It's easy...Sean owns Streamate, Sean owns his own processing, Sean is one of my processors. He processes for paysites with the same info the customer has already inputted. The customer not only joins Claudia Marie, but also gets a 25% discount on private chat with her on Streamate.

It's one of the reasons that Streamate makes more money for people than any other cam site. With that membership sale ability (you can't get more targeted traffic than that if you think about it), plus the "regular" money CM makes, plus the ability to make 70% of the money from people signing up to streamate from her "performers link" : http://claudiamarie.cammodels.com/ There are just a myriad of ways to make money there.

And since all the big tube & traffic sites have a Streamate white label...I'm already getting all the "branding" and more importantly THE MONEY from all that traffic. heh-heh

If you're smart and quick and have everything in place you can still make a dollar.

insanely educational and useful post. i am kinda surprised u shared that strategy with the clown-a-sphere..
thanks tho lol

I got a million more of 'em. :pimp

1. That is true. Remains to be seen whether that is a more profitable way, though I haven't gone down that route but that is an option.

2. X-art is what always comes to mind also but I can't imagine what they spent at startup. They are one of those larger players in the industry i was speaking about that could probably profit, as they have a pretty unique product, a product with a very large collection that can put up a fight because of the capital they had to start. I wouldn't consider them very small either.

3. Oh don't confuse me with being negative about what im making or that I even have a negative view at all, im not your typical GFYer complaining about tubes or filelockers, etc. - Im making good money and continually launching websites. I still launch extremely profitable tgps today. I was only giving my view of how profitable i thought bought tube traffic was and my experience, thats all.

And it's about running it right and finding a girl that doesn't leave after a certain amount of time because of the thousand excuses they have, boyfriend, their friends found out, their parents, etc etc. - and the girl has to be very hot too. The add very active with their site. These girls don't come too often. Autumn is probably the most successful solo girl to come out in the past few years and she doesn't even do cams. So when I say the typical paysite, yes there are sites that can be run even better and profit. But i wouldn't say your typical one. Not every girl treats their site like Robbie's wife. heh

Funny how paysite more and more rhymes with parasite ...

While you keep giving excuses and more excuses, more and more terabytes of free paysite content is being uploaded every hour to those illegal sites, warez forums, illegal tubes, etc etc, etc.

Don't worry how i'm gonna do it.

Sponsors just give us hosted flvs for all your scenes and let me worry about the rest.

Is that easy. Stop trying to give scientific excuses!!!

Lol I ran tubes both successful and unsuccessful tubes. But Obviously you know more than I do. Based on your explanation of your plan if I had a program I wouldn't give you the flvs and I imagine others won't be interested either. You aren't trying anything new, your plan has been tried tested and failed. Learn why tubes rank high first.

19teenporn Run a little search on how many links in pornhub has ;))

To be of service to my CMS customers I need to put myself in their shoes, consider their resources and limitations and give advice that they can actually use to get the most of our their pay sites.

My goal is always to give practical, proven advice that is truly helpful to my customers. I'll be the first to admit that many of the ideas in this thread are great but also realize that not everyone has the budget or content resources to capitalize on them.

Yes Paul, I suppose you could say it's thinking "in the box" considering that my post was in a response to a post made by a customer of mine who only has recorded content. This is the best advice I can give to help him get the most out of what he's got...

AJ

If he has/is deemed to fail to get any traffic, what's the problem with giving him flvs? Over-exposure? What if the next guy has a ton of traffic and/or a large network of sites to kick-start seo he is looking to direct to a tube site, but also has trouble getting flvs?

I totally understand that from a program owners POV specifically supplying thousands of flvs for *1* affiliate is 99.99% a complete waste of time, but it seems he has a legit 'gripe' for want of a better word, here. Though I did skip page 2 so may have missed some important posts :D

ok so I read the last post on page 2 lol :thumbsup

I think he misunderstood and didn't see the past conversation between us

It's an interesting idea but of course if you look at tubes don't you find they pretty much already do something like this? their "paysite" is premium free memberships and everything else is ads, and xsales/upsales/mailings etc.

You're right, cheap trial alone may not work - BUT with a massive sales hook it can be an effective tool. That's the key. Finding what works might mean experimenting with different business models, sales methods, price points, sales hooks, manipulation of content, using some creative tricks to control member behavior, rewarding loyalty to increase retention, etc.

Heading into 2012 this business is no longer about selling videos. Sell something people can't get anywhere else. Give them a unique experience they can only get on your site and more will stick around.

