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XXMAM 10-16-2011 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by LatinaCrazy (Post 18495030)
In Colombia the income that you receive from broadcasting is Tax Free if you register with the Ministry Of Foreign Trade. It is considered as Exportation Of Data.

As far as labour concerns in Colombia you will need to hire an accountant to make sure that you treat this correctly, but most agreements with models are treating them as contractors which there are special requirements to meet this qualification.

There is a tax that should be withheld from there pay as well as there are provisions for health and retirement, but A. No one observes them, B. A couple of larger studios like pay every one electronically with Payoneer or something similar so that it is payment recieved by an out side source for the model, which relieves the paying studio of the obligation of health and Pension.

If you you decide on Colombia I will be glad to help you point you in the right direction for a good honest lawyer and accountants..

Thank you again. I plan to operate 100% legally. I just sent you an email. Thanks again!

Vendzilla 10-16-2011 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 18493988)
However, if you are in the States, especially California you will have problems with the labor laws.
Yet the oldest longest running web cam company is in Calabasas California. 15 years we have been here. You might have a couple of your facts incorrect.

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 18493866)
How do you address it when a model points out that she could go direct? Obviously, I'm a webmaster, so I understand what benefit a studio is bringing, way above and beyond whether the chat host needs to be supplied with a cam/location or has one already. But, in my experience of other areas of the business, that sort of thing is not always easy to communicate to talent, and I like everyone to be happy with a deal, so this is frustrating. And some of the cam studio payout structures look likely to make this sort of thing even more of an issue.
A good studio will show them the ropes, work with them, make sure they are informed about what works and what doesn't.

Working out a pay structure can be easier than you think. You can base it merely on the performers numbers, how much they earn, how much they perform. There are a few ways you can work out their pay structure, it's up to you. We'll help you with setting that up.

AmeliaG 10-12-2012 03:06 PM
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Django 10-12-2012 03:08 PM
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Barry-xlovecam 10-12-2012 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 18485018)
how? at the top end you are paying 50% plus 30% when a cam studio drives their own traffic - that's 80%, cc processing 10% - leaves u almost nothing. or is the % you pay studios and models calculated after credit card fees are deducted?
For the majority of transactions we don't deal with third party processors so I don't pay the high fees that some do. We are big enough not to give a good part of our profit to processors.

All private shows do not earn an affiliate fee or model referral fee -- we have a lot of ''house'' customers over 8 years. (We now are paying 20% on model's customer referrals on all the cams that customer buys -- lifetime -- databased).

We are doing millions a month in revenue now so that volume is a factor in our bottom line also. We have over 6,000 models working every week and over 2,000 log in daily.

That will answer your question?

Barry-xlovecam 10-12-2012 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18495627)
Yet the oldest longest running web cam company is in Calabasas California. 15 years we have been here. You might have a couple of your facts incorrect.
I want no part of being domiciled in California or the United States -- the laws are not porn friendly IMHO.

thehand 10-12-2012 03:38 PM
Old thread:thumbsup

adultmobile 10-12-2012 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19248008)
I want no part of being domiciled in California or the United States -- the laws are not porn friendly IMHO.
No one country in the world got "porn friendly" laws, simply they tolerate it more or less. We're domiciled in The Netherlands but still there in the past few years some banks stopped to work with adult companies (ING bank for ex.), also it was made several laws to make illegal for example bestiality (now de facto legal only in denmark?), and even the famous red light district in Amsterdam it is being challenged. It is NL which banned browser cookies completely for any purpose for example, the governments here can wake up and put illegal all of us at any moment.

Barry-xlovecam 10-12-2012 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by adultmobile (Post 19248031)
No one country in the world got "porn friendly" laws, simply they tolerate it more or less. We're domiciled in The Netherlands but still there in the past few years some banks stopped to work with adult companies (ING bank for ex.), also it was made several laws to make illegal for example bestiality (now de facto legal only in denmark?), and even the famous red light district in Amsterdam it is being challenged. It is NL which banned browser cookies completely for any purpose for example, the governments here can wake up and put illegal all of us at any moment.
Our broadcasts do not involve bestiality, incest, violent sex, rape, scat or other acts that might be out of sync with the Dutch Laws.

You don't understand the EU privacy directive apparently; cookies are allowed with the user's consent however I have planned a cookieless site with no third party tracking and we will be implementing this in the near future.

Only a few cam companies are still domiciled in the United States the reasons not to be there are obvious.

LatinCams 10-12-2012 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by punker barbie (Post 18485240)
Hey Girlie! The girls are Chaturbate make around 60%.

It's been a while maybe we should grab lunch in LA this week if your free. Would love to catch up.

-Shirley
Are you accepting Studios yet ?

