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Shap 09-30-2011 03:59 PM
Times are tough for most of the industry but people who know how to sell are still selling and doing well. You figure out how to sell a certain type of traffic and then you acquire as much of that traffic that you possibly can.

Shap 09-30-2011 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 19teenporn (Post 18461802)
I don't seem to understand. Meanwhile your whole site's full scenes are being offered for free on thousands of warez forums and illegal tubes.

I, as an affiliate, just din't get it...
First of all I don't own any sites. So you are talking about someone else's stuff.

What don't you get?

Caligari 09-30-2011 04:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shap (Post 18461782)
Who said anything about sending to a tube site?

I think you completely missed the point. Are you an affiliate or paysite owner? There are people getting rich off tube traffic. When I was preparing and planning our future it was obvious that if I wanted Twistys to maintain it's position in the market and have a bright future we were going to have to be really good at acquiring and monetizing tube traffic. It should be noted my goals and plans with Twistys were not to make a decent living. I always wanted to be at the top. You can't have the goal of being one of the biggest sites and not be willing to learn how the biggest source of traffic can be turned into a huge opportunity.

Obviously if you own a paysite and are perfectly happy making what you are now without making money on tube traffic then by all means tell me to gfy. I'm just trying to help those that are ambitious.
Ambition does not need to follow the herd to the lowest common denominator, which is the tube model. This is not being a leader, it's being a follower.
When the content on your site (tube) is not the content you are selling, this is a serious problem.
You said this-
Quote:
Point 6. The success of most paysites will depend on how well they can buy traffic and make money from it. 5 years ago you could do very well relying heavily on affiliates to help you build your business. That is no longer true. To be one of the leaders in the industry, more than ever, you have to be able to acquire and make money from traffic on your own. No more relying on affiliates.
The thing you are missing is that affiliates make the traffic on their own and they send it to programs to make money with their targeted traffic. (some of this is purchased traffic, although i personally have never bought traffic)
If you stop relying on affiliates to at least send you a fair percentage of sign ups, this is a huge mistake imo.

Of course I am fine with everyone getting deeper and deeper into the tube world because as i know now, the saturation levels are hitting and the only thing to do is to try to find ways of monetizing traffic which should have been paying off on selling the content on the tube in the first place.

This kind of ideology cannot last.

Unless.

Are there any big tubes right now that make the majority of their money with the content uploaded on the tube, as in selling the product which is the site's content?

19teenporn 09-30-2011 04:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shap (Post 18461809)
First of all I don't own any sites. So you are talking about someone else's stuff.

What don't you get?
Sorry then..

Thanks for your time tho'

SZNY 09-30-2011 04:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shap (Post 18461771)
DAMN that's a hard one. You don't want to start learning on paid tube traffic, that's a fast track way to blowing all your money imo. You'd want to find your best selling site, get some free tube exposure and make sure it's your best selling tube site and start small and start hitting hit with more and more traffic.
TNX for the advise! Well we share basically the same thoughts :)

We will start next week to launch a serie of 9 pay sites but focus with marketing only on the multi-pass site and two others.

Our strategy is partly start with media buying (see which networks converts for us), launch 3 own tubes, 10 blog sites and offer cross media features to cams and dating.

For all scenes we have previews which we want to inject in existing tubes.

I strongly believe that it takes time and that building your brand is the most important.

19teenporn 09-30-2011 04:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SZNY (Post 18461844)
TNX for the advise! Well we share basically the same thoughts :)

We will start next week to launch a serie of 9 pay sites but focus with marketing only on the multi-pass site and two others.

Our strategy is partly start with media buying (see which networks converts for us), launch 3 own tubes, 10 blog sites and offer cross media features to cams and dating.

For all scenes we have previews which we want to inject in existing tubes.

I strongly believe that it takes time and that building your brand is the most important.
Will those scenes be enough to make a tube with just your content?

Give a lot of flvs, update frequently and you have another tube promoting you.

Shap 09-30-2011 04:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 19teenporn (Post 18461835)
Sorry then..

Thanks for your time tho'
I can try to explain from the affiliate program owner point of view. What part do you not understand?

Why don't you take the approach i suggested?

