Why can't you just smoke weed and admit that it kills people and that it's just drugs? Nobody will blame you for that man.
Stop being so defensive.

uhhh I'm not aware of calling anyone ignorant, what are you on?

Asserting your opinion is not an argument. If you are right, then you can prove it, or at least support your opinion. So, step up to the computer and find data that supports your opinion.

It's not rocket science, it's just search. Kids can do it.

Sorry, did too much pot in my life.
I thought you were him :)

Sorry but you have to be at least slightly retarded to believe no one ever died in a car accident because they were stoned.

I don't smoke weed at all anymore, just a personal choice. Some of you are so slow though it's amazing. Franck is right there at the top of that list.

What they're trying to show with this is that deaths DIRECTLY ATTRIBUTED to Marijuana is zero. That is, nobody is smoking a joint and ends up dead from that action. Once you start adding in other factors, like car accidents where somebody may have been stoned you've lost site of the point.

What they're trying to demonstate that is things like smoking, booze and yes even peanuts kill people every year all by themselves, and thus as direct contributors to death they are clearly more dangerous than Marijuana. That's it, end of point. You can't dispute that because it's true. Nobody is in here arguing it's a miracle drug, or it's good for you, or anything else. When you start bringing stuff up like that you're deflecting from the original point.

Trying to argue that people get stoned and cause car accidents and thus Marijuana is inherently dangerous is just a stupid argument. Of course that happens. People also die because they cause car accidents while using their cellular phones. Does that make cellular phones in and of themselves dangerous? No of course not.

True, except the 85,000 attributed to alcohol deaths has to include driving while under the influence not just people dropping dead while drinking beer.

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Yeah you're right that alcohol deaths are inflated in that manner. Cigarette, homicide and peanuts probably not.

If you eliminate the deaths from car crashes, which should have been done to make the point they're trying to make, the remaining number of deaths directly attributed to booze is still pretty high. :2 cents:

Here's a better representation of the numbers

It's not for the USA, it's for France but it at least gives some actual numbers based on real measurments.

Of course people stoned driving cars cause fatalities, that's a no brainer.

I think the deaths mean "directly medically related".

Alcohol has surely killed people by being abused. Ever hear of alcohol poisoning?

No one has ever died because of weed overdose.

Maybe stupid people were already stupid before they started smoking and they are using weed as a scapegoat. :2 cents:

yeah warchild is right, hopefully the main thing the op was trying to emphasis was that are plenty more harmful things than pot

And lets examine that. Their conclusion was that cannabis use resulted in 2.5% of fatalities because thc was found in the sytems of 10,748 drivers involved in fatal crashes. That conclusion is inherently flawed for obvious reasons, the biggest being that marijuana will stay in someones system for weeks after use. This has been a huge debate here in Colorado as lawmakers are continually attempting to put on the books a legal limit for marijuana and driving, as there is for alcohol, but every time they do evidence is presented that shows how much does stay in your system when a person is actually sober and the bill gets killed. http://blogs.westword.com/latestword...ood_te st.php

I am not advocating smoking and driving, nor do I think it makes one a better driver like frank has implied. But it does not effect ones motor skills like other substances and in no way should be compared to alcohol when it comes to driving or anything else for that matter.

Oh god, not another one of these childish threads. Hey, if you want to smoke pot all day, go ahead and do it. No need to spread propaganda to make yourself feel better about inhaling smoke with tar and carbon monoxide.

Next time you clean out your bowl take a long look at all the black resign building up in there. Yeah, only half of it ends up in the bowl, take a guess where the other half accumulates.

When someone dies of lung cancer who's been smoking weed for 10 years, no doctor correlates the source to specifically smoking marijuana. Inhaling marijuana in-general deteriorates your health in many aspects, but no doctor is going to say his official death was from smoking weed. When someone inhales carbon monoxide for 10 years and dies of a heart attack, again, no one correlates it to weed although it could have been the primary cause. Therefore there could 100s of thousands of deaths from Marijuana, just not Marijuana overdoses which is virtually impossible.

