i never disputed a legit quote. you logic sucks.

porno jew ignores video evidence which he cant call bullshit to which clearly shows what a vile terrorist country Israel is and just focuses on quotes which are easily provable yet at the same time hard to defend as he can call any sources bullshit.

He probably has a deep seated hatred of himself after his parents mutilated him at birth by cutting off his little willy.

It's always diffiicult to judge how much of what he says is what he really believes and what portion of it is simply bait being layed to ensure a poster feels compelled to return. He has a different agenda to everyone else here :2 cents:

Overall though, he does appear to have faith in his mainstream news

Faith makes people believe blindly even when shown video evidence they still refuse to accept they are wrong.

oh yeah? proof?

never even commented on the video. just your fake quotes.

where did i "refuse to accept" anything about them?

lying comes second nature to you it seems. you should work for the government.

We definitely do see that with videos of the WTC7 demolition; that is clear evidence of how easily people can be led away from the obvious :2 cents:

I've read hundreds of your posts :2 cents:

you live in a simple-minded either/or universe. you are unable to even comprehend that if someone disputes the bullshit that you post it does not mean they accept the mainstream view of things.

if your intelligence increases you may understand that one day.

I've got to stop falling for this bait, I've got work to do :1orglaugh

You're good at it though, I'll give you that

I think he was callin bullshit on your "evidence" which was a few fake quotes.

:2 cents:

Where's your evidence the quotes are fake? Two of them were cited. Are you saying that the CBS interview was made up? Should be fairly trivial for you to upload the video then to expose it, since you're so sure the statement wasn't made.

To save you buying your first book, in order to "expose" the other "fake" quote, here's an excerpt from Page 99 of Fallen Pillars:

http://books.google.com/books?id=1YN...wn3H60g&edge=0

As to the Sharon quote, it originates from some "Palestinian News Agency". Like I said to porno tard, it doesn't really matter if a source is provided for that because you'll reject it anyway as "fake" or not "legit" due to the fact you don't like the sound of it.

So it really just rests on whether you believe Sharon said it or not and/or whether you think it's true. Personally I think it's academic. He's a mass murdering psychopath who has done and said a lot worse than that, so the quote is just lazy and inconsequential copy/paste blog comment fodder that adds nothing to any real debate.

did i dispute that quote idiot?

and yes the sharon quote is fake. anyone with some critical thinking facilities would discover that. but you are too blinded by your belief system to see that.

I could care less about Palestinian areas or Israel. I was commenting on the person he was replying to and "her" evasiveness.

You do realize you are arguing with people that feel a need to validate their own importance by thinking they've discovered the secrets of an ultra-elite conspiracy spanning generations, political and geographic borders, right?

Maybe when you're done you can come down to my place and herd some of the cats around here? Thanks in advance. :winkwink:

You disputed all the quotes, idiot. It's apparent you can't follow a simple thread, but can't you at least follow the incredible stupidity you bash out on your own keyboard?

And how did you "discover" it is fake? Please, go through each step you took.

i only quoted the sharon quote because that was the one i was disputing.

go back and look. i know you have troubles only seeing what you want to see but there it is.

i am not new to this issue and conspiracies. i discovered that quote to be fake ages ago.

how? i could not find a legit source outside of some anti-semitic websites.

yeah i know, but i'm not arguing about whether the new world order exists, but their lack of research, critical thinking and overall credulity.

What you're trying to do is akin to trying to convince someone who is clinically crazy that it is infact them that is crazy and not everyone else around them. It's just a waste of time. :2 cents:

yeah i guess i'm just bored.

Fair enough. Game on! :)

Yep. Here it is:

So which is it, you are lying and backpedaling about disputing one quote or you simply have a ridiculously bad command of English?

the plural was used because i was disputing wehateporns quote as well.

it is pretty obvious from my original post which one i was disputing.

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Of course, it's pretty obvious when you're disputing wehateporn's quote that you'd ask someone else entirely why they posted it.

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Carry on, please. This gets funnier the deeper you dig.

logic and total lack of proof doesn't work on "believers" porno jew, it just gets in their way and upsets their fantasies.

dig deep into what? i told you what quotes i disputed. get over it.

wait a second, this thread has a video of Gaddafi farting and a bemused Larry King and him making faces at each other, and you people are arguing about some other pointless things without even a chuckle or funny picture retort??? wtf??? :helpme

Dear anti-Semite, we don't reward terrorists with statehood. The end

He used the excuse that possession is 9/10ths of the law, or something like that.