Shap 09-30-2011 04:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Caligari (Post 18461833)
Ambition does not need to follow the herd to the lowest common denominator, which is the tube model. This is not being a leader, it's being a follower.
When the content on your site (tube) is not the content you are selling, this is a serious problem.
You said this-


The thing you are missing is that affiliates make the traffic on their own and they send it to programs to make money with their targeted traffic. (some of this is purchased traffic, although i personally have never bought traffic)
If you stop relying on affiliates to at least send you a fair percentage of sign ups, this is a huge mistake imo.

Of course I am fine with everyone getting deeper and deeper into the tube world because as i know now, the saturation levels are hitting and the only thing to do is to try to find ways of monetizing traffic which should have been paying off on selling the content on the tube in the first place.

This kind of ideology cannot last.

Unless.

Are there any big tubes right now that make the majority of their money with the content uploaded on the tube, as in selling the product which is the site's content?
Most programs relied on affiliates for the MAJORITY of sales. Affiliates were never the majority of our sales and I believe that is a huge reason we continued to be successful during the downturn most people experienced.

Since you obviously disagree with my suggestions what are your suggestions?

Also, you never answered (although you pretty much did from your replies) whether you are an affiliate or paysite owner.

Caligari 09-30-2011 04:28 PM
Look, it should be obvious to everyone what is happening right now.
You see all of these big players buying up tubes to dump all of their content on them in order to control a larger share of traffic.
Okay.
It also should be apparent that many of these companies are no longer converting with their sites the way they used to. As a matter of fact, far less.

So what is the problem here? Much of the new content I see is great, well done and yet its harder and harder to sell...

But it's not about the paysite model per se, it's really about the kind of content being sold (saturation- niche saturation) and the cookie cutter look so many paysites now have.

So in the end you can control a larger piece of the traffic pie with tubes but what happened to the idea of producing the content which people love to buy?

What is the endgame? Mass production of tube sites that all start looking the same because they are the same because they have the same content which starts boring the shit out of people or...

The idea that content is still king?

The idea that being ambitious or a leader in this biz is actually sprung from the creation side and not from the McPorn side of the equation.

SZNY 09-30-2011 04:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 19teenporn (Post 18461849)
Will those scenes be enough to make a tube with just your content?

Give a lot of flvs, update frequently and you have another tube promoting you.
Well we have around 400 scenes (3 min clips) and will continuously add new ones related to new full episodes on the pay sites.

I will contact you when we start :) we are now fixing the last things.

Caligari 09-30-2011 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 18461861)
Also, you never answered (although you pretty much did from your replies) whether you are an affiliate or paysite owner.
Missed that. Primarily an affiliate although i have a few small paysites.

As far as suggestions on the tube site model...stop putting full length videos on tube sites.
Make people pay to watch them.
If the content is compelling enough they will buy them.
Maybe the focus or "thinking out of the box" should be how to trigger people's response to subscribe based upon the dynamics of a given page with a video embed.

Shap 09-30-2011 05:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Caligari (Post 18461874)
Look, it should be obvious to everyone what is happening right now.
You see all of these big players buying up tubes to dump all of their content on them in order to control a larger share of traffic.
Okay.
It also should be apparent that many of these companies are no longer converting with their sites the way they used to. As a matter of fact, far less.

So what is the problem here? Much of the new content I see is great, well done and yet its harder and harder to sell...

But it's not about the paysite model per se, it's really about the kind of content being sold (saturation- niche saturation) and the cookie cutter look so many paysites now have.

So in the end you can control a larger piece of the traffic pie with tubes but what happened to the idea of producing the content which people love to buy?

What is the endgame? Mass production of tube sites that all start looking the same because they are the same because they have the same content which starts boring the shit out of people or...

The idea that content is still king?

The idea that being ambitious or a leader in this biz is actually sprung from the creation side and not from the McPorn side of the equation.
You think companies are buying the tubes to dump their content on it? I can tell you right now the companies doing that are not the ones you'll be hearing about in the next 5 years.

Shap 09-30-2011 05:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Caligari (Post 18461874)
Look, it should be obvious to everyone what is happening right now.
You see all of these big players buying up tubes to dump all of their content on them in order to control a larger share of traffic.
Okay.
It also should be apparent that many of these companies are no longer converting with their sites the way they used to. As a matter of fact, far less.

So what is the problem here? Much of the new content I see is great, well done and yet its harder and harder to sell...

But it's not about the paysite model per se, it's really about the kind of content being sold (saturation- niche saturation) and the cookie cutter look so many paysites now have.