Don't let hearsay cloud your judgment. I had a grandparent who smoked cigarettes and drank everyday of his life and lived to be 81. That doesn't mean you will.

Marijuana is definitely safer than a lot of drugs out there, but that doesn't mean it's perfectly harmless, or safer than fucking peanuts. I mean seriously...

Sure, there are pot-RELATED deaths, just like being killed while drunk is a drinking-RELATED death. Scirrosis of the liver would be a death CAUSED BY drinking. So is the car accident "caused" by drinking? Yes and no, depends on what point of view you are looking at this from.


Pot will not hurt you. SHHHHH! Don't tell the kids (they gotta wait til 18 to find this out for themselves heh heh)


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i cant afford merry-joanna... :(

i love marijuana too!

yeah, that poster is just plain stupid. only peanuts are harmful if you are allergic. i'd imagine if you are allergic to thc, marijuana could be just as bad.

i know a lot of people have been smoking weed for 10 years or more, easily and no one has lung cancer yet. not to say they never will as many of them are smokers as well but just consider the amount of marijuana smoked compared to cigarettes. 3 bongtokes (water filtered) is all it takes to get high. compare that to say 50 puffs from 1 cigarette, though most people don't just smoke one cigarette but on average 8-10 per day, if not more. also you are smoking a lot of bleached paper with the cigarettes. of course inhaling any smoke isn't good for you but the sheer difference in usage between cigarettes and marijuana makes it very hard to compare.

gotta holler bullshit on this one.... models that smoke weed are so fucked up they can't even focus on the camera...

could be its not the only thing they are on but yes driving while high is very stupid. not as dangerous as drunk driving but still dangerous.

Fuck smoking it...I prefer some nice pot cupcakes. Better delivery system anyway.

fuckin right...

weed stays in the system for 30 days

it's a no brainer that the study is a bit flawed, no?

Actually as far as I understand it, while not perfect it is not fundamentally flawed either.

While traces of weed can stay in your system that long, the concentration declines rapidly without use. That is to say that somebody who has just smoked a joint in the last couple of hours will have significatly higher concentration levels than somebody that smoked a join two weeks ago.

2 years back Diane Schuler drove the wrong way on the taconic parkway, causing a crash that killed 8 people. The po-lice claimed, based on blood tests, that she allegedly smoked a joint as recently as 15 minutes before death. She was also drinking vodka.

So what do you blame for her judgement...the alcohol or the pot...she drove drunk for 2 hours, but smoked a joint & 15 minutes later started driving north on a southbound highway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Ta..._Parkway_crash

No shit. I haven't touched the stuff in years but I remember smoking some stuff one time and I had a hard time even getting out of my chair for an hour or so. No way I could drive on it safely.

well if you get drunk and then smoke weed, that can mess you up pretty good. as far as pot being in your system, if you aren't drunk or on other drugs, you can smoke a joint and in a couple hours be straight again. it might still show up good in tests but that doesn't mean you are still feeling the effects in any way. it can also effect different people differently. some can't handle it at all. i know some people who just puke if they smoke and some who can smoke and smoke and seemingly have no visible effect.

....aaaand i have discovered i have no interest in a scientific argument.

so, sir, i give consent to tell me to 'go fuck myself', whilst i point out that if the very few cases of drivers being influenced by marijuana enough to lose the paranoia of hitting something and having to deal with cops

it's a good bet that person is in a 'weird and hard to categorize' group anyway

http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2010/03...67.338354.jpeg

:2 cents:

Weed is lot safer then alcohol, but it should be moderated by the user. I have friends who smoke weed all day long and it doesn't do them any good. Smoking from time to time is indeed a good way to have fun. wanna link to my growing weed sites? ;)

who gives a shit, just keep smoking

wheres the graph that shows peanuts are Safer than Marijuana

Lots of ignorant folks in this thread.

Noob.
Why do you think they call it dope?

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you can argue the good or the bad with this. Either way I have a hard time believing the death rate is 0.

Everybody knows this. Even the potsmokers. Everybody but the topicstarter. He's still living in his little weed fantasyworld.