The name of the game now is getting creative and thinking like a consumer, not a site owner.

thats tricky too because as soon as you post it, whatever you posted will be ripped. back in the day you only had to worry about competitors copying you. now you have to worry about pirates actually copying you lol

i had a great idea for a site that would be hard to pirate - find some ridiculously amazing streaming only video, but keep changing the url. surfers have to get a referal to find the content - kinda like invite-only. every 2 weeks, change the domain. how does that solve piracy? eh it doesnt really. but it sounds fun lol

What you don't see it giving away too much free content while it gains one sale it loses five.

Mutt had a very good point.

Can anything be done inside a members area today and turn the tide. While not bankrupting the site that tries it?

Is any solution to the problems we face today, too expensive now?

Read this and think is and solution too expensive today.

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?p=18463787#post18463787

I'm going to steal your idea now.

I am traveling in Europe so I missed this post Shap. You are taking all my ideas and success and releasing them to general GFY community for FREE? You madman. LOL

I do 89% of what Shap has outlined - Shap may or may not know this, LOL - and he is SPOT ON!!!!!!

Emails (finally) answered Shap. I think you know that the one area I'm still struggling with is ad sales and ad buys. But as to your other points let me sum up by saying this:

I create ALL my sites with Tube sites/surfers in mind. period. Because of this I have anywhere from a 1:200 - 1:1000 conversion rate for my sites, depending on the site. The only limitation to MY business now, after I've done all the necassary work to build up the paysites, is traffic.

And now that Shap sold out he can't even help me with traffic. :( LOL!

GREAT fucking post Shap, just awesome. Thank you!!

tell you what you pony up the money for xhamster and i will change the banner in my sig

(btw the link was to their auto updating image, pussycash just broke that function really surprise they haven't fixed it yet)

With all due respect you honestly think you can teach Shap something about tube traffic?


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This is why more and more companies are changing their approach to that of selling interaction, an experience, etc. instead of content. They're trying to sell something intangible that can't be pirated. It doesn't matter if all the content gets ripped if the primary reason a customer keeps paying is to get access to something besides the content.

yep, you showed me a couple months ago :)

how many programs/paysites are now sharing livegonzo?

wow, that's a nice added benefit for girls with paysites to choose Streamate, huge actually.
most cam networks have always allowed girls to promote their paysites, but first i've heard of a one click upsell.

Yeah I've heard some solo sites getting GREAT sales back to their site as well thanks to this.

Yes. Not doing any of the things you do in your member's area. Things like rotating content, limiting people's downloads all the stuff people complain about your site on rabbit's etc about.

If you stopped all that nonsense, you'd make more money.

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Comments by: Recycled, Rotated, Redated - Score: 60/100 - Date: 11/25/2009
The same photos are just recycled. I know because I've joined numerous times when my favorite model's set are all on the site at the same time. I swear off porn, delete everything, and rejoin on the 3-day trial months later to download Steffi's (Ameile on their site) 3 old photo sets. The content is low and picture quality, "vintage". Some old classic stuff. On the plus side, I like PM's poses - more explicit and natural. Girl next door, not too glammed up like Twistys or DDF for example. If there were more content, new content, and none of the constant recycling of old material, I'd give this site a much higher score.

Comments by: Night Bird - Score: 70/100 - Date: 1/5/2009
Content rotation kills this site. This site is made for the trial member, because if you stay monthly you will just see the same old videos disappear and then reappear as new releases over and over and over. Some of the content is good, but there needs to be more new material and the content rotation must stop. Content rotation kills this site. This site is made for the trial member, because if you stay monthly you will just see the same old videos disappear and then reappear as new releases over and over and over. Some of the content is good, but there needs to be more new material and the content rotation must stop.

Comments by: nightowl - Score: 75/100 - Date: 6/3/2008
Too much recyling by date changes. CHEATING!!!!

Comments by: former member - Score: 100/100 - Date: 4/5/2008
not worth paying and it s cheating - ading old files and new updates by simpyl chaning dates of the files.

Comments by: SgtSally - Score: 25/100 - Date: 2/11/2008
Sorry, the site doesn t come up to standards. The gals aren t that cute for the most part. Too old and usually flawed in some way - teeth, boobs, skin. Something is almost always off. The site limit wasn t a problem for me but I really didn t download all that much after I had a look around.

i really try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt until they prove to me without a doubt that they are retarded, but i really think Markham could be retarded at this point.