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LatinCams 10-12-2012 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by adultmobile (Post 18492954)
Different sites have different policies. Our one is that we consider studio only who provide something to the model such as the web cams or even place of work, it can not be a middlemen reseller. In that case, the model can skip him/her later, but in general we warn middlemens of this and they not even register to our site in first place. In case that who register the model at least give camera or pc or pay internet bill to model even if she work from her home, then that qualify as non-middlemen (or middle-gurl), so if the model want re-register to get 100% we ask the studio who bring her if agrees or not, then if not, should be the model to bribe the studio so he agree or whatever fight they can do, is not matter of the site. We made an one page long rules about the various cases of models changing studios or wanting to become independent, as it is a constant drama - also note models can say the studio did not paid them and this is why want to be independent and this could be false and is not easy to check this, and so on.
We are all middlemen.
If you have a WebcamSite you are also one.
We all depend on each other.
Other wise each girl would joust have her own Solo Site....

Django 10-12-2012 04:58 PM
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adultmobile 10-12-2012 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19248104)
Our broadcasts do not involve bestiality, incest, violent sex, rape, scat or other acts that might be out of sync with the Dutch Laws.
I meant as a trend. We don't allow this stuff too (as would be Visa / Mastercard not wanting it, even if government wished, as it was time ago), but I was meaning that every time the govt change laws, it is to put illegal something more, and they did not stopped, so what's next, they will end up making illegal to show naked at some point.
So they started with scat, bestiality, slap in face too hard, and they will continue adding illegal stuff, not allowing more, until they hit our core business too.

About cookies the UK implementation is ok, but the dutch one it is crazy, there was some posts about it. We may detect NL traffic and have special version for them, I mean we know USA laws not best but please do not praise Euro Union even it got Peace Nobel as this is the heaven of laws and taxes about everything, VAT increases first - you may have noticed dutch tax increased from 19% to 21% on euro customers, very business friendly I would say (even regarding % to pay studios after VAT is paid), USA got no vat's.

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adultmobile 10-12-2012 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by LatinCams (Post 19248145)
We are all middlemen.
If you have a WebcamSite you are also one.
We all depend on each other.
Other wise each girl would joust have her own Solo Site....
I don't care and no different payout if model is registered by herself, by a phisical studio or by a virtual one = reseller. Whoever registers first a model, he gets the payment, then it is not my problem what % holds.
I make this difference only when I need to solve the drama of a model changing studio or going as "home model". We get some of this drama every week if not daily, it is fashionably the most classical drama we get as a cam site.
So the phisical studio in Novokhabirzabrazorsk registers 10 models on 1 january, all going well especially Irina does lots money because got one whale. So much money she wants all for herself, she quits studio who pay her "only 50%" on 1 March, and buy logitech at home, then write to the site when ready on 1 April: "I am Irina boss so bad they keep 50% for do nothing I have my own cam and pc now can I work direct to site".
At this point we need rules in place beforehand to use to decide this; if the Novokhabirzabrazorsk studio registered her first, paid her all including last month she worked, and say us they do NOT want her to work from home (which is 95% of what studios say in this case), we have to reply to Irina: sorry you can't unless your former boss agrees, try to bribe him so he say ok to us, or good luck. Alternatively, wait 6 months since last time you was online so 1 march -> 1 september, contact us in september and we may see what we can do (we decide depending how politically bad it is to make Novokhabirzabrazorsk studio unhappy).
If the previous studio did not paid her in full, or it is unable to provide her workplace (it was raided by police or tech issues etc.), the model can re-register with no waits or authorisations.
If previous studio was just a reseller (virtual studio) - and he says not free her - protection of studio it is not automatic. Of course there's some of those virtual guys who do so well and provide so many girls, and even pay them advance, before we even pay the agency, that they're protected too.
I mean if you get hundreds of those dramas every year you need a standard procedure and rule in place. No any rule can make happy everyone but if it is written clearly and shown beforehand and as a site you respect it, at least that's clean.

LatinCams 10-13-2012 09:37 AM
You cant say that all virtual Studios do nothing.
I can only talk for us, but we for example offer:

90 - 94% Payouts (That means a girl has to make upt to 1600 USD for us to make 100 USD)
Weekly Payments no matter how site pays. (We pay up to 30 days before normally the sites do, from our own money).
24/7 Tech Support (That cost Money, that with not good selling models we wouldnt get back)
Loans (If a model leaves our Studio and leaves in a fahr away location it would probably gets lost)
Prizes (We give prizes to encourage Models that most sites dont even have)
Etc.

And I believe some Location Studios do very less than that.
So you are saying thats all worth shit ?
There are Scammers everywhere, I have seen in the past also Webcamsites scamming.
But we can not generalize.

BareBacked 10-13-2012 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by punker barbie (Post 18485240)
Hey Girlie! The girls are Chaturbate make around 60%.

It's been a while maybe we should grab lunch in LA this week if your free. Would love to catch up.

-Shirley
60% before or after affiliate payouts, cb's and processing fees?