So in the end you can control a larger piece of the traffic pie with tubes but what happened to the idea of producing the content which people love to buy?

What is the endgame? Mass production of tube sites that all start looking the same because they are the same because they have the same content which starts boring the shit out of people or...

The idea that content is still king?

The idea that being ambitious or a leader in this biz is actually sprung from the creation side and not from the McPorn side of the equation.
We can talk all day about the paysite model. It is same as it was 10 years ago. Same offering, same price, same everything. All that while the web has moved on. No site that was big 10 years ago is still big today without having evolved. If you stand still and do nothing different you can't expect to be the same size tomorrow as you are today.

Robbie 09-30-2011 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 18461948)
No site that was big 10 years ago is still big today without having evolved. If you stand still and do nothing different you can't expect to be the same size tomorrow as you are today.
That's true. But how much of that is "evolving" (implying some great leap forward) and how much of it is the simple business truth that neither you or I nor anyone in the world wants to pay for something that everyone else gets for free?

I can definitely see how to make money with the traffic. But I kinda like being in the PORN biz. heh-heh
Selling ad spots and/or making all my money on cams isn't being in the porn biz in my humble opinion.

Shap 09-30-2011 05:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Caligari (Post 18461877)
Missed that. Primarily an affiliate although i have a few small paysites.

As far as suggestions on the tube site model...stop putting full length videos on tube sites.
Make people pay to watch them.
If the content is compelling enough they will buy them.
Maybe the focus or "thinking out of the box" should be how to trigger people's response to subscribe based upon the dynamics of a given page with a video embed.
I give you xhamster to run tomorrow. It's making a mil a month. Are you going to pull all the full length clips from it?

Take it from somebody who was in the industry and started small with no money no connections and fought his way up until he eventually cashed out. The only person you have to worry about is yourself because ABSOLUTELY NOBODY ELSE gives a shit about you. If you are out of business tomorrow nobody cares. For too long I worried about what's best for the industry. No one person is going to change this biz for the better. We can each make our contributions here and there but in the long run you have to worry about yourself and make sure you are taken care of.

Shap 09-30-2011 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 18461953)
That's true. But how much of that is "evolving" (implying some great leap forward) and how much of it is the simple business truth that neither you or I nor anyone in the world wants to pay for something that everyone else gets for free?

I can definitely see how to make money with the traffic. But I kinda like being in the PORN biz. heh-heh
Selling ad spots and/or making all my money on cams isn't being in the porn biz in my humble opinion.
If Claudia's site was exactly as it was even 5 years ago would you be enjoying the success you are enjoying today? I'm speaking strictly about the site itself and not it's surroundings. Obviously sometimes the environment you are in will change so drastically that you have to as well or you will be out of business. Blockbuster had the movie rental market. They were killing it. Now they are all boarded up and out of business (at least in canada they are).

Robbie 09-30-2011 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 18461959)
If Claudia's site was exactly as it was even 5 years ago would you be enjoying the success you are enjoying today?
Heck no. First thing I had to do was protect my content. That changed things for us dramatically almost 3 years ago. If I hadn't white knuckled it and made the decision to go with a protected stream (and risk losing all my members and rebills) I don't think I'd be in business today.

And then I decided to turn the tour and members area into a "tube" and hacked up my mech bunny script to do my bidding. That was in 2008...and again was a big leap of faith.

And of course we started streaming our own weekly free live cam show starting in 2007 with everything self contained (not using ANY third party company to do it).

So yeah, I've always been about making a paysite that I personally would enjoy. And we are able to monetize it and get traffic in ways that 99% of paysites can't (the aformentioned fact that every major traffic site has a streamate white label and we sell memberships to claudiamarie.com with one click off of streamate...the most targeted traffic EVER) and that also includes our ability to do things virally and social network-wise that most "big" paysites simply can't do.

So yeah, I've "evolved".
But piracy and full scenes for free still affect me.
They destroyed the affiliate business for paysites. And they have taken away God only knows how much money that we all would be making from spur of the moment impulse and middle of the night drunk sales that this industry used to make millions with.

