Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18434856)

Dear anti-Semite, we don't reward terrorists with statehood. The end

Originally Posted by Just Alex (Post 18435010)

Where is TheDemon on this one? Somebody page little fucker an tell him that internet needs him. There are more important things than spamming skype users with viagra.

Originally Posted by Lucy - CSC (Post 18434183)

porno jew ignores video evidence which he cant call bullshit to which clearly shows what a vile terrorist country Israel is

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18434856)

Dear anti-Semite, we don't reward terrorists with statehood

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 18431882)

I don't think Israeli is without fault here. They are trying to grab as much land as they can.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18431944)

Which didn't count for squat when the Babylonians invaded Israel and again enslaved the in Babylon and they decided to write the Talmud while there. And tell it the way they wanted it to be.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18431944)

So basically, this tribe of wandering nomads, grew big enough to conquer the Canaanites land, kill all who stood in their way and they were blameless, because God told them to.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18431944)

It's a book of fiction which they base their rights on.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18431944)

It was always home to Jews, Christians and Muslims. Now Israel wants to change that.

Originally Posted by Shotsie (Post 18435043)

I don't think that many Americans realize that our unquestioning and undying support for Israel is one of the major reasons why we're a target for Islamic terrorists, The nature of our relationship with Israel is undeniably a key motivating factor for our Islamist enemies. It looks very hypocritical and contradictory on our part when we publicly espouse democracy while privately supporting Arab tyranny-the Saudis, the Kuwaitis, and other regimes in the region. The other area is Israel and Palestine. We don't need to abandon the Israelis but we need to reestablish the relationship so it looks like we're the great power and they're our ally, and not the other way around. Prime Minister Sharon should be bluntly told that if he wants U.S. support and protection to remain at current levels, now is the moment – and perhaps the final moment – to terminate the endless peace process and form two states. We need to create a situation where moderate Muslims can express support for the United States without being laughed at.

Ultimately, the question of whether or not we should throw our full support behind Israel should be left up to the American people and not government bureaucrats. Unfortunately, anybody who tries to bring this topic up for debate is labeled an anti-semite. Israel and its American supporters have made discussing the issue of Israel difficult and politically dangerous in the United States with the word "anti-semite", a term which is so often hurled at Americans by Americans to preempt debate on the U.S.-Israeli relationship. What do we get out of our support for Israel is the question we should be asking ourselves.

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 18435091)

Markham knows his history.
:drinkup

Originally Posted by Shotsie (Post 18435043)

I don't think that many Americans realize that our unquestioning and undying support for Israel is one of the major reasons why we're a target for Islamic terrorists, The nature of our relationship with Israel is undeniably a key motivating factor for our Islamist enemies. It looks very hypocritical and contradictory on our part when we publicly espouse democracy while privately supporting Arab tyranny-the Saudis, the Kuwaitis, and other regimes in the region. The other area is Israel and Palestine. We don't need to abandon the Israelis but we need to reestablish the relationship so it looks like we're the great power and they're our ally, and not the other way around. Prime Minister Sharon should be bluntly told that if he wants U.S. support and protection to remain at current levels, now is the moment ? and perhaps the final moment ? to terminate the endless peace process and form two states. We need to create a situation where moderate Muslims can express support for the United States without being laughed at.

Ultimately, the question of whether or not we should throw our full support behind Israel should be left up to the American people and not government beaurocrats. Unfortunately, anybody who tries to bring this topic up for debate is labeled an anti-semite. Israel and its American supporters have made discussing the issue of Israel difficult and politically dangerous in the United States with the word "anti-semite", a term which is so often hurled at Americans by Americans to preempt debate on the U.S.-Israeli relationship. What do we get out of our support for Israel is the question we should be asking ourselves.

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18435377)

Muslim scum don't dictate US policy. If they don't like our allies, too bad.
As has been shown a few times now, we'll simply bomb the savages back to the stone age.

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18435377)

Muslim scum don't dictate US policy. If they don't like our allies, too bad.
As has been shown a few times now, we'll simply bomb the savages back to the stone age.

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18435377)

Muslim scum don't dictate US policy. If they don't like our allies, too bad.
As has been shown a few times now, we'll simply bomb the savages back to the stone age.

