Yep, she is lying, because looks like she IS still in business...

http://join.melissamidwest.com/signup/signup.php

liar liar pants on fire Melissa Midwest and crew...

nothing like a pretty face to shove a cock deep in the ass of the men she could woooo

joke is on all who fell for the "shes smart and not like the others"

lol

and the next girl is coming, quick SIGN UP TO PROMOTE HER! people forget these "girls next door" is just like a stripper, they gonna take it all and leave you standing there dick in hand HAHAHAH

Strange how these things are often predictable, isn't it. Usually there are signs in advance that the owners are scumbags it's just that people choose to ignore it. Any attitude of "You're just an affiliate and I don't give a shit about you" should be taken as an extreme warning sign that sooner or later you are going to be fucked if they aren't fucking you already.

Think about it. Prechecked cross sales on any revshare program is basically saying "You send me customers for free and I won't pay you jack shit extra for it. Ha ha. Fuck you! Thanks for making me richer!". No wonder they now think they can get away with taking the money and running.

seems biggy has turned into something of a scammer. even with fuckyoucash, the way the sites are set up is very shady. forcing you to upgrade before you see anything. he says this system works well for him and affiliates but hard to trust anything he says now.

If he was recently involved in this program which is running away with affiliate's money then you'd be a fool to trust him after this. But that's the thing. Lots of affiliates are fools. Even after years of getting fucked over and over in the same ways.

I remember this thread of hers, for anyone interested in ownership:

From her thread: https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1016915

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=110076289017747

LOL

her site also says this:

NEXT WEBCAM SHOW :
October 9, 2011 at 8:30 P.M. EST

yes I am bored sitting here with dye in my hair lol

So Melissa Money was owned by Fuckyoucash?
are you sure of this?

Damn, her site has been around for a long long time and used to be at the top of the sologirl heap.

Double damn.

Melissa was the first paysite I did in adult, well before FYC. I was an affiliate, we got fucked over at the time by the guy who was managing the site - Jim from Nebraska Coeds. I got fucked for $15k, Melissa/Shane for a bit more. We decided to come together to do the site. Shane was really the driving force behind the site, I don't think it should come as a shock to anyone that for a long time it was him posing as her (including on this board as Hotmelissa).

This is actually how I transitioned from being an affiliate to a program owner. I managed the website - technical, affiliate support, etc. They shot the content, paid the bills, and ran the brick and mortar operations, and everything else (including controlling the $) After college, I went on to form FYC and the rest with my partners today. So yeah, I understand where the lines are blurred about what my interest is.

I was on a profit split, and I was a minority, they were a majority. When she went independent, she had a lot of people contacting her to do her site, including Lensman from here at the time. Melissa's site was great for a period of time. Fuck, when she went hardcore, that thing shot thru the roof, a lot of people made amazing money including the affiliates. They are now out of $, through a bunch of very public poor investment choices that Mutt posted, so there is no $. It's sad, and honestly, I hope they pull through it.

As recently as last week people were complaining about not being paid. This was primarily due to the fact things were left as "unpaid" in payments.php, and I pointed this out to many affiliates who contacted me, because these issues had happened in the past. All affiliates who contacted me, except one (cornh0le) didn't actually know if they were paid or not. The one who was a confirmed non-pay I contacted them about. After about 4 un-replied emails, I told them I needed an answer, and only at that point was I informed they fell arrears by about 2-3 payments to all affiliates. I told them if there is no trajectory to get affiliates paid, then notice has to be given and we need to shut the program down.

Flame me away, allow me to be your punching bag.

Im available via ICQ for those who wish to reach out directly.

there is more than one females, including some now who have guys posting as them LOL

its always been easier to get business if you pretend to be a female, and especially hot ones who you can get to spread their legs for pics to drum up thread views, been that way for a LOOOONG time on gfy, im not surprised at all.

Bottom line, there is money still coming in, and rebills that affiliates deserve their share of. All you did was was advise them to fuck over everyone who made you all money, and who is still making you all money. There is trajectory to get affiliates paid, put aside the money the affiliates bring in, and fucking pay them.

True, but you don't have all the facts and honestly, I don't care about posting them. When you have 2 kids with 2 different women, including a recent new born, and they both come asking for more child support, while other businesses are shutting down after being pits for money, the option to pay affiliates goes out the door.

Just this week the NATS license expired. It took him 3 days to arrange a payment of $350 (i think this is what NATS charges for the license, maybe $650). I am not 100% privy to all of his details but I would imagine he's facing bankruptcy.

As for me making money. I have been operating the site at a loss just to ensure affiliates get paid. Now that they are clearly not getting paid, I made it a point that everyone knows.

im sorry but i fail to see how your child support or whos ever has a fucking thing to do with rebills not being paid on.

i also fail to see how you are at a loss. hosting? its not content production.

if the site has 5 active members and you are getting half of that, that covers hosting costs...

i just do not understand how the people who sent the sales are not going to get paid on the rebills they produced. to me thats just flat out theft.

obviously you dont have a family (kids) and/or have never faced bankruptcy. and clearly you dont understand the margins on a paysite because you forgot to include credits, refunds, processing fees, staff, and more.

and also, its not my child support. i am the messenger. i am here giving you the facts about what is happening, but no matter what i say reality isn't going to change. all i can give you is an understanding and transparency to the situation.

clearly the Lincoln police will be arresting Melissa this afternoon in her home.

child support, bankruptcy, nats license, fees, all I hear is FUCK YOU PAY ME!

Now you won't take losses on affiliate payments anymore, you can sit back and collect the rewards for the hard work you didn't do.