Anyway...your last comment:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shap (Post 18461954)
The only person you have to worry about is yourself because ABSOLUTELY NOBODY ELSE gives a shit about you.
Now THAT is universal wisdom. Whether it's the adult biz, the car business, insurance salesman, or a kid with a lemonade stand. :)

Shap 09-30-2011 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous (Post 18461801)
Send you the video that ended up on the tube site? And you can visit the autumnriley.com to see the tour. I have a pretty good understanding of all the flaws my tour has currently and how i could better it, I just don't think i could turn 1000 dollars in tube traffic to 1000 dollars in sales by making small changes. If currently tube traffic hasn't converted anything for myself or other owners i speak to on a regular basis. Especially given the amount of traffic we've tested with so far

I believe it was a higher quality version of this video, but it was on tube8 or one of their larger tubes.

http://xogogo.com/videos/16039/autum...he-mirror.html
Here is my thinking. You are charging $25 a month straight up. No other options for a site that updates sometimes twice a week sometimes once a week. Right? Right off the bat that has to be a problem. Twistys was charging $25 a month and updating 2 full scenes and 3 full photosets every single day. If Autumn is a catch and something worth joining then you have to have cheaper options to get them in and wet their appetite. What about a lite version with a few full scenes for a $1? What about selling off the HQ picture zips you talk about?

The tour itself does nothing to enhance and entice the surfer further after your video. The video is amateur and very real feeling and the tour is anything but.

Those are just a few. I'm not at all surprised you haven't seen results but I don't think it's impossible for you to see results with that girl to a paysite of her. I think my idea in particular would work really well with her. If the landing page looked nice but much more amateur and had 3 or 4 images of similar looking girls that are on cams right now you could start making money right there.

Also, I'd make your watermark easier to read.

Shap 09-30-2011 05:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 18461993)
Heck no. First thing I had to do was protect my content. That changed things for us dramatically almost 3 years ago. If I hadn't white knuckled it and made the decision to go with a protected stream (and risk losing all my members and rebills) I don't think I'd be in business today.

And then I decided to turn the tour and members area into a "tube" and hacked up my mech bunny script to do my bidding. That was in 2008...and again was a big leap of faith.

And of course we started streaming our own weekly free live cam show starting in 2007 with everything self contained (not using ANY third party company to do it).

So yeah, I've always been about making a paysite that I personally would enjoy. And we are able to monetize it and get traffic in ways that 99% of paysites can't (the aformentioned fact that every major traffic site has a streamate white label and we sell memberships to claudiamarie.com with one click off of streamate...the most targeted traffic EVER) and that also includes our ability to do things virally and social network-wise that most "big" paysites simply can't do.

So yeah, I've "evolved".
But piracy and full free scenes for free still affect me.
They destroyed the affiliate business for paysites. And they have taken away God only knows how much money that we all would be making from spur of the moment impulse and middle of the night drunk sales that this industry used to make millions with.

Anyway...you're last comment:


Now THAT is universal wisdom. Whether it's the adult biz, the car business, insurance salesman, or a kid with a lemonade stand. :)
That's my point. Your hard work and smart decisions have resulted in you not only surviving but enjoying continued success with CM. Most people here want continued success without putting in the effort you and I have always put in. They want things to go back the way they were.

And absolutely tubes have changed the game. The current environment is scary as all hell. There hasn't been a single moment where I have had any regret in selling the business and the main reason is where things are and where they are going.

Shap 09-30-2011 05:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SZNY (Post 18461730)
interesting ideas, Shap what would you suggest for new pay sites start ups related to getting exposure on tubes vs investment budgets ?
Keep your budget at a level that you are happy losing it all. The initial testing phase is hard. I've always been cheap on that phase and prefer to test with free traffic over paid traffic.

Shap 09-30-2011 05:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 19teenporn (Post 18461710)
How about an answer for me?
It's funny I gave you the solution to the problem you've been complaining about and you completely ignore it and don't even comment on it. How come? Too much work?

gideongallery 09-30-2011 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 18461275)
Here is an idea I had for Twistys. We never had a chance to implement and try it. I don't know if it would work. Feel free to try it and if it works or you want to try and want to bounce ideas off me hit me up :winkwink:

I'll type this out with the points that led and formed the idea.

Point 1. In order for Twistys to have a bright future I felt it was important that we be able to have a strong presence on Tube sites and be able to make money from it. Just uploading videos wouldn't be enough. We also had to be able to buy ad spots and make money from it.

Point 2. Tours are relatively unchanged in the past 5 years which is absolutely mind blowing when you think about it. Things have changed so much in the past 5 years but not how paysites are sold.

