I just looked at the traffic stats of their other websites, i didn't even take those into account - i was only referring to melissamidwest before. That network couldn't afford the affiliate software? hahaha thats a lie

This network is still grossing 5-10k a month, that's more than alot of programs out there.

Can't pay affiliates. lol biggy while you might be able to convince non program owners. I don't believe it for one second.

not possible. They need that money to pay their personal bills. Affiliates just be ok with that since they made a lot of money from them over the years and well Melissa is sweet and cute... :upsidedow

Or a bunch of idiots trying to "occupy wallstreet".


You are not doing a good job being a "punching bag". You also not doing yourself any favors either with your attitude.

AMEN!!!

Oh yeah, you know regular pics of tits certainly help, doesn't even make much difference when it's revealed that the person posting all of the ditzy "I'm so hot and cute look at me naked" messages was a guy...

You need someone more serious like Fiona Glenanne to handle this:

http://www.usanetwork.com/series/bur...y/Fiona_01.jpg

http://www.usanetwork.com/series/bur...y/Fiona_06.jpg

http://www.usanetwork.com/series/bur...y/Fiona_08.jpg

Fiona may look like she just stepped out of a fashion magazine but she's a force to be reckoned with. She was affiliated with the IRA for 14 years, but ran afoul of her old organization because she didn't like being told what to do. She has since gone out on her own, picking up odd jobs and using her skills in explosives, lock picking, tracking, weapons, and hand-to-hand combat to make a living.

Fiona is definitely a shoot first and asks questions later kind of gal. Her fearless nature is both enticing and dangerous, as she is capable of making things go "boom" very quickly. When Michael is dumped, battered and unconscious, in Miami, Fiona is called since she is still listed as his emergency contact. They were once romantically involved but that ended years before when Michael left her without an explanation. Fiona isn't used to being rejected and the end of their relationship left her with a bruised ego.

She decides to stay in Miami to help Michael, but her reasons aren't all work related. For a woman who considers a good head-butt to be foreplay, seducing men is second nature. Although Michael's reluctant to re-kindle a very complicated relationship, Fiona is a stubborn master strategist and won't stop till she gets her way.

The most fair thing to would be if Shane & family downgraded their lifestyle in order to pay off their affiliates fairly and as agreed upon...

.... this is a result of his bad decisions, he is at fault here, no affiliates are to fault. Remember this is a revshare program, not pps, these are supposed to have less risk. Whatever lifestyle he's living now, he doesn't deserve, and should downgrade.

Great post.

This is the real world, pay your bills or go bankrupt paying others who are not actively promoting and selling the site?

Expect it to happen a lot more. Programs will start to look long and hard at affiliates who are just getting rebills, got money held because it's under the minimum or people using their content to sell ad space.

5-6 years ago the layer of cream on the cake was thick enough to carry these people. Today it's not. So expect programs to look at whose sending traffic, whose only doing rebills and who are mostly getting paid rebills. Then deciding if the axe will fall on them. Consider this the future.

Cut off dead wood to save the tree, or not and lose the tree. With some of the good branches dying along with it.

In English. Cut those you can live without, to keep paying those you need.

Please tell me you don't use the same aff code on all ccbill sites.

They will still get blacklisted, real name, info, all

Whether you feel about this situation about Shane/Melissa or not, they did not live up to their agreement, based on his bad decisions or not, it still needs to get put out there online so that in the future people will know to not do business with Shane

Part of life is living with the results of your own actions, I can accept the loss of work, money etc from this unfortunate situation, but I will definitely help in spreading the word about this

That gave me a warm feeling. Sorry but I get too much shit from others to not feel good when real business people post the truth.

Yes for those not getting paid on rebills or money held it's shitty. Very very shitty. Melissa isn't the first and won't be the last. Affiliates have to accept that it's a changing world in online adult and adapt.

Today for many margins are slim. The places left to trim costs are very few, content has taken that trimming for years. now it's affiliates turn. This is the future plans for many.

Examine the cost and return on having 100 to 1,000s of freelance affiliates who they have little to no control over and all demanding the sponsor runs his site their way.

Comparing this cost/return/benefits on bringing traffic generation in house.

Then maybe cutting all those not sending sign ups, not traffic it's not king. Sign ups are. Keeping those worth keeping and cutting the rest. And bringing traffic generation in house.

Yes it's a shitty way to do business. But it's just business, not charity. It's no longer 2004, pull your weight or get cut from the team.

more programs making big tube sites is the answer Paul?

Not an answer for long term, but it's happening and affiliates have to adapt or die.