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18435377)

Muslim scum don't dictate US policy. If they don't like our allies, too bad.
As has been shown a few times now, we'll simply bomb the savages back to the stone age.

Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 18439336)

If Iran or a rogue terrorist were to nuke Israel off the map, what changes do you believe, would occur in the world?

Originally Posted by joshgirls (Post 18432898)

do you really think that? what then do you say to thomas jefferson...

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

do the palestinians have a right to liberty?

Originally Posted by Shotsie (Post 18441365)

While Iran is a threat to Israel

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 18441925)

The Palestinians have the right to form their own country in the land that they currently occupy. Great for them. But the problem is once they form a country with a real government, they will be subject to international law and the responsibilities that comes with it. Which means the next time a rocket or missile is fired from Palestine, Israel will have the legal right to strike back. And again, we can plainly see that Israel is trying to grab land, the moment the country of Palestine attacks Israel with a rocket or missile, Israel will invade Palestine and bitch smack them - and take as much land as they want in the process.

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18434856)

Dear anti-Semite, we don't reward terrorists with statehood. The end

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18431944)

Good answer.

And there's more. The Israelis will have to get out of the land they occupied by putting towns and farms on stolen land, which makes the "defense" excuse void. No one puts houses and farms on land that's a buffer between you and your enemies unless you're pretty sure they can't or won't do squat.

The problem goes way back and based on the Old Testament.

Abraham, I told you it goes way back, was the head of a nomadic tribe of herdsman. Him and his cousin Lott fell out and Lott left the tribe and took his family to Sodom. We know that part. Well Lott and his two surviving daughters were alone in a cave and had sex. The girls got pregnant and the 2 sons were the fathers of the Canaanites.

So fast forward a few centuries.

Moses took the Children of Israel from Egypt, you know that one as well. Then God told them the land of the Canaanites was theres and they were to kill all the Canaanites who opposed them. Even gave them the plans to The Ark which was a Weapon of Mass Destruction and made walls fall down so they could kill the Canaanites and all their goats, beasts and dogs also. On Gods orders to take the land he had given them.

Also empowered people like Joshua, David and Solomon and all the rest to make sure they kept the land they were given by God.

Which didn't count for squat when the Babylonians invaded Israel and again enslaved the in Babylon and they decided to write the Talmud while there. And tell it the way they wanted it to be.

So basically, this tribe of wandering nomads, grew big enough to conquer the Canaanites land, kill all who stood in their way and they were blameless, because God told them to. :upsidedow

Of course if you look for actual evidence of what's in the Old Testament in Exodus, you find an amazing lack of evidence to back it up. The Egyptian never wrote a thing about Moses and all that part, plagues were and are common in that part of the world. Joshua lived at the wrong time for the bringing down the walls of Jericho, which was built on a fault line and suffered from earth quakes and a lot more of his conquests are bogus claims, no one has ever found proof or evidence of the Ark, Sodom and Gomorrah can be explained easily. The region is covered with oil and gas deposits.

It's a book of fiction which they base their rights on.

If you look at the history of Israel, the Israelis have no real rights to it. Definitely not on the wishes of any God. They stole it from one tribe, repeatedly could never keep it until they got massive support from the US. The number of people who occupied the land include the Egyptians, Babylonians, Hittites, Romans, Christians, Muslims, Turks, Germans, English and now a bunch of Jewish nomads from mainly Europe and then across the world and now call it their homeland.

It was always home to Jews, Christians and Muslims. Now Israel wants to change that.

Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 18441971)

Well if there's no difference, why not let them have it? The real objection of Israel is that if they're committing their atrocities against people in a recognized state, that state can hold them accountable internationally.

Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 18442180)

On a per person basis, I wonder how many Americans really give 2 shits about Israel.

My guess is at least 80% of the people in the US just think it's one big fucking pain in our ass. The politicians however, need to keep up their retarded support, for so many corrupt and obnoxious reasons.

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18435377)

Muslim scum don't dictate US policy. If they don't like our allies, too bad.
As has been shown a few times now, we'll simply bomb the savages back to the stone age.