Barry-xlovecam 10-13-2012 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by adultmobile (Post 19248185)
I meant as a trend. We don't allow this stuff too (as would be Visa / Mastercard not wanting it, even if government wished, as it was time ago), but I was meaning that every time the govt change laws, it is to put illegal something more, and they did not stopped, so what's next, they will end up making illegal to show naked at some point.
So they started with scat, bestiality, slap in face too hard, and they will continue adding illegal stuff, not allowing more, until they hit our core business too.

About cookies the UK implementation is ok, but the dutch one it is crazy, there was some posts about it. We may detect NL traffic and have special version for them, I mean we know USA laws not best but please do not praise Euro Union even it got Peace Nobel as this is the heaven of laws and taxes about everything, VAT increases first - you may have noticed dutch tax increased from 19% to 21% on euro customers, very business friendly I would say (even regarding % to pay studios after VAT is paid), USA got no vat's.
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CHAPTER I--DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

PART 75--CHILD PROTECTION RESTORATION AND PENALTIES ENHANCEMENT ACT OF 1990; PROTECT ACT; ADAM WALSH CHILD PROTECTION AND SAFETY ACT OF 2006; RECORDKEEPING AND RECORD-INSPECTION PROVISIONS

§ 75.1 Definitions.
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What I meant is;
1.) that US 18 USC §2257 requires the recordkeeping of all webcam broadcasts. At face value, and subject to current legal challenges, terebytes of video broadcasts would have to be retained and indexed. Would you care to calculate the cost of that? Also, there is the issue of overall performer privacy and the basic right to be secure in ones records and premises.

2.) that the general situation toward the adult industry in not good with the religious right "fundamental christians" and the voices of "the moral majority" have long been a pain in the ass to say the least further pandered to as a constituency by a certain political party.
I cannot comment on the tax law situation for our company.

With regard to the EU data privacy laws enacted by individual member countries; The Dutch laws are more severe than the UK laws however the enacted laws have yet to withstand court challenges. The cookie laws were enacted for reason of the abuse of third party advertisers' cookies, tracking, subsequent data warehousing and sales of data. Some of these same privacy law principles will be followed in other national laws that have yet to be enacted is my own prediction. Cookies are dead -- read the writing on the wall.

adultmobile 10-13-2012 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by LatinCams (Post 19249040)
You cant say that all virtual Studios do nothing.
I can only talk for us, but we for example offer:
In fact I added: "Of course there's some of those virtual guys who do so well and provide so many girls, and even pay them advance, before we even pay the agency, that they're protected by us".
For example this US agency does the above: http://www.bksgirls.com/private-videos/
And they're protected in case some model would want to bypass, but they're not even doing it yet as they pay in advance and keep a small % and collect from all sites at once which is handy.

What I was referring to as middlemen, it is the typical romanian or ukrainian guy who know a few cam girls in city who are not so smart to even order a payoneer themselves, or print and sign a form, and so the guy it is a little faster than the girls to find new sites and register. But doing really nothing except take a 30%+ for pass the money to the girls, eventually even late. Believe me that's so often happening.

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19249190)
[INDENT]
What I meant is;
1.) that US 18 USC §2257 requires the recordkeeping of all webcam broadcasts.
Yes I know this and a few US sites are keeping recording of all broadcasts which is also quite a cost in storage. Or, eventually they risk to be not compliant. Regarding this, Europe for now is better but I insist governments here are doing crazy new laws every month, that even if not enforced or enforceable (see super strict cookie thing in NL), can definitely give issues on surprise. As example in some Euro countries they consider running a cam site same as running a brothel = prostitution (no matter no one touch each other), and since being a pimp is illegal in some of such euro countries, run a cam site its more danger to run than USA, where I don't see prosecution of cam site owners for prostitution and pimping yet (but if they read european judgements they may learn soon).

Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE 10-14-2012 12:23 AM
Just don't pay anyone but yourself.

AmeliaG 10-15-2012 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by LatinCams (Post 19249040)
You cant say that all virtual Studios do nothing.
I can only talk for us, but we for example offer:

90 - 94% Payouts (That means a girl has to make upt to 1600 USD for us to make 100 USD)
Weekly Payments no matter how site pays. (We pay up to 30 days before normally the sites do, from our own money).
24/7 Tech Support (That cost Money, that with not good selling models we wouldnt get back)
Loans (If a model leaves our Studio and leaves in a fahr away location it would probably gets lost)
Prizes (We give prizes to encourage Models that most sites dont even have)
Etc.

And I believe some Location Studios do very less than that.
So you are saying thats all worth shit ?
There are Scammers everywhere, I have seen in the past also Webcamsites scamming.
But we can not generalize.

I would think setup and traffic and promo would top the list of what webmasters would supply as a studio? The most awesome chat host in the world is not going to make anything in an empty room or without the right setup.

LatinCams 10-15-2012 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 19253014)
I would think setup and traffic and promo would top the list of what webmasters would supply as a studio? The most awesome chat host in the world is not going to make anything in an empty room or without the right setup.
Lost you .... dont know what my quote has to do with your comment :(


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