Point 3. Tube sites offer huge exposure for your brand. There has never been a greater opportunity to get your brand to more eyeballs than ever before. The key is being effective in how you get your brand out there.

Point 4. The competition is greater than ever. Instead of worrying about just your paysite competition you now have to worry about all the tubes that offer a product (for free) that may actually be superior to a product you are charging for.

Point 5. Paysites are not the item tube surfers are most likely to buy. We all know that. Tube sites are not surviving on Paysite ad sales or paysite revenues.

Point 6. The success of most paysites will depend on how well they can buy traffic and make money from it. 5 years ago you could do very well relying heavily on affiliates to help you build your business. That is no longer true. To be one of the leaders in the industry, more than ever, you have to be able to acquire and make money from traffic on your own. No more relying on affiliates.

Those are a few points to give you an idea of how i viewed the situation and came up with the idea.

If a surfer lands on Twistys from a tube site the only way I make money from them is if they become a Twistys monthly member. I was completely limiting the amount of money I could make from those surfers. We were able to convert the traffic but nowhere near a level that would allow us to start spending money on ad spots, which translated to me being able to stay in business today but not making any strides to being successful and competitive in the future.

My Idea
I wanted to change our tour to sell multiple Twistys branded products and do our best to try to direct the traffic to the right area right off the bat. You land on the tour and have the options to go in a few directions.

Like our Twistys Videos? Click here to enter our Twistys Videos Section
Like our Models and want to chat with them? Click here for Twistys Cams
Like our Pictures and would like to see more? Click here for a Twistys Pictures section
Want to date one of our Models? Click here for Twistys Dating

The idea is the landing page pushes what the Twistys Brand is about (Beautiful Women) but also expands and gives us a chance to make money on the most popular products that are selling on Tube sites. Cams are selling? We build a sales section of the tour devoted to selling to people that like cams. Penis Pills selling we build a section to sell that.

In each section you then cater to selling that section. Pictures sell very different than Videos. A lot of our members collect pictures. Many of them of one specific model. Why not offer the ability to buy all the sets of that one model, or let them buy one zip to complete their collection. You then do the same for each offering you have.

My thinking was if I spent $10,000 on tube ad spots there was a good chance I would only be able to make $2000 to $5000 in Twistys monthly memberships off that ad. If I could add another $2500 in cams sales, another $1000 in micro option sales, and another $1000 in hot product sales that gets me a lot closer to my initial investment and makes it viable to increase my ad buys.

Here's another thing you can do. A new killer selling site comes out why not capitalize on it? Let's say BangBros launches a new site that is selling gangbusters. Get on board and either sell a banner spot or send via their program. So you have your initial Twistys offerings and below those you push the new hot site. The key is making as much money as possible while growing your brand.

Sorry for the long post. I thought the more ideas background information I included would help someone develop on this :winkwink:

What do you guys think?
your almost there


Caligari 09-30-2011 06:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shap (Post 18461954)
I give you xhamster to run tomorrow. It's making a mil a month. Are you going to pull all the full length clips from it?
Well then...I would shut it down.
https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1024592
If it wasn't enough about the accusations of stolen content on Xhamster, the other posted proof of illegal videos on that thread should make anyone think twice.

Sadly it does not.

Don't get me wrong, money is a good thing but I definitely have my limits Shap.

Achmed 09-30-2011 06:22 PM
You have business models for website that sell grenades?

I have 3000 left overs from last arms convention.

How much to pay affiliates?

Shap 09-30-2011 06:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Caligari (Post 18462046)
Well then...I would shut it down.
https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1024592
If it wasn't enough about the accusations of stolen content on Xhamster, the other posted proof of illegal videos on that thread should make anyone think twice.

Sadly it does not.

Don't get me wrong, money is a good thing but I definitely have my limits Shap.
I understand that. I've had this conversation with those close to me many times. The reality is whatever your beliefs are as to right or wrong nothing will change what others in the industry do. The only thing you can do is push as hard as you possible can without the limits and risks you are willing to take.

Pseudonymous 09-30-2011 06:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shap (Post 18461994)
Here is my thinking. You are charging $25 a month straight up. No other options for a site that updates sometimes twice a week sometimes once a week. Right? Right off the bat that has to be a problem. Twistys was charging $25 a month and updating 2 full scenes and 3 full photosets every single day. If Autumn is a catch and something worth joining then you have to have cheaper options to get them in and wet their appetite. What about a lite version with a few full scenes for a $1? What about selling off the HQ picture zips you talk about?