Whatever, I'm not here to argue, because there is no argument, you're a fucking crook, simple as that. So is Melissa, so is everyone involved. :321GFY

Bullshit.

Not a word about paying owed money to affiliates.

anything else? let me be your punching bag.

Sounds like bullshit to me.

Take a look at http://siteanalytics.compete.com/melissamidwest.com/

143,960 uniques to a paysite (just one) and you are telling me they can't afford to live and pay their affiliates?

You say Bankruptcy? What is the case number? If they really are doing that it is all the reason to try to not piss people off because all it takes is for someone to go to the trustee and bring up that this money was potentially obtained fraudulently (by defrauding affiliates) and the bankruptcy will take YEARS to complete.

What I think (based upon the numbers I see) is that someone just decided that they would make more by closing down the affiliate program and keeping rebills than they would make by accepting new joins from affiliates. This is due to the decline in sales. I don't know for sure but that is what I would suspect. Especially if there is no real BK filing.

What about the affiliates getting ripped off who are looking to feed their kids or buy presents with that money? Are they your punching bag then too? It's despicable. The going away note was at least respectful but the way it's being done, not so. Maybe you have a good excuse and there is more going on but from what I see so far you people are crooks.

Q: How much do you think the site is doing monthly, or joins daily?
A: < 5

That should help give you some perspective. You're right, this is a big fucking money grab and the guy has so much money, he struggles to make a NATS payment. MelissaMidwest.com, that site was big 5-7 years ago. They have no $.

What's your reseller account and how much are you owed? Let me be your punching bag.

144,000 uniques a day / 1,000 = 144 sales a day.

144 sales * $30 = $4,320 a day in new revenue.

Plus all the old rebills (which you won't be paying affiliates for) and this is also just ONE paysite. And cross sales and other upsells?

$10,000 a day in revenue probably isn't unheard of. At an insane 10% profit even that would be $1000 a day. And you are telling us you can't afford to pay affiliates and that there is a bankruptcy involved? Man.......

How the fuck is a site doing 144,000 uniques a day doing under 5 joins a month?

its a fucking solo girl site with recycling content for the last 2-3 years, you tell me. <5 joins per day.

you make good points, but my money says you arent even an affiliate or you are owed < $100.

and the site isnt doing 144k a day, but id imagine theres traffic going to the FHGs which is also, an ancestral concept to the tubes we have today.

I'm sure checks will still come in the mail. They are not shit fuck heads like the others who close their doors.

oops, double posted

I'm not an affiliate and I stated that previously in the thread. But I am an adult affiliate and I'm sticking up for others who get screwed. I don't want to see this happen to MY sponsors.

If you really are getting under 5 joins a day then I feel for you and I understand. But let's do some math. 144,000 uniques and five joins means a 1:28,800 ratio. That's crazy even for an affiliate let alone a sponsor who gets type ins. And you are talking around 5 million uniques a month for volume.

ahh my breakthrough moment, where its clear you don't know anything about this business.

everyone else, read my replies above, im sure to the overwhelming majority of you, you at least understand the situation. i am available via ICQ.

even if it was only 40-50k/day you could put up a blank page that just says join here and you would be able to get 5 sales.

they made some bad investments, sucks for them. however i think its silly to expect anyone to feel sympathy because the guy has child support. so do many, many others including lots of their affiliates. of course saying all this is pointless to you, as you say you are only the messenger but hard times for the guy or not, not paying affiliates is theft.

Are you claiming <5 joins a day or a month?

It really does not make any difference if the story is bullshit or not...a decision has been made...for whatever the reason/reasons...to not pay out any money to affiliates. It certainly is not the first to do this and certainly will not be the last.

If bitching about it on the board makes one feel better...so be it...but I am satisfied that it will not alter the decision that has been made.

Sir, you can insult me all you want but I assure you I convert far better than 1:28,800....

i'll see what i can do. :thumbsup

i promoted. not sure if i got sales.

From what I gather they are saying you will not get any payments.

Accept theft, keep quiet, that seems like the way of the adult webmaster.

the guy isn't even an affiliate of mm. just another white knight trying to save the adult internet.

just pull your links and stop sending the program any traffic retards. big deal.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

you're the same guy that sells 10 designs for $15? you clearly don't have a brain.

can anyone actually post a screenshot that they sent mm a single join this year?

If one does not choose to take legal recourse...then yes...theft/fraud is accepted and if one is not going to take legal recourse..one may as well be quite unless bitching makes one feel better.

sent them 1 unique and it didn't convert, not happy.

it would be theft if anyone actually sent any joins. the site is dead, it makes no money and at this point you should have links pulled anyway. who fucking cares?

It's 150K uniques/month, not /day. Which corresponds pretty well with their Alexa rank of about 70000, 3-5K uniques/day is about right for that kinda rank.

From program owner's perspective, I believe those figures that Biggy gave you are about right. That site is definitely doing less than 5 joins/day, most likely 2-3 new joins/day on average. Like them or not, those figures are accurate.

150K/day is almost unheard of for a paysite nowadays, let alone solo girl site. If they had that amount of traffic, no way they'd be closing shop.

someone had to correct him. I was too lazy.

I bet those figures are extremely accurate...

Btw that's 144k (which it isn't anyway) a month, not day, and that's to the domain, which by the sounds of it includes every fhg of theirs, which obviously inflates the figure by a fair bit.

144k / 30 = 4800 per day, spread over the tour plus the FHGs. So at your example of 1:1000 even if it was all to the tour itself = 4.8 joins a day.

It's a shame I wasn't :1orglaugh

We would never treat our affiliates like this. Even if you owe one $1, you pay it.