Would 50 in-house workers under the management of an affiliate support manager, produce a better ROI than 50-500 normal affiliates?

In house could be in their home, but under the direct control of the sponsor.

As stated early in this thread, I am owed $46.39

I made 1 sale in Aug and it re-billed in Sept, and might have continued re-billing.

This thread has shown the true colors of many. There are a few other programs that I have pulled links on while removing the MM links. There is one hosting co. that I will never consider doing business with too.

My $46.39 may not be much, but it is a big deal to me. It is my money and I worked hard for it.

I hope that Melissa remembers getting screwed by her last partner and how bad she felt, because now she can know how she has made me feel today.

Seen some pretty nice ratios in here... good to see i'm not the only one :)

PAY ME and u'll get everything.

The ones who still get payment will abandon the ship cause they know soon or later they will become the ones the guy can live without.

If an affiliate makes a sale for you and gets rebillls, how big a burden is that? If he never sends another sale, but his original sale continues to get rebills he is now deadweight and it is time to cut him out?

That's stupid thinking. It's not the whales out there that are making programs money, it's a huge collection of little guys. When we are gone, the programs are gone. Count on it.

I've had companies disable my affiliate account because of whatever reason, most of those are gone now. Common business sense in porn is at a premium. There are not too many mainstream businesses that get to hide behind false names, foreign addresses and all the little dirty tricks that the porn business has up its sleeve. If I get ripped for a few grand, I can't afford a lawyer. Thieves know this so they steal.

No matter what, if you take what is not yours, you are a common thief. A lot of people, apparently, are comfortable with that.

http://www.allsologirls.com/melissamoney.jpg
This is what was on my account at the close of the program.

What you are doing is breaking the rules.

Yes, I think that's the future for many.

It's $15 out of Melissa's pocket.

If it means she can pay her bills, the answer is obvious.

If they make traffic generation in house, why is that. When you close up shop. You will leave the traffic behind. No reason for the program to go.

Because they were generating traffic in house or closing down?
So leave porn and go to work in Mainstream. Is your name and address freely available?

It's not a good, ethic or moral thing to do. Welcome to the porn world.

I'm not saying it's right. I'm saying if the ship is going down, you make sure you get your place on a life raft.

Paul, realize though that if an affiliate sending sales disappears it does not necessarily mean that a given sponsor will get all those surfers. The traffic ends up being distributed more by niche and can easily go to another sponsor within that niche. For example if I got that surfer by being #1 on Google for a given term more than likely after my site falls the #2 person will become #1 and get that surfer. This is especially the case for smaller sponsors where more than the likely that traffic will go to the bigger players. Sponsors don't just give affiliates free money for nothing. There is a reason for the system although it's importance has lessened over the years.

It's not really $15 out of her pocket because that $15 contractually really doesn't belong to her in the first place. Affiliate programs have been getting away with it for years but there is a case for calling it fraud. In theory if an affiliate wanted to really push things they could cause legal trouble. More than likely civil but it isn't unheard of for it to be criminal.

Often the programs who start ripping off affiliates are doing so out of desperation so it isn't unusual for these programs to disappear shortly thereafter. In most cases if they were doing well they wouldn't have to rip off their affiliates.

Will,

I haven't been paid in months. I have been operating the site at a loss as basically charity just to ensure affiliates got paid. My payments at this point would be be very low, inconsequential to what I earn elsewhere - after all, I have told you how many joins the site gets. My payments stopped well before any other affiliates, but - and this may burn some - I know Shane, etc - he is a good person, he simply ran into financial difficulties, and has a family to protect. I haven't even asked for my $. Actually, when I think about it, I am owed the most out of anyone here.

Will - are you an affiliate? Have you read all the posts? Did you see the part where this site does <5 joins per day? 60-70% (or 2-3) of the joins are typein as well. The amount of people who are actually invested in this situation is very, very low, and my guess is you are another person with no skin in this game who wants to chime in and walk in other people's shoes?

We're now over 5000 views, 300+ replies, etc. I guess no matter what, peeople love the drama.

What he's doing is a bit stupid posting excessive amount of photos, of a site that's dead & has annoyed many affiliates....

But we all note the reason, he's posting to flood his sig :2 cents:

Biggy, did you read my posts? DawsonMiller is smaller and has less rebilling members than MelissaMidwest and her site is only getting a few sales a day also and is getting about 3k/month.