The tour itself does nothing to enhance and entice the surfer further after your video. The video is amateur and very real feeling and the tour is anything but.

Those are just a few. I'm not at all surprised you haven't seen results but I don't think it's impossible for you to see results with that girl to a paysite of her. I think my idea in particular would work really well with her. If the landing page looked nice but much more amateur and had 3 or 4 images of similar looking girls that are on cams right now you could start making money right there.

Also, I'd make your watermark easier to read.
Yeah i agree with all of those tips for sure, the video and photography was done by my photographer and its what i had to deal with, more amateur video and more professional photography. Luckily i have taken over in that department.

Well i wouldn't say offering a cheaper alternative is an answer for most, i really think a high percentage of customers only signup once, gather all the content and come down after 6-12 months to download all the newest stuff. Atleast thats what i gather from my website and the other owners i speak to. So if you offer a cheap alternative to get their feet wet, you'll end up losing to the people who download everything they can and cancel. Its especially a bad idea for a solo girl website that doesn't offer webcam shows.

Yeah the watermark issue has bugged me for quite some time, though i haven't done anything about it and very much need to do so.

I haven't dabbled in selling zip sets to be honest but i will be doing so in the near future for sure.

I do agree alot of those things will increase revenues and good tips for obtaining more sales from the free traffic. But i really dont think it can make bought traffic worth it, how much would you say it'd cost for a banner or advertisement that would bring 500,000 clicks? do you really think with those tips, you could bring it from 0 sales to 30-100 full priced ($25) sales or however many you need to pay off the cost of the ad placement? If you think so, i'd love to see you get into the solo niche in 2011 and give it a try :) you can tinker with a site and maybe improve it 25% but you could only take it so far with improvements like the ones you speak of, especially without the crazy interaction that comes with camshows and going above and beyond.

My reason for posting in this thread wasn't to really discuss how to generate more sales from tube sites, however it is good to speak about and im up for the conversation but my original post was in regards to breaking even with bought traffic from tube sites. And we can come up with great ideas for improvements but if you think you can spend 5k on advertisements on a tube site and get 5k in sales back, unless one of us do so, and i sure am not and you no longer run websites. I beg to differ and sadly there is no way to prove otherwise. I guess i can only say, i disagree. No solo girl i know could do so. And minor tweaking an custom tours isn't enough to bring it over the edge. IMO

I would really like to hear about anyone on GFY who has a smaller business that has paid over 1000 in adspace on a tube site and profited on it. Im not saying its impossible but i'd love to point out the reasons why that may be and why most couldn't.

movieguy 09-30-2011 06:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 19teenporn (Post 18461849)
Will those scenes be enough to make a tube with just your content?

Give a lot of flvs, update frequently and you have another tube promoting you.
If you believe in the site so much, why wait for the tools? Make them yourself. Buy a membership with your own affiliate code so you are only paying half. Download the clips, videos, and pictures you think you need and make banners, clips, etc.

If you make it for your needs and your sales goals, it will always perform better and be worth your time. If you're just looking to make a lazy buck, you won't get anywhere.

Caligari 09-30-2011 06:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shap (Post 18461948)
We can talk all day about the paysite model. It is same as it was 10 years ago. Same offering, same price, same everything. All that while the web has moved on. No site that was big 10 years ago is still big today without having evolved. If you stand still and do nothing different you can't expect to be the same size tomorrow as you are today.
I don't think the web has moved on just yet.
There are still paysites, and even CRUDE paysites which sell ungodly well and their designs look right out of 1999:1orglaugh

Why do they still thrive? Great, unique content that people consistently love week in and week out.

seeric 09-30-2011 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by movieguy (Post 18462067)
If you believe in the site so much, why wait for the tools? Make them yourself. Buy a membership with your own affiliate code so you are only paying half. Download the clips, videos, and pictures you think you need and make banners, clips, etc.

If you make it for your needs and your sales goals, it will always perform better and be worth your time. If you're just looking to make a lazy buck, you won't get anywhere.
Good way to get banned from programs.

I don't recommend doing this.

Most programs have approved promo tools only.