Any Jew or pro Jewish person who thinks like that isn't very clued up on history. Millions went to war against Hitler, so possession wasn't 91/10ths of the law.

Again you would think they were taught their own history and how they had rocks thrown at them and were persecuted for a millennium. It seems give them some power to be persecutors they turn very easily.

Jews have been persecuted and hated for a very very long time. Shakespeare wasn't writing about a generally loved race when he wrote The Merchant of Venice. And the prejudice goes back further and Jews had to always take it. Now they have their own country, generally liked accepted around the world and have power. They persecute a less powerful people. :(

Absobloodylutely.

Should never of given Palestine to the Jewish Terrorist, see the shit storm it's created. If they win they're called freedom fighters afterwards. Still terrorist.

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Dear Mr 12 Clicks,

Palestine was there first. I think you will find Israel is the terrorist who regularly bombs schools, bulldoses peoples homes and kills innocent people daily. Please stop watching the zionist media.

Where is TheDemon on this one? Somebody page little fucker an tell him that internet needs him. There are more important things than spamming skype users with viagra.

free NetZero internet used up ...
Have to wait till the new cycle begins ..

I don't think that many Americans realize that our unquestioning and undying support for Israel is one of the major reasons why we're a target for Islamic terrorists, The nature of our relationship with Israel is undeniably a key motivating factor for our Islamist enemies. It looks very hypocritical and contradictory on our part when we publicly espouse democracy while privately supporting Arab tyranny-the Saudis, the Kuwaitis, and other regimes in the region. The other area is Israel and Palestine. We don't need to abandon the Israelis but we need to reestablish the relationship so it looks like we're the great power and they're our ally, and not the other way around. Prime Minister Sharon should be bluntly told that if he wants U.S. support and protection to remain at current levels, now is the moment ? and perhaps the final moment ? to terminate the endless peace process and form two states. We need to create a situation where moderate Muslims can express support for the United States without being laughed at.

Ultimately, the question of whether or not we should throw our full support behind Israel should be left up to the American people and not government beaurocrats. Unfortunately, anybody who tries to bring this topic up for debate is labeled an anti-semite. Israel and its American supporters have made discussing the issue of Israel difficult and politically dangerous in the United States with the word "anti-semite", a term which is so often hurled at Americans by Americans to preempt debate on the U.S.-Israeli relationship. What do we get out of our support for Israel is the question we should be asking ourselves.

Not only were Zionist Jews the pioneers of modern terrorism, targeting mainly innocent people and in the process murdering hundreds of Jews, and not only did many of the terrorists later become leaders of Israel, but on the 60th anniversary of the notorious King David Hotel terrorist bombing, which killed almost 100 innocent people, Israel put up a memorial to commemorate the terrorists who carried out the crime.

Perhaps that is their new policy.

Historically, they offered their land conquests back to the conquered country.

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True dat. A fairy tale.

Agreed. Funny how that works.

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Markham knows his history.
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That pretty much sums up the reality of it.:thumbsup
Israel should do something soon as they no longer have any allies or friends in the region (Turkey, Egypt) and pretty much the rest of the world has told them to 'fuck off.' Even Israel complains about it. However, it is the bed they've made for themselves.

Contrary to what trolls like to post I spend a lot of time watching TV.

The Old Testament has so many holes in it, it would be useless for straining spuds. Or water melons for that matter.

Let's just imagine for a minute if the US stopped supporting Israel. Would it go bust and what would be the consequences?

Would it survive and what would be the consequences?

If it went bust a lot of it's Jewish citizens would move back to Europe or the US or back where they came from.

If it survived it would have a totally different standard of living and a lot of it's Jewish citizens would move back to Europe or the US or back where they came from.

The Jewish population of Palestine was small compared with today. It's success is based on those people moving there and the financial support they got.

That support has cost the world dearly. Is Israel worth the death of 1,000s of US, UK and other countries soldiers and civilians? Terrorist for the last 50 years have used Israel as a recruitment and money gathering tool. If the US changed it's stance and supported Muslims the problem would decline. Now it wouldn't be immediately, but in a while it would.

Are the occupants of all those coffins flying back to their home, worth Israel?

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http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-thHJQ6-4SP...0war20dead.jpg

How many soldiers and civilians has Israel lost in the last 20 years?

How many soldiers and civilians have the countries fighting Muslims lost?

I support Jews rights to have a home in Palestine, but the cost in lives is too high today.