Then take into account:

http://www.prettymarie.com/tour1/ (newest)
http://www.melissacamvideos.com/
http://www.foxyjacky.com/
http://www.sweetadri.com/

It is fair to assume the melissamoney network is generating about 5-10k a month. Paying a 10 percent to payment processing, 350 for aff sotware and a couple hundred for the server. How are you operating at a loss? Care to explain?

I know many many websites out there getting less than 5 sales a day, should they stop paying affiliates?

Because I, personally, am paying to operate the site and I don't get paid, so I'm operating it at a loss.

Revenue: $0
Expenses: employees to update the site + outsourced work,

This leaves me in the negative, personally.

I must have misunderstood, I see the paysites still up. So you would still need to work on them, the only difference is that you dont pay affiliates.

I could be wrong about this also but aren't most of those sites inactive? Which are still active if you dont mind me asking

what are you paying to operate the site?

What expenses? servers.

Employees to update the site? What to upload a few pics and vids?

And outsorced work?

Yeah, you understood it as if I am getting the $ lol, and I am not.

None of the sites are active, none of them have been active in years.

can we log in to see our stats please.

Yeah. I pay people to do that. It's not free.

why inactive?

you can still join can you not?

I never understood it as that. I honestly don't care if youre still receiving the money. I care about the affiliates not being paid. And how people are treating affiliates. I understood it as you took down the affiliate program and not the paysites, the paysites generate the money, the affiliate program is for handling affiliate payouts. The only thing you did was cut out payments to affiliates. There is no operating costs of an affiliate program. The costs are in the paysite, especially considering the affiliate program would be on the same server. So it's a matter of 350 a month. So youre telling me that you aren't being paid 350 a month, so you took down the affiliate program. How about taking down the paysites considering they're not paying you? Im just trying to make some sense of this

Seems expensive.

I bet I would do it much cheaper.

Maybe with the extra income she can partner up much better ...

just a thought

why not just simply make the sites ccbill?

that program owe me around $50

Please, keep that money as an act of charity.
it's my pleasure.

It sounds as if you just gave up and gave them your 50 percent. Since when are people in the act of charity, especially to a couple people who have been burning money like crazy, if one of them had a job and with what they made in extra money off these websites, they could be doing rather well for themselves. Not only that, theyre scammers who wouldn't even pay for the affiliate software themselves knowing that'd rip off a ton of affiliates who got their websites to where they are.

Just messed up. You need to pick who you do business with better

It sure it crazy that they can't afford the affiliate software bill when theyre making more than myself and im growing :)

While I no longer really think youre the one at fault here, the fact that you've been sitting here defending the website closing and their actions, as if theyre broke and have no other options. Well it makes you look bad because what theyre doing can only be looked at as one thing, ripping people off. Thats the only real issue i have.

Could be wrong but I think what he's saying is that if they pay the 50% to affiliates they are operating at a loss or not making enough money.

Which is kind of hard to believe personally. Let's say the whole program does 12 new joins a day (conservative considering all the other sites they have).

12 * $30 = $360

Then let us say the program has double that in rebills per day which is reasonable considering how popular it once was.

24 * 30 = $720

That adds up to $1080 a day in revenue. Even if every single sale were affiliate sales that would still leave $540 per day after paying affiliates.

$540 * 30 = $16,200 per month.

12 sales a day too high? Let's just say 7 sales a day then.

7 * 30 = $210 new sales / day
14 * 30 = $420 in rebills / day

$630 / day
$315 / day after paying 50% to affiliates.

$315 * 30 = $9,450 per month After paying affiliates.

Doesn't make sense to me unless about $5,000+ a month isn't enough for them to live on or the numbers are radically different (to many people it isn't but then again they probably have many affiliates who live on a lot less too) . It'd be interesting if Biggy would publish the numbers. At least it would give any affiliates who are actually losing money and upset an explanation. Don't get pissed that the numbers are wrong, Biggy. I'm just trying to come up with something here because the real numbers aren't known.

No no, he's definitely talking about himself, the fact that they (melissa &bf) are making more than enough to pay the bill is quite obvious and I don't think he can truly deny that on a board full of other owners that know what these sites make. What he was saying is that he was still operating it and not receiving any money so he closed down the affiliate program because he was in charge of paying for that. And I guess they aren't planning to either

The network is probably only getting 6-9 a day max, it's the rebilling customers that keep it doing as well as it is.

Yeah, I guess all the $ I made in the past should be ignored, like when she went hardcore.

I guess in her prime, when that site was a CASH MACHINE, and affiliates got paid each and every time, we should ignore that as well. Let's just ignore the entire successful history of that site.

I am very thankful for the run I had with them.