Pseudonymous 09-30-2011 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous (Post 18462062)
My reason for posting in this thread wasn't to really discuss how to generate more sales from tube sites, however it is good to speak about and im up for the conversation but my original post was in regards to breaking even with bought traffic from tube sites. And we can come up with great ideas for improvements but if you think you can spend 5k on advertisements on a tube site and get 5k in sales back, unless one of us do so, and i sure am not and you no longer run websites. I beg to differ and sadly there is no way to prove otherwise. I guess i can only say, i disagree. No solo girl i know could do so. And minor tweaking an custom tours isn't enough to bring it over the edge. IMO
My mouse is dragging sentences and throwing them in the middle of the paragraph so that may be a bit hard to read.

**My reason for posting in this thread wasn't to really discuss how to generate more sales from tube sites, however it is good to speak about and im up for the conversation but my original post was in regards to breaking even with bought traffic from tube sites. And we can come up with great ideas for improvements but if you think you can spend 5k on advertisements on a tube site and get 5k in sales back, then i think youre going to be surprised. No solo girl website i know could. And the custom tours and minor tweaking isn't enough to bring it over the edge, IMO.**

Shap 09-30-2011 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous (Post 18462080)
My mouse is dragging sentences and throwing them in the middle of the paragraph so that may be a bit hard to read.

**My reason for posting in this thread wasn't to really discuss how to generate more sales from tube sites, however it is good to speak about and im up for the conversation but my original post was in regards to breaking even with bought traffic from tube sites. And we can come up with great ideas for improvements but if you think you can spend 5k on advertisements on a tube site and get 5k in sales back, then i think youre going to be surprised. No solo girl website i know could. And the custom tours and minor tweaking isn't enough to bring it over the edge, IMO.**
If this guy can buy spots on the biggest tubes and make his money back
http://www.stealthattraction.com/?c=123&k=266098

I'm sure there is something you could do to make your money back. If you have the girl willing to do shoots as an example you spend one shoot dedicated to selling something like this, find a way to make it hot and sell the fuck out of it. The key in my idea was to find a way to improve tube traffic roi.

Pseudonymous 09-30-2011 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 18462088)
If this guy can buy spots on the biggest tubes and make his money back
http://www.stealthattraction.com/?c=123&k=266098

I'm sure there is something you could do to make your money back. If you have the girl willing to do shoots as an example you spend one shoot dedicated to selling something like this, find a way to make it hot and sell the fuck out of it. The key in my idea was to find a way to improve tube traffic roi.
The reason why that guy can generate profit from tubes is very simple, he is not selling the same thing tube sites offer, videos of hot girls performing in videos. In a previous post of mine, i mentioned that i think alot of people can profit from bought tube traffic, small typical paysites aren't one.

Im too busy to sit here and watch the video and see where hes making his money but its looking like he's capitalizing on men who don't know how to pick up a woman, which is not what solo girl sites or typical paysites are based on. If you are talking about completely changing what we're selling, then yes, i think i might be able to sell more to tubes, but i also would need to change the whole business structure and would no longer have the many sources of sales i currently have, which is plenty. I believe in keeping the website dedicated to videos, photos and other content as it seems to do well for me and other business owners. I dont think including dating section to obtain other markets would really help.

If your post is about increasing your return on tube traffic, great. I just wanted to add my 2 cents for the typical smaller paysite owner that may gather from this thread that bought tube traffic can be profited on with custom tours and minor tweaks. I dont see tube sites that have that amount of traffic selling adspace for cheap enough in order for a small paysite that offers videos/photos and the occasional cam show to profit on

Pseudonymous 09-30-2011 07:02 PM
The only time you may profit on bought tube traffic is if the solo model is in her first month. Thats my 2 cents

However thats not to say there isn't other ways to profit on tubes, Robbie mentioned one way. I just dont think paid adspace or uploading videos is the best route.

tgdguy 09-30-2011 07:21 PM
There are a few ways to make money from tubes. One is trickery and another is not selling porn. I dont care how much you tweak your porn site unless you make people think they are providing age verification/getting it for free, or getting "questionable" content you are gonna lose money.

19teenporn 09-30-2011 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 18462014)
It's funny I gave you the solution to the problem you've been complaining about and you completely ignore it and don't even comment on it. How come? Too much work?
I'm back. I will try with what you said, hopefully they will answer my emails.
I'm not lazy, i know you are a superior being, far superior than me. But i work my ass off every fucking day of my life, so please leave the sarcasm aside...

movieguy 09-30-2011 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by seeric (Post 18462077)
Good way to get banned from programs.