Muslim scum don't dictate US policy. If they don't like our allies, too bad.
As has been shown a few times now, we'll simply bomb the savages back to the stone age.

So good to have Israel as Americas ally.

The fact of the matter is that muslim scum DO dictate U.S. policy. This is pretty evident in the fact that we have a Transportation Security Administration, a Department of Homeland Security, USA PATRIOT Act and countless other domestic policy measures put in place after the 9/11 attacks. The world is going their way. Our leaders have been clever in defining success as preventing a big terrorist attack on the United States, but we've lost some 5,000 soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. We've spent billions on those wars, and as in Vietnam the government has suffered a real hit on its credibility. The war in Iraq and Afghanistan has created huge divisiveness in our domestic politics, not to mention in our relationships with our European allies. At the same time, there are more people willing to take up arms against the United States, and we have less ability to win hearts and minds in the Arab world. If you're the leader of a terrorist network, all those things are part of the war and those things are going your way.

We need to acknowledge that we are at war, not because of who we are, but because of what we do. We are confronting a jihad that is inspired by the tangible and visible impact of our policies. People are willing to die for that, and we're not going to win by killing them off one by one. We have a dozen years of reliable polling in the Middle East, and it shows overwhelming hostility to our policies?and at the same time it shows majorities that admire the way we live, our ability to feed and clothe our children and find work. We need to tell the truth to set the stage for a discussion of our foreign policy.

Your antipathy towards the Islamic world is certainly understandable, even if it isn't very justifiable. I don't expect to sway your opinion on the issue so i'll just end it with a couple of quotes by one of our founding fathers that pertain to our relationship with Israel.

"Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence ? the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealousy, to be useful, must be impartial, else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it."


"Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence of the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people to surrender their interests."

-George Washington, Farewell Address, 1796

http://www.utulsa.edu/law/classes/ri...ll_Address.htm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-14946179

Even with the media against them in America the American people can see through the lies and are in favour of a Palestinian state.

Which is costing other countries, allies, 1,000s of lost lives.

Pretty easy to say while others pay your bills.

If Iran or a rogue terrorist were to nuke Israel off the map, what changes do you believe, would occur in the world?

The chances of that happening are slim. The whole reason for the conflict arose from the argument of who has rights to the "promised Land". Jerusalem has so many holy sites that are revered by the muslims, they wouldn't want to destroy them. Iran is currently facing domestic problems trying to suppress the people's initiatives of democratization. They are a country that admittedly is led by one of the world's craziest politicians, but one that also is ringed by U.S. military bases and surrounded by an overwhelmingly more numerous Sunni world that hates Shi'ites far more than it hates Westerners. They're watching their energy sources dwindle and preparing for the impoverishment and resulting internal political instability that event will usher in.

So the question is, where is the threat to the United States? While Iran is a threat to Israel, there is surely no threat to America in Iran's tin-pot military forces, nuclear development program, or shitty public diplomacy. No, the threat to the United States comes from two sources. First, the relentless "Iran is the new Nazi Germany" propaganda pushed by Israel and the American citizen Israel-firsters. The governing elite like Rick Perry who foist these expensive and potentially war-causing absurdities upon the American people.

The nation-state of Israel is an enormous burden to the treasury and security of the United States, and Washington's current relationship with Israel ? sanctioned by the AIPAC-funded political leaders of both parties ? is one of several factors that are leading to full-scale American participation in other peoples' religious wars.

Yes, the Palestinians have the right to liberty and even the pursuit of happiness. However, they do not have the right to self determination. No race does.

I mentioned the Basque earlier as an example, but there are dozens of others. What about the Amish? Currently the Amish have been living in the United States and Canada. What if the Amish suddenly decided they wanted the right to self determination, to be able to rule themselves? Maybe they have that right, but the problem is they don't have the land - they live in the United States and Canada. The United States isn't about to turn over two thirds of the state of Pennsylvania just so the Amish can have their own country. Instead, they live in the US and live under US law (and Canadian law I guess) while still observing their customs, practices, and laws.

The Palestinians have the right to form their own country in the land that they currently occupy. Great for them. But the problem is once they form a country with a real government, they will be subject to international law and the responsibilities that comes with it. Which means the next time a rocket or missile is fired from Palestine, Israel will have the legal right to strike back. And again, we can plainly see that Israel is trying to grab land, the moment the country of Palestine attacks Israel with a rocket or missile, Israel will invade Palestine and bitch smack them - and take as much land as they want in the process.

It's a no win situation.