better than comments to a real live person?

have you joined a solo site in the last couple years, virtually every pornstar official site has weekly chats for the members

that model is already established. you didn't adapt anything to the paysite model



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Yes the model of a girl chatting with viewers isn't new, but am I the only one who sees the cross over?

If cost is the only thing that stops people trying it, then this industry isn't as rich as it makes out. It has been done before, on solo girl sites and works beautifully. If the site can afford to keep the girl interested in working. Many simply can't.

I see a different side of the business than you will as an affiliate. Affiliates get the view of an industry with loads of money to spend on them. The content side gets a view of an industry with little money to spend on the product.

To get a good girl model to work exclusive on a site she doesn't own is going to cost $50,000 a year. That's minimum for a good girl here. LA porn girl more. Bad girls are cheap, but who wants to join a site with a bad girl on? How many sites do you know that offer a girl that kind of money, like the exclusive girls offline porn has?

My idea is for girls with a broad mind, nice looks, personality and want to keep their clothes on. Cost comes plummeting down.

the problem isn't the concept paul, like i said it currently exist in 100s of pay sites right now

it the implementation

if a girl was that good a draw to the paysite model she would make 10-20 times more money hustling for 1:1 in a chat site. You can't compete with those offers, so it is designed to fail.

Your completely missing the point of the competition in the marketplace

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18434895)
Just realised why GG doesn't like my idea, hard to steal live stuff.

Silly me, I'm getting slower. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

paul do a search

i have said the solution is 5 parts
1. doing watermarks correctly
2. branding bugs
3. doing live interaction correctly
4. setting up private tracker correctly
5 doing product placement correctly

i have said it for more then 4 years now

i understand how important live interaction is new model, i also know what the right WAY to do it is.

Paul Markham 09-19-2011 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 18434981)
As usual, the simplest of analogies are completely lost on you. It's not about the horse or the car, its about the pathetic old man that's totally lost in an ever changing world which he clearly no longer understands.

I understand the online porn well perfectly. sales are falling, traffic is rising and no one seems to be doing anything about it. Except give away more free porn. Unless you think that's the way forward you're wrong.

Your "simplest of analogies" was stupid and in no way applies to online porn. The car revolutionised the transport industry. Online porn could of done the same, yet failed to. Were the people running the business incapable of doing more than giving away free porn to get a few to buy a generally sub standard product. Are you typical of online porn?

A person who comes from Russia to Czech, to meet a shooter he thinks produces crap work, when he meets him doesn't like him and his assistant positively dislikes him, yet goes to his studio, stays with him all day and even goes to his home for a pasta dinner. What do you do with people you like and want to do business with, go on holiday with them?

Is the business run by no sig trolls like you?

I've achieved something in my life, you've done what?

will76 09-19-2011 12:20 AM

Paul so you "too" sick to prove everyone here wrong and actually go *do* it. Everyone else here is stupid, except for you who has all the answers but alas you can't do anything about it because you are too sick. But yet you are not to sick to sit in front the computer all day and write tons of long posts and ebooks.

For once in your life actually go do it. You keep thinking you got it figured out, but yet you accomplish zero. Don't you think that says something about your thoughts???


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