I don't recommend doing this.

Most programs have approved promo tools only.
Good point. You can also always ask, but I do realize it's a catch-22 sometimes. there are programs with great products who don't have the time, energy, or flexible mindset to try ideas, and there are dickheads who will let you run with it, make money, and pull your account for the bullshit excuse the promo tools are not sanctioned.

Shap 09-30-2011 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 19teenporn (Post 18462130)
I'm back. I will try with what you said, hopefully they will answer my emails.
I'm not lazy, i know you are a superior being, far superior than me. But i work my ass off every fucking day of my life, so please leave the sarcasm aside...
I'm not trying to be sarcastic. I've seen a bunch of posts by you lately complaining a lot. Most people that complain here are people that don't like to do work. Sorry if that's not you.

Btw which part don't you get from program owners?

movieguy 09-30-2011 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous (Post 18462100)
I just dont think paid adspace or uploading videos is the best route.
There are a lot of programs that would completely disagree with the latter point.

BUT you must have your customer experience pathway laid out from when they watch the video, to clicking the banner, landing on your preview area, and arriving at the join page.

Back at sextube, we tried to work with webmasters to optimize their strategy, yet only 1 out of 100 webmasters would give it a try. Somehow running tubes AND a huge, famous paysite like twistys with extensive experience uploading to tubes, doesn't mean anything.

Even at pornhub, Chris has a hard time getting webmasters to listen to him and that blows my mind because he helps run the biggest tube in the world. If he took time out of his busy day to give you some attention, why the heck wouldn't you hear him out??

Paul Markham 09-30-2011 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by topsiteking (Post 18461506)
Note:This is NOT me trying to sell anything.
But,if a models video is on page one with 500,000+ views and you see NO spike in sales...Something is very very wrong.
Yes, the owner of a site with only her videos on is a man thinking what worked yesterday in the past. Will work today and tomorrow.

19teenporn 09-30-2011 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 18462143)
I'm not trying to be sarcastic. I've seen a bunch of posts by you lately complaining a lot. Most people that complain here are people that don't like to do work. Sorry if that's not you.

Btw which part don't you get from program owners?
Totalky the opposite dude..

I work my ass off, that's why i complain.

There are some affiliates who really want to work, but sponsors make it really hard.

If i want to start a tube, i need lots of videos to make my tube huge. Sponsors don't give us shit.

I search some other sponsors, find new sensations, a handfull of flvs out of thousands and thousands of scenes.

Keep searching.

Find reality cash. Wow! This guys are great! Signup. Aff area, less than a handfull of flvs for my tubes.

Keep searching.

Found a thread in this forum pondering how great, bright, smart twistys ex owner was and what a great sponsor they are. Signed up. Been weeks, and nothing. My acct. Is not active yet.

Don't give up, keep searching.

Hey, i had a good idea. Let's make a tube about super hyper ultra hot Gianna Michaels. Lots of searches for her and her niche. Let's find flv's for my tubes. But i'm smart, so i will try another sponsor that sure will give me what i need to make us both money.

Let's try, almighty brazzers. Gianna Michaels, 7 scenes. Hmm, i expected more, but it's allright. I like brazzers porn, so i'm gonna use those 7 scenes anyways.
juggcash aff area. Hosted flv. Gianna Michaels. 0 flvs. Wtf?

Meanwhile, these sponsors members areas are being offered in full for free all over the internet.

So yes, i complain a lot. But i complain a lot because i work like a motherfucker and get fucked pissed when the ones who should make everything easier for us and them to make more money, make everything harder instead.

Meanwhile, their complete members areas are being offered in full for free on thousands of warez forums and illegal tubes.

All sponsors can do is promise, make excuses and try to justify themselves with all kinds of excuses. And when they run out of excuses, they start with their sarcasm, again, trying to justify themselves and make an affiliate who wants to work look like an idiot.

Meanwhile, their complete video collections are being offered for free to whoever wants to have it on thousand of sites on the net.

Sponsor, give me a hosted flv for all and everyone of your millions and gazillions of porn scenes and better and bigger porn collections on the net and i will make a lots of fucking huge legal tubes that will give big illegal tubes some competition.

But as you said. You do not own a program so don't worry about it.


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